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Let's face it, if we have any shot this season....

Britt in VA : 9/13/2017 3:38 pm
we need to trade a premium package (picks, players, whatever) with a trade partner willing to give us a premium offensive lineman, at this point, I don't care what position on the line, but we just need somebody, ANYBODY/ANYWHERE on the line that is a stud... I don't know who's out there, and I know it's not our M.O., but the time is now. I'm talking a blockbuster.

If we're going to do it, we need to do it right away. Because the re-shuffle is going to take some time to adjust.
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Joe Thomas and Joe Staley  
jlukes : 9/13/2017 3:41 pm : link
are pretty much the only guys I'd give up anything of value for
I'm talking about a young player somewhere....  
Britt in VA : 9/13/2017 3:42 pm : link
Somebody that may be a surprise. It's going to take us probably giving more than we receive, but desperate times call for desperate measures.
It won't happen,  
Thunderstruck27 : 9/13/2017 3:46 pm : link
but I'd trade Apple for either of those guys in a heartbeat.
....  
CoughlinHandsonHips : 9/13/2017 3:46 pm : link
Has there been this kind of trade week 2 in the past? Picks for a premium player. Can't recall one
if that's the only shot we have  
Ron Johnson : 9/13/2017 3:47 pm : link
we have no shot
Trade Eli Apple  
Mr. Nickels : 9/13/2017 3:51 pm : link
and a package of picks for Joe thomas.
The Eagles traded Sam Bradford to the Vikings for a 1st round pick  
Britt in VA : 9/13/2017 3:51 pm : link
Right before week one last year.

The Browns traded Trent Richardson to the Colts for a 1st round pick in 2013 in Week 3.

Not saying those fit our criteria, but big trades do happen occasionally, picks for young premium players.
It seems like before the Browns revamped the Oline in the offseason  
NoGainDayne : 9/13/2017 3:52 pm : link
we could have gotten Joe Thomas last year for a 1st. Could have potentially let us contend last year and this year.

But I completely agree with the OP we have to go for it. I hope it wouldn't take a player and just a 1st round pick at most for next year but we are indeed desperate.

IMO it doesn't even have to be a LT. LT would be better but we could even potentially scheme more around one loose end at T. That being said as many have also written McAdoo hasn't exactly inspired confidence in his scheming abilities.
RE: if that's the only shot we have  
Britt in VA : 9/13/2017 3:53 pm : link
In comment 13597661 Ron Johnson said:
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we have no shot


Well...
To be fair, the guy the traded a 1st round pick for a struggling  
jlukes : 9/13/2017 3:53 pm : link
Trent Richardson is no longer employed
Man,  
AJ23 : 9/13/2017 3:54 pm : link
it's really grim around here.
...  
BleedBlue : 9/13/2017 3:54 pm : link
trade a 2 and 5 for joe thomas....move flowers to right side.

Thomas pugh richburg flowers wheeler

yes...i said wheeler lmao....never know what the kid has until we try him, he flops then we put flowers at RT and have jones, jerry, fluker battle for RG....


this would be a massive improvement imo
Britt  
JonC : 9/13/2017 3:55 pm : link
Those prospects/players of such value rarely shake free. Doesn't compute to double down on a mistake by trading away premium draft picks.
RE: Britt  
Britt in VA : 9/13/2017 4:00 pm : link
In comment 13597679 JonC said:
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Those prospects/players of such value rarely shake free. Doesn't compute to double down on a mistake by trading away premium draft picks.


I know that, but we're desperate. I feel like the offense has hit rock bottom.
And I'm not one to EVER advocate something like this...  
Britt in VA : 9/13/2017 4:01 pm : link
but like I said, desperate times....
The really disturbing thing  
Reb8thVA : 9/13/2017 4:01 pm : link
is next off season when they really have to fix this OL mess. They are potentially looking at replacing 4-5 pieces on the line which won't be easy given the amount of resources invested in the defense and the money OBJ is likely to command. Reese may actually be forced to use more than one premium pick next draft on the OL
Vikings  
geemanfan : 9/13/2017 4:05 pm : link
Pretty much replaced their whole O line in a year and they looked pretty good after 1 game.
Should have drafted Tunsil  
Sean : 9/13/2017 4:07 pm : link
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The GM needs to explore every option  
UberAlias : 9/13/2017 4:07 pm : link
You may not pull the trigger but you had better be working the angles and making the calls. The coach needs to add accountability. Stop making excuses for the unit. Generate competition and put guys on notice. McAdoo is going to lose this team if things don't improve.
I have to say we are acting like fans.....  
BillKo : 9/13/2017 4:11 pm : link
...that is, fanatics!!!!

Honestly, this line needs to be given, at the least, a quarter of season, along with the rest of the offense.

One game doesn't make a season, and I find it hard to believe the offense will be that "offensive" lol......

Continue to play good defense....start to peak. Play solid specials.....and start making play on offense.
RE: To be fair, the guy the traded a 1st round pick for a struggling  
Britt in VA : 9/13/2017 4:11 pm : link
In comment 13597672 jlukes said:
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Trent Richardson is no longer employed


And the guy that put together this offensive line shouldn't be employed much longer if he doesn't fix it.
Britt  
AnnapolisMike : 9/13/2017 4:11 pm : link
Put the knife down and slowly back away. We will let you pick the knife back up at 0-3.
i cannot believe  
BleedBlue : 9/13/2017 4:11 pm : link
we got to this, but i think we are at the point where something drastic needs to happen. make a fucking move to improve the oline and give eli a shot for this year and next....
RE: Should have drafted Tunsil  
Keith : 9/13/2017 4:12 pm : link
In comment 13597708 Sean said:
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Yeah this is looking like the big mistake here. I like Apple, but a bunch of quality CB's have been available since that draft whereas the availability on the line has been scarce.
It's one game.  
geemanfan : 9/13/2017 4:12 pm : link
In 07 going into half time of game 3 the fans had the same over reaction.
RE: To be fair, the guy the traded a 1st round pick for a struggling  
Section331 : 9/13/2017 4:12 pm : link
In comment 13597672 jlukes said:
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Trent Richardson is no longer employed


Oddly enough, neither is the guy who traded a struggling Trent Richardson for a 1st round pick!
I doubt that's the only shot - but if it is  
jcn56 : 9/13/2017 4:13 pm : link
We're boned. The Browns aren't trading Thomas, and the Niners aren't trading Staley.

We're not the only ones who are in need of OL help - these guys are making massive coin all over because of the high demand for OL, interior or exterior. Nobody is just going to hand over a lineman without being paid a king's ransom.
RE: The really disturbing thing  
BillKo : 9/13/2017 4:15 pm : link
In comment 13597696 Reb8thVA said:
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is next off season when they really have to fix this OL mess. They are potentially looking at replacing 4-5 pieces on the line which won't be easy given the amount of resources invested in the defense and the money OBJ is likely to command. Reese may actually be forced to use more than one premium pick next draft on the OL


Which might not be a bad thing.........
Reb  
Bill2 : 9/13/2017 4:19 pm : link
Can you email me? Lost my contact list when I had to swap computers. Thanks
RE: Vikings  
timintey : 9/13/2017 4:30 pm : link
In comment 13597707 geemanfan said:
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Pretty much replaced their whole O line in a year and they looked pretty good after 1 game.

Saw that. That's incredible.
RE: RE: Vikings  
timintey : 9/13/2017 4:34 pm : link
In comment 13597763 timintey said:
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In comment 13597707 geemanfan said:


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Pretty much replaced their whole O line in a year and they looked pretty good after 1 game.


Saw that. That's incredible.

Though, to be honest, having watched him play here in Carolina, Remmers is terrible. Holds every play...
never happening  
micky : 9/13/2017 4:35 pm : link
Giants are happy with ol they got and feel they have continuity and etc. and are the stalwarts to the future success
Meanwhile in Miami , Tunsil looking really good  
DennyInDenville : 9/13/2017 4:36 pm : link
And very very young
They had  
Doomster : 9/13/2017 4:47 pm : link
6 months to make a major move, and you think they will do it now from a position of weakness?

The only major move will be a shuffle of the players they already have...
RE: It's one game.  
Brown Recluse : 9/13/2017 4:49 pm : link
In comment 13597722 geemanfan said:
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In 07 going into half time of game 3 the fans had the same over reaction.


You cannot be serious. That is apples and oranges compared to what we are seeing now. Good lord.
damn Britt  
gidiefor : Mod : 9/13/2017 4:54 pm : link
over-react a little after the first game of the season???

holy bejesus!
RE: Meanwhile in Miami , Tunsil looking really good  
Beer Man : 9/13/2017 4:57 pm : link
In comment 13597778 DennyInDenville said:
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And very very young
Grrrrrrrrr!
.  
Danny Kanell : 9/13/2017 5:15 pm : link
I'm not absolving the OL but IMO, the biggest position improvement we need going forward if we are going to do anything is the QB position. I love Eli as much as the rest of us but he has been absolutely dreadful for a while now and looked even worse than ever Sunday.
Bad idea  
Mike from Ohio : 9/13/2017 5:23 pm : link
But fortunately it won't happen, so no need to discuss it.
RE: The GM needs to explore every option  
HomerJones45 : 9/13/2017 5:48 pm : link
In comment 13597710 UberAlias said:
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You may not pull the trigger but you had better be working the angles and making the calls. The coach needs to add accountability. Stop making excuses for the unit. Generate competition and put guys on notice. McAdoo is going to lose this team if things don't improve.
Including finding a new job.
Giants need  
WillVAB : 9/13/2017 5:51 pm : link
The next Snee and McKenzie on the right side in the worst way. One upgrade won't fix the problem.

Diehl wasn't the best LT in the league. The left side of that line was good but they weren't perfect. But having Snee/McKenzie handle their business on the right side allowed the coaches to help the left with TEs/RBs/FBs.

That's the most concerning aspect right now. The breakdowns are happening across the board. Hart is getting shoved on his ass one play. Jerry's feet get stuck in a drain pipe the next. Flowers gets blown by the next. Pugh/Richberg get pushed into Eli's face the next.

The Giants need two bonafide studs on the left or right side that they can put on an island and forget about.
It is very...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/13/2017 5:53 pm : link
myoptic to think any one move makes a team an instant contender.

Teams - even mediocre ones, can make the postseason and go far or win it all if they:
1) Stay Healthy
2) Come together at the end of the year
3) Have luck/talent in causing a positive turnover differential

For the most part, this has been the formula of a winning team. Getting off to a good start, while helpful, is hardly indicative of success. One just need to look at the Vikings of last year - a team many wanted to emulate - to see one that can fail, even after a good start.

Fixing the OL assures nothing, nor does not fixing it assure anything, either.
While i agree,  
prdave73 : 9/13/2017 5:54 pm : link
I just don't see it happening.. We have a GM who prideful and knows he failed miserably with Flowers and the Oline, and to make things worse we have a HC who doesn't know what the fuck his doing. This Org to be honest is starting to scare me. They seem to be to loyal for their own good..
Honestly..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/13/2017 5:58 pm : link
how the fuck does anyone post this??

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We have a GM who prideful and knows he failed miserably with Flowers and the Oline, and to make things worse we have a HC who doesn't know what the fuck his doing


I know prdave has been an epic moron for years, but saying a 2 time SB GM is too prideful or that a coach who went to the playoffs his first and only year doesn't know what the fuck he's doing - it is just reactionary bullshit.

It has been one fucking game - on the road without our best player.

I hope some of you fuckwads are going to stand up and admit moronic posts after the fact - I know prdave won't because he's been saying the same stupid stuff for years through 2 SB wins and success.
I agree that we need a MASSIVE infusion of talent  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/13/2017 6:00 pm : link
on the OLine. For anyone who was proclaiming that 'continuity' with this OLine would make them improve; well, we've yet to see it, even against an average at best defense.
Say what you want to say,  
prdave73 : 9/13/2017 6:02 pm : link
I could give a rats ass. Its my opinion. At least I stick to what say and not change like most here.
No problem..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/13/2017 6:03 pm : link
at least you admit that you double and triple down on being a moron.

Fantastic!!
Fatman,  
prdave73 : 9/13/2017 6:07 pm : link
quick question, why hasn't he remedied the Oline situation then?? Why does he continue to ignore what we and everyone else know is a huge problem. This Giant's Oline right is probably the worst Oline in the entire NFl. Heck our starters are probably not even backups on other teams. So?
There is NO TEAM...  
Triple "G" : 9/13/2017 6:13 pm : link
Out there that is going to trade their Starting LT to any other team at this point in the season. first off if a GM did that they would be Fired and their NFL Career would be over. No team would hire that guy as a GM ever again.

You are saying that a GM in this league would risk his families future and his career to make that trade? Now any other position Besides a Franchise QB is on the table for the right price. LT and QB Starters that is pretty much death to the GM that makes that trade in week 2 of the season

It will never happen
RE: Should have drafted Tunsil  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/13/2017 6:13 pm : link
In comment 13597708 Sean said:
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Super helpful. Why don't you get cracking on inventing a time machine so we can rectify this terrible wrong? Until then, why not focus on what they CAN do going forward instead of what they should have done?
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