First off I do think Eli is a good qb , and has about 4-5 more good years in him. I don't think there is a reason to abandon him just yet. Give him time...
With that being the case I do notice , when the Giants are being overmatched , and are losing , like what happened in Dallas.
The pressure starts to get in Eli's head , and he begins to start pressing. He panics.
For instance he missed Brandon Marshall at least two times where the ball was either way behind him , or he flat out missed him in the flat when Brandon had no one around him.
Last Sunday night against Dallas , that was a playoff caliber game , and what it showed is we are not at that caliber just yet , lets give it time and see where we are about 8 games into this....
(Hopefully)
But to your point, his challenge is a mental one right now - his strengths when at his best were making the right reads, handling pressure, and making clutch throws. Seeing none of that right now.
Will always be an Eli fan, but he's got to find a way to get his mojo back
Also slowed the first and goal with Marshall one on one . Even with the pressure there was plenty of time to throw back shoulder or fade.
I don't mean to disagree with you , but where have you seen Eli lose arm strength? I mean he's still making all of the throws , he even overthrew marshall on a deep pattern , i'm not seeing it?
If anything , he's in his head right now , he just needs to relax and not be skittish in the pocket and things will flow again for him
This is correct, cris Collinsworth said this during the broadcast, BM was doubled.
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it is easy to see Eli has lost arm strength, I love what Eli has done for the Giants and us Giants fans, I hate to see him end up like a used up Kurt Warner or Brett Favre.
I don't mean to disagree with you , but where have you seen Eli lose arm strength? I mean he's still making all of the throws , he even overthrew marshall on a deep pattern , i'm not seeing it?
If anything , he's in his head right now , he just needs to relax and not be skittish in the pocket and things will flow again for him
Overthrowing a deep ball is poor evidence of arm strength. If anything, it can also be evidence of arm strength starting to slip - rather than being able to get the ball out there easy to where you want it, you have to heave it and lose any touch at all on the ball.
The reality is this - Eli is 36. 36-year-old QBs tend to be in physical decline. There really isn't any evidence to suggest that Eli is an outlier in this regard.
We have no way to assess whether his skills are deteriorating. How the fuck would we know?
He's a pocket passer. He hasn't had a line that supports his strengths since fucking 2012. The FO has had five fucking years to deal with this . They haven't. This is the result.
Stop whining that he's something that he's not. It's clear that he cannot be successful behind this line. We'll never know whether his final act would have been better.
NO QB is going to be accurate when everytime he drops back within 1 sec he has a defender so close to him he can smell his breath. The whole problem with Eli is his lack of protection, he doesn't even have time to set his feet. The receivers don't have time to run their routes either, that can be another reason for the so called bad passes, eli is throwing to a spot on the field. Now eli isn't perfect either but he isn't half as bad as some of you are making him out to be either.
Fix the O-line and that will fix Eli
I watch the all-22 of every game. I've noticed many times where our receivers have a step on a 9 route or deep and have to come back (slightly) for the ball. Even in those circumstances you have to look at Eli's position when throwing the ball to make any kind of judgement because if he can't step into his throw or finish it's going to be off-target and probably short.
I'm on the fence about Eli's arm strength, have read many people claiming it's down, but haven't become convinced either way yet. I keep looking for evidence and haven't yet seen it conclusively.
It is clear that he's taking fewer shots downfield though. I think a lot of that is due to the philosophy of the offense though - better to take what the defense is giving you (soft coverage - guys open underneath) than due to a lack of confidence in his arm.
How is that different from any other QB? People make it sound like Eli is the only one who has trouble with no OL.
How is the GOAT, Tom Brady, any different?
He does change his game in the face of pressure. More checkdowns and quick releases. But its to avoid a sack, not the hit. Theres a difference.
Also slowed the first and goal with Marshall one on one . Even with the pressure there was plenty of time to throw back shoulder or fade.
Did Raanan know where Marshall was in Eli's progression? Was he primary, secondary? That is why this type of analysis is useless. If Eli is going through his progressions, there is no way in hell he can get to even his 3rd read given how bad the OL is.
And Carl Banks said that has been Eli's MO since he's been in the league, which we all know is bullshit. Eli has had numerous games where he took a pounding and kept coming back. One only has to rewatch the NFCC game in SF to see that.
Banks was a great player, but he is a horseshit analyst, and he always has been. Bob Papa is terrific, but Banks sucks.
That's why he got sacked.
Uncork the back shoulder throw! We go out and sign a 6'4" red zone target and Eli pulls the ball down like it's Sinorice Moss. It's unreal how bad this guy is playing. I'll bet Reese threw the remote after that play.
Eli talked about it in his post-game presser. He talked about looking at Marshall and the safety following his eyes and he knew that meant that Engram would be coming wide open, so he went there.
Marshall was his first read, and the judgement of Eli was that there would be an easier touchdown to Engram. Turned out he didn't have the time to be proven correct though.
With his thought process explained this is the wrong play to make an example of him being rattled or skittish under pressure. Quite the opposite, in fact. He was cool, thinking only about what was best to do with the ball, confident about his pass protection.
Players who are skittish throw that ball to Marshall every time.
me realistically he probably has 2-3 good years left in him .
He has intangibles size his health takes care of his body
sufficient arm strength . Smarts he knows the game .
Never been a great touch passer he actually struggles with what he is now asked to do and sometimes forced to do . He does have pocket presence but he is not a scrambler he's not gonna have any designed runs .
He need's a decent run game this O-line had 21 games last year and the run game never materialized and the pass protection constantly broke down .
O-line and a stud RB is what we needed the defense would have still been good enough without spending a #2 on a DT
We could have garnered extra picks and still took Cam Johnson and instead of Thomlimson we could have taken Dion Dawkins . I don't know where they had the RB's Rated but at #3 Kareem Hunt and Donte Foremen both sitting there now I get the Chiefs took him right before us but using picks in a year your poised to make a run on players at picks 3 and 4 are not even suiting up as well as the only FA O-lineman we brought in also a healthy scratch .
Sure maybe they will right the ship and were gonna find out
Monday Night if this was just another bad game for Eli and the offensive line is gonna play a near perfect game .
We shall see as of right now were starring 0-3 right in the face .
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He said he looked at him and the safety started rolling that way. This left his second option Engram, wide open in the middle. Eli was going back to Engram when 3 Dallas DL crushed him because our OL sucks. Given 2 more seconds he had Engram open instead of a jump ball to Marshall.
This is correct, cris Collinsworth said this during the broadcast, BM was doubled.
I see now Eli's thought process...which was a good one. Rather than go for a low percentage jump ball to Marshall, wait for Engram to get open for an easier score on probably a LB.
Having said that, BM wasn't doubled. The coverage may have been rolling that way, but by the time that ball got there I don't think the safety is a factor.
OL lets Eli down once again. Good read by Eli.
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The league knows if you hit Eli early, he won t recover
And Carl Banks said that has been Eli's MO since he's been in the league, which we all know is bullshit. Eli has had numerous games where he took a pounding and kept coming back. One only has to rewatch the NFCC game in SF to see that.
Banks was a great player, but he is a horseshit analyst, and he always has been. Bob Papa is terrific, but Banks sucks.
Yeah, I listen to Carl on the post game driving home from games and he really is the master of the obvious....no real insight.
Saw some last year as well but not everybody wants to admit it.