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Jerry Reese...meet Marc Bergevin...

Thatís Gold, Jerry : 9/13/2017 6:37 pm
Marc Bergevin was hired as the General Manager of the Montreal Canadiens in May, 2012. I draw this comparison because the Canadiens' major problem in 2012, just like the Giants major issue-the offensive line, have been similarly left unaddressed since that time.

The Habs biggest issue has been the lack of a no. 1 centre. In fact, I would argue they don't even have a no. 2 centre. Bergevin has done virtually nothing to address that situation. In fact, many times, and publicly, he has said it is too hard to make such a trade even though other teams have done so or too expensive to sign a free agent. At this writing, the Canadiens no. 1 centre is Philip Danault...no one's idea of a no. 1 centre.

At the same time, the Giants have had offensive line problems during this period and one could argue Reese has not done nearly enough to fix that situation. In fact, at this writing, I would say only one of the top 3 picks Reese spent on the offensive line have worked out. And that is Justin Pugh. Richburg has gone backward, did not have a good game Sunday and, of course, we are well aware of the issues surrounding no. 74. In addition, the best FA addition has been John Jerry. 'Nuff said

In both cases, we have examples of two very stubborn ownerships and two equally stubborn GMs who refuse to believe their work has been inadequate. To me, the comparison is very timely. In fact, if you remove the big FA spending spree last year, what kind of shape would you think the Giants would be in based on Reese's drafting and the player development of this team?

At the same time, as Bergevin moves into his sixth year as GM, there is only one player on the Habs' current roster who is a draft pick of Bergevin...Brendan Gallagher.

I continue to be amazed that these two men have these high paying jobs.
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BrettNYG10 : 9/13/2017 6:43 pm : link
Your points about the Habs are a bit inaccurate - Drouin is slated to be a center and he is a first line offensive talent.

Reese is coming off of a successful 11-5 year that was largely due to hitting home runs in free agencies. Let's let the season play out.
I'm no hockey expert, but I'm a google wizard.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 9/13/2017 6:48 pm : link
How many championships has Marc Bergevin won as a GM? If the answer is zero, what's the point of comparing these two men, especially in light of your final sentence?

I'm not saying Reese is beyond criticism, but the comparison is poor to say the least.
It's stupid  
PaulN : 9/13/2017 6:52 pm : link
To draw any conclusions until the season is completed. For example, if the offensive line is sub par again this season and despite that fact the Giants win a Super Bowl, who then gives a shit about the bad offensive line. I agree, Reese has done nothing good to the offensive line since he got here and it could be argued that the great offensive line he inherited is the reason they got away with his sins in the early part of his tenure. Pugh and Richburg are his gems and they are average players, he has been horrific if you focus on the offensive line alone. But that is not how to fairly evaluate Reese. So again, we need to see how the season goes.
That's quite an ivory tower you have there  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/13/2017 7:01 pm : link
from which you cast stones at a person who has reached the pinnacle of his profession twice.

I'm sure you'd be George Young if only someone in the NFL recognized your expertise and gave you a shot.
The major..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/13/2017 7:02 pm : link
void in logic in these situations is twofold:

1) Management believes the talent on the team is poor
2) Management believes the GM is the reason the team isn't winning it all

Put those two points aside, and I'm not sure that management should believe that Reese can't win another SB. I mean people revere parcells around here, yet once he left he didn't win another SB and didn't go particularly deep in the playoffs.

Does that make Parcells a hack?
Drouin is NOT a center...never  
Thatís Gold, Jerry : 9/13/2017 7:06 pm : link
has been...played very little center in junior and did not play center for Tampa Bay. Yes, Habs are going to try him at center in training camp but that is because they have no one else
If they fired Reese, he'd be unemployed for about 5 minutes  
JohnB : 9/13/2017 7:51 pm : link
Name me the NFL teams that were rather have their record of success during Reese tenure and the one they have now. The Pats for sure. The Steelers, the Seahawks and Packers maybe. Other than that, everyone else would LOVE to have Reese and his track record. And you want him fired??? Damn.

Wake up people.
Started off moronic  
jcn56 : 9/13/2017 7:56 pm : link
and then took a turn for the worse.
Who the hell is  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/13/2017 7:59 pm : link
Marc Bergevin?
Actually, as a Canadiens fan  
kevken60 : 9/13/2017 8:02 pm : link
...and living 5 miles from the border, I get a lot of Habs news & the concensus is that Drouin was a pretty good center (centre?) in juniors.
RE: The major..  
chuckydee9 : 9/13/2017 8:36 pm : link
In comment 13597986 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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void in logic in these situations is twofold:

1) Management believes the talent on the team is poor
2) Management believes the GM is the reason the team isn't winning it all

Put those two points aside, and I'm not sure that management should believe that Reese can't win another SB. I mean people revere parcells around here, yet once he left he didn't win another SB and didn't go particularly deep in the playoffs.

Does that make Parcells a hack?

Parcells made it to the SB? how much deeper in the playoffs did he have to go?
I wonder if Flowers  
mack809f : 9/13/2017 10:00 pm : link
can skate
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mattlawson : 9/13/2017 10:21 pm : link
This is a terrible thread and terrible comparison  
pjcas18 : 9/13/2017 10:36 pm : link
for one thing in hockey you are drafting 17 and 18 year old kids. The NHL draft is far more of a crapshoot than football and most players outside of the top 10 and more outside of the first round are expected to take years to develop. It's the extreme anomaly that are ready out of the gate and a rarity to even find players available within a couple years.

Second, Bergevin has more than just Gallagher, since Bergevin was in Chicago when Gallagher was drafted.

he was GM for Galchenyuk (a 30 goal scorer as a 21 year old), Lehkonen, a legit two way top 6 forward, and many of Bergevin's other picks are just now reaching 22 - 23 years old. Many still 21 or under.

Additionally Bergevin traded a drafted player to get Drouin.

Lastly, there are about 15 #1 centers in the entire league. You don't just say I'm going to draft or sign a 1C, it's like saying we need a franchise QB in the NFL, we need to "just get one". Ask the Bill, Jets, Dolphins, Browns, 49ers, Jaguars, Redskins, and other teams how that works.
RE: RE: The major..  
Carson53 : 9/14/2017 12:17 pm : link
In comment 13598086 chuckydee9 said:
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In comment 13597986 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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void in logic in these situations is twofold:

1) Management believes the talent on the team is poor
2) Management believes the GM is the reason the team isn't winning it all

Put those two points aside, and I'm not sure that management should believe that Reese can't win another SB. I mean people revere parcells around here, yet once he left he didn't win another SB and didn't go particularly deep in the playoffs.

Does that make Parcells a hack?


Parcells made it to the SB? how much deeper in the playoffs did he have to go?
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He also made it to the AFC championship game with the Jets,
with Testaverde as the QB.
Silly comparison  
Greg from LI : 9/14/2017 12:22 pm : link
Finding a true #1 center is pretty damned hard. There are what, maybe ten of those guys in the entire league? Putting together a functional OL shouldn't be nearly as difficult.
Also...  
Carson53 : 9/14/2017 12:28 pm : link
You are talking about an organization in the Habs,
who regularly replace GM's and coaches....with an organization like the Giants, who rarely do. I would say,
A)not the best of analogies, and
B)in general, not really a good idea to compare different sports. It just doesn't work well, like oil & water.

I mean I am a B's fan, the coach gets fired in
mid-season last year.
A week later he is hired by the Habs, that crap wouldn't happen with the Giants as a case in point.
"left unaddressed"?  
lugnut : 9/14/2017 6:16 pm : link
Our OL has been addressed plenty. It hasn't been addressed effectively, with good results, though -- there's a big difference.

Anyone bashing Reese for "not addressing" the OL is much better off questioning (1) our OL talent evaluation, and/or (2) our OL coaching -- those seem to be the real problems.
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