They've been raping season ticket holders for years - exorbitant tickets prices, seat licenses, charging full price for preseason, outrageous parking fees, the hassle of getting into stadiums (not their fault, but still...). That, combined with the quality of TV's pictures, it's a wonder anyone goes.
Apparently, that side of the field you see there has gotten many complaints since the opening of the stadium about the intense heat that has fans basically sitting in the sun with nowhere to escape during early season afternoon games.
The opposite side of the field (where the picture originates from) is shaded from the sun, so they have no issues. It appears the 49ers never considered this possibility when they built their stadium in Santa Clara.
49ers acknowledge it, but don't have a solution yet because it can cost as low as $100 million to create some kind of shading. For now, they are offering fans in those area free water and such.
If you are going to the Giants game in November out there, be advised not to buy seats on that side of the field unless you want to bake.
The quality of football has been in decline since the lockout year of 2011. It only makes sense that the attendance would follow, especially when you factor in the cost of going to a game.
I grew up going to Giants games. My grandfather fist purchased season tickets in Old Yankee Stadium. I held onto them through 2009, but was not willing to take out a 420,000 loan just for the right to receive a $5,000 bill every year to tickets. I love football, and I miss going to games, that that is pure insanity!
I still follow the Giants closely, but I do not follow the rest of the league as much as I used to. I rarely watch prime time games unless the Giants are one of the teams. The product is nowhere good as it once was, and I enjoy it less. I would not pay the prices they are asking to go to a Giants game today, and I never thought that would ever be possible.
HDTV, the financial sodomy of the average fan and, to be fair, a fanbase that has to travel nearly 40 miles to go see a 3-13 team when they can wait another month and watch the world champion Warriors secure another title.
NFL shouldn't care too much. They make most of their money from broadcast deals.
Apparently, that side of the field you see there has gotten many complaints since the opening of the stadium about the intense heat that has fans basically sitting in the sun with nowhere to escape during early season afternoon games.
The opposite side of the field (where the picture originates from) is shaded from the sun, so they have no issues. It appears the 49ers never considered this possibility when they built their stadium in Santa Clara.
49ers acknowledge it, but don't have a solution yet because it can cost as low as $100 million to create some kind of shading. For now, they are offering fans in those area free water and such.
If you are going to the Giants game in November out there, be advised not to buy seats on that side of the field unless you want to bake.
Its more than that - the sun apparently hits all of the luxury boxes and reflects back upon those seats that are empty. So the fans get hit by the sun 2x. Nightmare.
The quality of football has been in decline since the lockout year of 2011. It only makes sense that the attendance would follow, especially when you factor in the cost of going to a game.
I grew up going to Giants games. My grandfather fist purchased season tickets in Old Yankee Stadium. I held onto them through 2009, but was not willing to take out a 420,000 loan just for the right to receive a $5,000 bill every year to tickets. I love football, and I miss going to games, that that is pure insanity!
I still follow the Giants closely, but I do not follow the rest of the league as much as I used to. I rarely watch prime time games unless the Giants are one of the teams. The product is nowhere good as it once was, and I enjoy it less. I would not pay the prices they are asking to go to a Giants game today, and I never thought that would ever be possible.
This. While I didn't grow up going to Giants games, my wife did. Her dad had tickets going back to the Colts championship game in the '50's, but we gave up our tickets when the new stadium was opening. Seat license or college tuition? Wasn't much of a choice. While there are a handful of games I'd love to be at, overall, I don't miss it. Your whole Sunday is shot, and that's if it's an afternoon game. Throw in Sunday or Monday night games, when you get home after midnight having to get up for work the next day.
The NFL has catered to corporate sponsors and high-end season ticket holders at the expense of the blue collar fans. Buyer beware.
it's the start of the second half, like MetLife, fans are still in lines for bathrooms and/or concessions etc, or heading home to beat the traffic..like MetLife 😁
HDTV, the financial sodomy of the average fan and, to be fair, a fanbase that has to travel nearly 40 miles to go see a 3-13 team when they can wait another month and watch the world champion Warriors secure another title.
NFL shouldn't care too much. They make most of their money from broadcast deals.
You are correct - they could play these games in a TV studio in front of no one and get rich.
I have coached kids for years and I find fewer and fewer of them are developing into fans. They have so many options that sitting in front of the TV with dad is no longer a big deal. At the same time the dads are running all over and not watching as much either.
Finally I think the Sunday bar scene has cut into it too. People can spend their day with friends, spend half the money and be home at a reasonable time.
Concerned about attendance, yet they move 2 teams to LA
THAT low for the season opener is just crazy. Even if double that number are in line for a beer that is still ridiculously low.
A couple of things..
1. I think San Fran has also become a transient market. Lots of non- 49er fans or non NFL fans moved in.
2. Agree with what others have said about cost. The economy is in the shitter despite what we have been hearing from the talking heads. By this I am referring to what has happened to people's disposable income. Not by the convenient stats that the politicians like to use as a measuring stick.
3. Agree with what others have said about the quality of the TV broadcast
4. I think people are soured on the NFL and all of the bullshit. We are hard core fans and we would probably continue to watch and support no matter what. The same cannot be said for the casual fan.
On a personal note, I purchased the PSLs when the new stadium opened. Really because the tickets started with my father in 1948 and then eventually the season subscription passed on to me. My father has been gone since 2002 and I bit the bullet and paid the $$ so that the tradition could continue. Not only do I have a son but I did not want to lose the best thing that my father and I had together. The Giants was our common interest. Fast forward a few years since the new stadium... my son has no interest at all and I think the entertainment value just is not there. I am seriously considering selling my PSLs.
They are altering the game to chase the dollars. Fantasy football, stadium location, et cetera.
The game generates the dollars. Focus on the making the game great, the dollars will come. But this pinball football we see now isn't what made the game great.
Pandering to fantasy football is a huge mistake.
When the new stadium was built, I gave myself a choice
PSLs, or a boat. Both money pissed out the window for entertainment, neither one of them could be confused with an actual investment no matter how hard the sales pitch tried to work otherwise with the PSLs (and despite all of the documentation repeating over and over that there was no guarantee of a rise in value).
Went the boat route. Oddly enough - despite that also being an area where everything associated with it is a ripoff, I never felt like I was being gouged quite as badly as when I attend a sporting event. Ridiculous ticket prices. Ridiculous parking prices. Obscene concession prices. And while the product on the field continues to diminish in quality, the costs continue to rise. Add in the ability to watch from much better angles in the leisure of my own home, with reasonably priced good food - and it's a no-brainer.
I do occasionally go to the games because I feel for the kids - but it goes beyond being able to afford it. I can't support greed of that variety. Sometimes, it's enough to make me want to cut my cable because I've had it with how over the top these greedy fucks have become. The shenanigans with Oakland and SD and their stadium situations were almost Monty Burns level greed.
....mostly dog games, with a few good matchups sprinkled in. There are a lot of average to bad football teams.
Look at tonight......again, two teams with zero appeal. I usually watch EVERY game on TV. I've been passing on Thursday night games over the last couple seasons.
RE: I'm curious to see the Giants crowd for Monday.
There are a lot of tickets still available. All of the season ticket holders I know are trying to unload their tickets.
It will not be too crowded; I am a season ticket holder and a number of guys I tailgate with have extras. Sunday and Monday Night games are a pain in the ass to go to especially with school just starting up again - is it that hard for the league to simply schedule us at 1pm early on-in the season (especially when the possibility of being flexed exists later on down the road if we end up being good).
As a side note - I sit in the Mezz and given the lack of interest/empty seats down in the club section, I contacted the Giants just to see if I could move into the club section. They offered no PSL discount or ticket discount, despite having quite a bit of inventory (and the fact that the stadium is now 7 years old - so the PSL holds less value than it did in 2010). Laughable.
it's the start of the second half, like MetLife, fans are still in lines for bathrooms and/or concessions etc, or heading home to beat the traffic..like MetLife 😁
From my years as a season ticket holder (well, going with my dad who is a season ticket holder), I can say it's never been THAT bad as pictured above.
That blows my mind I have not been to a game in a hell of a
long time . I can't remember I think the last game I went to
was a pre-season game we played the Bills coming off the super bowl win against them . They handed out some pins with the roman numerals for the game .
It was a blast everyone got on Jim Kelley and Norwood it was brutal . Tickets were free think I saw a game down in Philly watching LT chase Cunningham all over the place ended like
one play into OT Toast Patterson with a pick six to end the game . Prices were like $35 bucks , Forget it now can't justify the money anymore .
RE: RE: I'm curious to see the Giants crowd for Monday.
There are a lot of tickets still available. All of the season ticket holders I know are trying to unload their tickets.
It will not be too crowded; I am a season ticket holder and a number of guys I tailgate with have extras. Sunday and Monday Night games are a pain in the ass to go to especially with school just starting up again - is it that hard for the league to simply schedule us at 1pm early on-in the season (especially when the possibility of being flexed exists later on down the road if we end up being good).
As a side note - I sit in the Mezz and given the lack of interest/empty seats down in the club section, I contacted the Giants just to see if I could move into the club section. They offered no PSL discount or ticket discount, despite having quite a bit of inventory (and the fact that the stadium is now 7 years old - so the PSL holds less value than it did in 2010). Laughable.
I sit in the Mezz too and ticketexchange is filled with tickets at face value in the mezz. Which means the holders are listing them at below face value.
I'd love to go, and my job is flexible enough to make it work, but the problem is that I can no longer find other people to go. Usually it involves me trying to convince people by offering to pick them up. Which means I'm driving all over NJ to drop people off after the game. Last MNF game I went to, I didn't get home till 3am. Its just a pain.
either 1 Sunday Night game or 1 Monday Night game.
It's a very get-off-my-lawn-ish position, but if they want crowds in the stands (except for the cities where there is little interest - LA, Santa Clara), that's a first step. Ticket prices and psls are a whole other story.
Of course, it will never happen with tv revenue. It's pretty disheartening though, that, as a season ticket holder, when you see the schedule come out you realize the first 1pm Sunday home game is not until October 8 and there are a grand total of two (2!) Sunday afternoon home games before November. It's horseshit.
I wonder how different it would look had the photo been taken...
when he wondered if the powers were killing the golden goose. The cost is outrageous when the HDTV experience at home is virtually zero.
Only way for fans to win is to stay the hell home and/or don't pay for PSLs. I go to 3-4 games every year...I would gladly stop going it it made a difference but I would never pay for the PSL charge and never will.
Stay home people. You want the NFL to come close to mirroring the NHL? This shit needs to stop.
RE: When the new stadium was built, I gave myself a choice
PSLs, or a boat. Both money pissed out the window for entertainment, neither one of them could be confused with an actual investment no matter how hard the sales pitch tried to work otherwise with the PSLs (and despite all of the documentation repeating over and over that there was no guarantee of a rise in value).
Went the boat route. Oddly enough - despite that also being an area where everything associated with it is a ripoff, I never felt like I was being gouged quite as badly as when I attend a sporting event. Ridiculous ticket prices. Ridiculous parking prices. Obscene concession prices. And while the product on the field continues to diminish in quality, the costs continue to rise. Add in the ability to watch from much better angles in the leisure of my own home, with reasonably priced good food - and it's a no-brainer.
I do occasionally go to the games because I feel for the kids - but it goes beyond being able to afford it. I can't support greed of that variety. Sometimes, it's enough to make me want to cut my cable because I've had it with how over the top these greedy fucks have become. The shenanigans with Oakland and SD and their stadium situations were almost Monty Burns level greed.
I too gave up my tickets when the new stadium was built and PSL's were implemented. I had two kids in college and simply could not rationalize the expense anymore. I bought a 70" HDTV, converted my basement from playroom to Giants viewing room and I could not be happier with my decision. Additionally, I no longer live in NYC so driving to and from nationally televised night games was getting me home around 2AM. Just got tired of it.
RE: I'm curious to see the Giants crowd for Monday.
I am going to the game monday. And I am not really looking forward to it at all. When the game starts I will be riveted but the prospects of getting there during rush hour and getting to bed at close to 2 a.m. don't excite me. I split the games with my father in law--we try to give each other an even amount of 1pm or day games. They are few and far between and the ones that do exist are subject to flex rules. So go ahead and flext that fucking new years eve game and see how my wife likes it when I tell her I may not be home when the ball drops. Good luck with that.
The more I think about it the more I think it's getting close to the time where I stop splitting the season tix. I can sure as fuck use that money on better things...I love going...I love tailgating and when the Giants are winning a big December game there's no where I'd want to be, but it's really not worth it anymore.
I may float the idea this Monday...something tells me my friend won't object and I know my Father in Law won't care. He would sell them all.
RE: Concerned about attendance, yet they move 2 teams to LA
A city which has shown numerous times it can' support even on team.
More quick fix horse shit. Take the quick dollar and let the scumbag titans of industry out there grease just the right palms...rinse...repeat.
IT's sad. There's NO reason why these scumbag owners should be holding these cities hostage like they are. I blame them all...every single one of them. Mara didn't move the team? Yippeeee....they still took the fucking money with the PSL crap. Shame on all of them. I get why Mara did it...they need to compete financially...but shame on every last one of them. One day it will fall. It always does.
RE: RE: I'm curious to see the Giants crowd for Monday.
The Rams are playing in a temporary stadium i a town that's lost multiple teams in the past. No crowd is not a surprise for them either.
The opposite side of the field (where the picture originates from) is shaded from the sun, so they have no issues. It appears the 49ers never considered this possibility when they built their stadium in Santa Clara.
49ers acknowledge it, but don't have a solution yet because it can cost as low as $100 million to create some kind of shading. For now, they are offering fans in those area free water and such.
If you are going to the Giants game in November out there, be advised not to buy seats on that side of the field unless you want to bake.
I grew up going to Giants games. My grandfather fist purchased season tickets in Old Yankee Stadium. I held onto them through 2009, but was not willing to take out a 420,000 loan just for the right to receive a $5,000 bill every year to tickets. I love football, and I miss going to games, that that is pure insanity!
I still follow the Giants closely, but I do not follow the rest of the league as much as I used to. I rarely watch prime time games unless the Giants are one of the teams. The product is nowhere good as it once was, and I enjoy it less. I would not pay the prices they are asking to go to a Giants game today, and I never thought that would ever be possible.
It only felt like $420,000!
price it for the fans, not the corporate boxes
"Down in front!"
NFL shouldn't care too much. They make most of their money from broadcast deals.
The opposite side of the field (where the picture originates from) is shaded from the sun, so they have no issues. It appears the 49ers never considered this possibility when they built their stadium in Santa Clara.
49ers acknowledge it, but don't have a solution yet because it can cost as low as $100 million to create some kind of shading. For now, they are offering fans in those area free water and such.
If you are going to the Giants game in November out there, be advised not to buy seats on that side of the field unless you want to bake.
Its more than that - the sun apparently hits all of the luxury boxes and reflects back upon those seats that are empty. So the fans get hit by the sun 2x. Nightmare.
(Its still prob a better stadium than MetLife...)
I grew up going to Giants games. My grandfather fist purchased season tickets in Old Yankee Stadium. I held onto them through 2009, but was not willing to take out a 420,000 loan just for the right to receive a $5,000 bill every year to tickets. I love football, and I miss going to games, that that is pure insanity!
I still follow the Giants closely, but I do not follow the rest of the league as much as I used to. I rarely watch prime time games unless the Giants are one of the teams. The product is nowhere good as it once was, and I enjoy it less. I would not pay the prices they are asking to go to a Giants game today, and I never thought that would ever be possible.
This. While I didn't grow up going to Giants games, my wife did. Her dad had tickets going back to the Colts championship game in the '50's, but we gave up our tickets when the new stadium was opening. Seat license or college tuition? Wasn't much of a choice. While there are a handful of games I'd love to be at, overall, I don't miss it. Your whole Sunday is shot, and that's if it's an afternoon game. Throw in Sunday or Monday night games, when you get home after midnight having to get up for work the next day.
The NFL has catered to corporate sponsors and high-end season ticket holders at the expense of the blue collar fans. Buyer beware.
My only hope is to get tickets as part of a prize or something. I am not spending that amount of money on a 4 hour game when HD at home is better.
College games are fun though, just saw Rutgers get their ass beat by EM for like a total of $80....good seats too
NFL shouldn't care too much. They make most of their money from broadcast deals.
You are correct - they could play these games in a TV studio in front of no one and get rich.
I have coached kids for years and I find fewer and fewer of them are developing into fans. They have so many options that sitting in front of the TV with dad is no longer a big deal. At the same time the dads are running all over and not watching as much either.
Finally I think the Sunday bar scene has cut into it too. People can spend their day with friends, spend half the money and be home at a reasonable time.
A couple of things..
1. I think San Fran has also become a transient market. Lots of non- 49er fans or non NFL fans moved in.
2. Agree with what others have said about cost. The economy is in the shitter despite what we have been hearing from the talking heads. By this I am referring to what has happened to people's disposable income. Not by the convenient stats that the politicians like to use as a measuring stick.
3. Agree with what others have said about the quality of the TV broadcast
4. I think people are soured on the NFL and all of the bullshit. We are hard core fans and we would probably continue to watch and support no matter what. The same cannot be said for the casual fan.
On a personal note, I purchased the PSLs when the new stadium opened. Really because the tickets started with my father in 1948 and then eventually the season subscription passed on to me. My father has been gone since 2002 and I bit the bullet and paid the $$ so that the tradition could continue. Not only do I have a son but I did not want to lose the best thing that my father and I had together. The Giants was our common interest. Fast forward a few years since the new stadium... my son has no interest at all and I think the entertainment value just is not there. I am seriously considering selling my PSLs.
They are altering the game to chase the dollars. Fantasy football, stadium location, et cetera.
The game generates the dollars. Focus on the making the game great, the dollars will come. But this pinball football we see now isn't what made the game great.
Pandering to fantasy football is a huge mistake.
Went the boat route. Oddly enough - despite that also being an area where everything associated with it is a ripoff, I never felt like I was being gouged quite as badly as when I attend a sporting event. Ridiculous ticket prices. Ridiculous parking prices. Obscene concession prices. And while the product on the field continues to diminish in quality, the costs continue to rise. Add in the ability to watch from much better angles in the leisure of my own home, with reasonably priced good food - and it's a no-brainer.
I do occasionally go to the games because I feel for the kids - but it goes beyond being able to afford it. I can't support greed of that variety. Sometimes, it's enough to make me want to cut my cable because I've had it with how over the top these greedy fucks have become. The shenanigans with Oakland and SD and their stadium situations were almost Monty Burns level greed.
Look at tonight......again, two teams with zero appeal. I usually watch EVERY game on TV. I've been passing on Thursday night games over the last couple seasons.
It will not be too crowded; I am a season ticket holder and a number of guys I tailgate with have extras. Sunday and Monday Night games are a pain in the ass to go to especially with school just starting up again - is it that hard for the league to simply schedule us at 1pm early on-in the season (especially when the possibility of being flexed exists later on down the road if we end up being good).
As a side note - I sit in the Mezz and given the lack of interest/empty seats down in the club section, I contacted the Giants just to see if I could move into the club section. They offered no PSL discount or ticket discount, despite having quite a bit of inventory (and the fact that the stadium is now 7 years old - so the PSL holds less value than it did in 2010). Laughable.
long time . I can't remember I think the last game I went to
was a pre-season game we played the Bills coming off the super bowl win against them . They handed out some pins with the roman numerals for the game .
It was a blast everyone got on Jim Kelley and Norwood it was brutal . Tickets were free think I saw a game down in Philly watching LT chase Cunningham all over the place ended like
one play into OT Toast Patterson with a pick six to end the game . Prices were like $35 bucks , Forget it now can't justify the money anymore .
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There are a lot of tickets still available. All of the season ticket holders I know are trying to unload their tickets.
It will not be too crowded; I am a season ticket holder and a number of guys I tailgate with have extras. Sunday and Monday Night games are a pain in the ass to go to especially with school just starting up again - is it that hard for the league to simply schedule us at 1pm early on-in the season (especially when the possibility of being flexed exists later on down the road if we end up being good).
As a side note - I sit in the Mezz and given the lack of interest/empty seats down in the club section, I contacted the Giants just to see if I could move into the club section. They offered no PSL discount or ticket discount, despite having quite a bit of inventory (and the fact that the stadium is now 7 years old - so the PSL holds less value than it did in 2010). Laughable.
I sit in the Mezz too and ticketexchange is filled with tickets at face value in the mezz. Which means the holders are listing them at below face value.
I'd love to go, and my job is flexible enough to make it work, but the problem is that I can no longer find other people to go. Usually it involves me trying to convince people by offering to pick them up. Which means I'm driving all over NJ to drop people off after the game. Last MNF game I went to, I didn't get home till 3am. Its just a pain.
That's what they did last year.
this was the case even in the old stadium.
It's a very get-off-my-lawn-ish position, but if they want crowds in the stands (except for the cities where there is little interest - LA, Santa Clara), that's a first step. Ticket prices and psls are a whole other story.
Of course, it will never happen with tv revenue. It's pretty disheartening though, that, as a season ticket holder, when you see the schedule come out you realize the first 1pm Sunday home game is not until October 8 and there are a grand total of two (2!) Sunday afternoon home games before November. It's horseshit.
Only way for fans to win is to stay the hell home and/or don't pay for PSLs. I go to 3-4 games every year...I would gladly stop going it it made a difference but I would never pay for the PSL charge and never will.
Stay home people. You want the NFL to come close to mirroring the NHL? This shit needs to stop.
Went the boat route. Oddly enough - despite that also being an area where everything associated with it is a ripoff, I never felt like I was being gouged quite as badly as when I attend a sporting event. Ridiculous ticket prices. Ridiculous parking prices. Obscene concession prices. And while the product on the field continues to diminish in quality, the costs continue to rise. Add in the ability to watch from much better angles in the leisure of my own home, with reasonably priced good food - and it's a no-brainer.
I do occasionally go to the games because I feel for the kids - but it goes beyond being able to afford it. I can't support greed of that variety. Sometimes, it's enough to make me want to cut my cable because I've had it with how over the top these greedy fucks have become. The shenanigans with Oakland and SD and their stadium situations were almost Monty Burns level greed.
I too gave up my tickets when the new stadium was built and PSL's were implemented. I had two kids in college and simply could not rationalize the expense anymore. I bought a 70" HDTV, converted my basement from playroom to Giants viewing room and I could not be happier with my decision. Additionally, I no longer live in NYC so driving to and from nationally televised night games was getting me home around 2AM. Just got tired of it.
Giants have an old fan base that hates night games. Been this way for a while
The more I think about it the more I think it's getting close to the time where I stop splitting the season tix. I can sure as fuck use that money on better things...I love going...I love tailgating and when the Giants are winning a big December game there's no where I'd want to be, but it's really not worth it anymore.
I may float the idea this Monday...something tells me my friend won't object and I know my Father in Law won't care. He would sell them all.
More quick fix horse shit. Take the quick dollar and let the scumbag titans of industry out there grease just the right palms...rinse...repeat.
IT's sad. There's NO reason why these scumbag owners should be holding these cities hostage like they are. I blame them all...every single one of them. Mara didn't move the team? Yippeeee....they still took the fucking money with the PSL crap. Shame on all of them. I get why Mara did it...they need to compete financially...but shame on every last one of them. One day it will fall. It always does.
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There are a lot of tickets still available. All of the season ticket holders I know are trying to unload their tickets.
Giants have an old fan base that hates night games. Been this way for a while
It will be packed. I'd bet every last dollar I own on it. Every year...packed. This area is filled with people that have the means to go to games.