The Chargers will be playing their first home regular season game at the StubHub Center, a stadium that was built for soccer and is used by the LA Galaxy in MLS. It's a 27,000 seat stadium with fewer bells and whistles than you see at the newer enormous coliseums.
I think there's a chance that it will be a great home field experience, and may plant the seed for having us reconsider what we want the NFL stadium experience to be.
Terps you're lucky that the NFL hasn't started turning entering fans upside down in an attempt to shake out loose change - do you really think they're going to go for *any* change that results in lower revenues?
Terps you're lucky that the NFL hasn't started turning entering fans upside down in an attempt to shake out loose change - do you really think they're going to go for *any* change that results in lower revenues?
Maybe they go smaller and multiply the prices by 3x or 4x?
to my first Giants game in 8 years when they come to Denver next month. I'm already in the hole $400 for 2 nose bleed tickets I bought directly from the Broncos. I'll probably spend at minimum another $100 on transportation, food and beer. I don't know how people can do this 8-10x a year unless they can write it off. The NFL has been gouging people for years. It's about time people stop going. Smaller stadiums is not the answer. The answer is lower ticket prices and an easily accessible stadium. Plus given the economic conditions of the younger generations there will not be enough money to go around with student loan debt, high cost of housing, daycare etc. People will just stay home.
Terps you're lucky that the NFL hasn't started turning entering fans upside down in an attempt to shake out loose change - do you really think they're going to go for *any* change that results in lower revenues?
Maybe they go smaller and multiply the prices by 3x or 4x?
No way they'd be pulling in the same money.
No, if you read the NFL's press, what's missing is the digital game experience. It's not just the NFL - seems like MLB and others are all focused in the same way - if you get to the point where the display on the cell phone is good enough, people will go.
I'm not in market research, and don't generate billions of dollars in revenue, so I'm not in position to argue with the NFL as to whether or not those strategies will be successful. All I know is the last thing I care about when I go into a stadium is what experience I have with an app. The whole point to being there live is, uh, being there live - if I want the digital experience, I'll go back to my couch.
In the meanwhile, they're not going cozy - they're building big, involved stadiums that are as much shopping mall as they are sports, while degrading the view for the common fan as much as possible to support more club seating.
That's why I passed on PSLs - the upper level at Giants Stadium was fantastic, and replaced by a further up and back section in MetLife that left me barely able to read player's names off the jerseys. All for just the several thousand dollars in seat licenses and higher ticket prices than before. No thanks, I'll pass.
not beer. Not food...not even water unless I am desperate. I load up in the parking lot and stop eating drinking once I walk in. My friend insists on buying a round of beers despite my pleas not to buy me one. He does anyway.
not beer. Not food...not even water unless I am desperate.
I'm the same way. In general I don't like paying jacked up prices for food at any sporting event, and with football games, when it's generally a weekend where I'm coming from home, it's particularly easy to make something to bring with me. Plus, even though the selections are better than in the old stadium, it's still mostly stuff I'm not crazy about.
The 49ers are expected to be a terrible team, and if Week 1 was any indication, will continue to be. And here's the thing, Attendance for that game was listed at over 70,000. By halftime, they were getting destroyed.
The Rams, another team that has been mocked for a mostly empty stadium, are playing in an enormous temporary stadium. On top of that, they were terrible last year. If they have a rebound season in 2017, take a look at how the crowds change.
How about the crowds in Dallas? New England? Hell, Cleveland has a solid crowd.
It's funny, a Brit coworker says the same things about English soccer Â
The complaints are almost exactly the same - they've priced the common fan out, the atmosphere is sterile because the stands are mostly rich corporate types and tourists, the quality of play has declined, new stadiums put seats too far away, etc. "Everything turned to shite when it became the Premier League!"
Haven't been even to an NFL game in over a decade Â
The complaints are almost exactly the same - they've priced the common fan out, the atmosphere is sterile because the stands are mostly rich corporate types and tourists, the quality of play has declined, new stadiums put seats too far away, etc. "Everything turned to shite when it became the Premier League!"
It's funny...I've heard the same thing even about watching the Premier League on TV. I've met people from the UK that can't believe how much access we have to the Premier League compared to what they get. I imagine it would be tantamount to getting Sunday Ticket over the air in London.
RE: Concerned about attendance, yet they move 2 teams to LA Â
Rams at 9ers: $18
AZ at 9ers: $28
Giants at 9ers: $64
SEA at 9ers: $60
Jags at 9ers: $26
Those seem very reasonable to me. I'm not thinking that people are avoiding the stadium because prices are out of control. People aren't showing up because they expect the games to not be very enjoyable.
Oakland is the hotter team in town right now - 9er fans in the area are showing their colors - not coming out because the team sucks.
RE: RE: If you are going to the Giants game in November ... Â
I doubt you'll bake in Santa Clara in November. Sept/early Oct maybe, but not November.
Yeah, but you never really know. November-February typically have a few days per month of sunny and warm weather. Last year was one of the few exceptions I can remember.
It was in the high 70's when I got married on February 16th a few years back.
is expensive, time consuming, unhealthy, intrusive (security checks), at times boring (you really notice the TV timeouts in person, there is a lot of dead time), uncomfortable (the seats or benches are far from ergonomic) and annoying (dealing with drunk mouthbreathing punks or down in front old fogies). if your team stinks, all the more reason not to attend.
over the past few decades have also increased far greater than wages. Just think about what life cost back in the early 80s and what the average salaries were. Then compare to what ticket prices were back then and how much they are now. Without having researched the exact figures, I would guess those prices increased at a higher rate than salaries. Same for parking at the games. Then, add in cable TV costs, internet, cell phones and everything else that we have to pay now vs back then. There just is not enough disposable income anymore.
Would still rather pay $150 to see Giants-Lions rather than... Â
Much like others have said, I bailed when they went to PSL's and I was one of the "lucky" ones whose PSL's were "only" $1000.00 a piece. I made the first two installment payments, then found out that the whole group that had sat together in Section 313 in the old stadium (Irwin, Robert, Cary, Gary; like Cheers I didn't even know their last names but sat with them for decades) had been split up and that they moved us to the corner of the end zone and much further up.
No thank you, I too watch at home...no more parking nightmares, no buying tix for preseason games I don't go to anyway, no night games, etc....
Rams at 9ers: $18
AZ at 9ers: $28
Giants at 9ers: $64
SEA at 9ers: $60
Jags at 9ers: $26
Those seem very reasonable to me. I'm not thinking that people are avoiding the stadium because prices are out of control. People aren't showing up because they expect the games to not be very enjoyable.
Oakland is the hotter team in town right now - 9er fans in the area are showing their colors - not coming out because the team sucks.
Its not that simple. Between the departure of Jeff Garcia and the arrival of Jim Harbaugh, the Niners stunk and yet fans showed up for the games. For all the problems Levi's has, Candlestick was much, much worse.
Rams at 9ers: $18
AZ at 9ers: $28
Giants at 9ers: $64
SEA at 9ers: $60
Jags at 9ers: $26
Those seem very reasonable to me. I'm not thinking that people are avoiding the stadium because prices are out of control. People aren't showing up because they expect the games to not be very enjoyable.
Oakland is the hotter team in town right now - 9er fans in the area are showing their colors - not coming out because the team sucks.
Its not that simple. Between the departure of Jeff Garcia and the arrival of Jim Harbaugh, the Niners stunk and yet fans showed up for the games. For all the problems Levi's has, Candlestick was much, much worse.
I'll admit you would know much better than I do. What's the deal then? Why aren't they coming out to the games?
The availability of tickets at rock-bottom prices (sub $20) on Stubhub indicates season ticket holders aren't planning to attend, or there aren't enough season ticket holders out there. Not sure what it is, but would love to learn.
Rams at 9ers: $18
AZ at 9ers: $28
Giants at 9ers: $64
SEA at 9ers: $60
Jags at 9ers: $26
Those seem very reasonable to me. I'm not thinking that people are avoiding the stadium because prices are out of control. People aren't showing up because they expect the games to not be very enjoyable.
Oakland is the hotter team in town right now - 9er fans in the area are showing their colors - not coming out because the team sucks.
Its not that simple. Between the departure of Jeff Garcia and the arrival of Jim Harbaugh, the Niners stunk and yet fans showed up for the games. For all the problems Levi's has, Candlestick was much, much worse.
I'll admit you would know much better than I do. What's the deal then? Why aren't they coming out to the games?
The availability of tickets at rock-bottom prices (sub $20) on Stubhub indicates season ticket holders aren't planning to attend, or there aren't enough season ticket holders out there. Not sure what it is, but would love to learn.
The computer programming geeks there are not really into sports is my best bet. Then add in that it is really far from actual San Francisco, and the team has sucked for a while.
Has chased away their most loyal base the Middle class.
PSL, $30 parking, long lines for over priced concessions.
With TV rating downs as well, Goodell and the Genius owners better be wary of the next TV Contract which by all indications will not be as lucrative by the Networks.
But They will have Apple and Google in the wings , so good bye Free games on TV and hello to paying for your Home team games, with Tier pricing ala carte for Big matchup games.
All the people chanting, "Who has it better than us" a few years ago are going to other events that are now deemed hotter.
Also, nobody is buying season tickets because season tickets in the Bay Area are basically a profit making venture. You buy them and then write them off as a business expense, while selling the games you don't want to go to and not reporting it. But you can get tickets on stubhub for ten bucks, so nobody is going to make a profit with season tickets or even come close.
Then, it is far away from their fanbase, which is the city and North Bay. And the traffic is going to be murder on a Sunday and despite all its liberal environmentalism, the Bay Area has very poor public transportation.
RE: Another former Season Tix holder who bailed at PSL's Â
Much like others have said, I bailed when they went to PSL's and I was one of the "lucky" ones whose PSL's were "only" $1000.00 a piece. I made the first two installment payments, then found out that the whole group that had sat together in Section 313 in the old stadium (Irwin, Robert, Cary, Gary; like Cheers I didn't even know their last names but sat with them for decades) had been split up and that they moved us to the corner of the end zone and much further up.
No thank you, I too watch at home...no more parking nightmares, no buying tix for preseason games I don't go to anyway, no night games, etc....
Wellington Mara would be ashamed...
As I mentioned in an earlier post, I ended up paying the PSLs but if I had to do it over I probably wouldn't. The only consolation for me is that although the PSLs were expensive, the seats are premium and I have no problem selling them when needed. I get higher than face value for pre-season games if you can believe it. I say this not because I am a ticket broker or anything like that but it has not been a losing dollar situation for me. If someone was to offer me a premium for the PSLs I would probably sell them. Thinking about seriously putting them up for sale since the wife and I will be moving to FL in the winters in the next couple of years and wont be able to use the seats anyway.
Was the game a sellout? Or how many unsold tickets were there? Â
It's tough to argue for the NFL to lower the prices. Because that just results in greater margins for the people who are selling on the secondary market. It's unbelievable how quickly the high demand events sell out, but the tickets are just relocated to StubHub where they are listed for more.
I know this because I recently invested with a popular radio personality from NY who has some connections to tickets at face and then flips them for profit. Hoping it pays off!
People keep mentioning how far away the stadium is from the city... Â
I know it's not Candlestick, but this seems like such a lame excuse for crowds not to show up. So what about East Rutherford? I've driven from Sausalito to Santa Clara and while the distance may be further, it takes about the same time to make the trip as from Queens to the Meadowlands. Traffic is always bad before any event.
It seems a lot of excuses are made for why people don't show up. If there is a real explanation for this beyond the fact that they are a bad team I'd like to understand it. The explanations put forward so far are either untrue (cost) or not unique to SF (weather, distance/traffic).
RE: Was the game a sellout? Or how many unsold tickets were there? Â
It's tough to argue for the NFL to lower the prices. Because that just results in greater margins for the people who are selling on the secondary market. It's unbelievable how quickly the high demand events sell out, but the tickets are just relocated to StubHub where they are listed for more.
I know this because I recently invested with a popular radio personality from NY who has some connections to tickets at face and then flips them for profit. Hoping it pays off!
Tickets to their games are listed above - they are available cheap (from $18).
Also, this isn't about whether the tickets were sold. It's about fans not showing up to cheer on the home team.
NFL still offers the best value of any of the 4 major sports. Giants tickets are sure as shit better value than Yankees, Mets, Rangers or Knicks. Especially when you factor football games are 10x as important as a regular season baseball game.
Also found the article misleading - the Chargers are having trouble selling tickets because of a ticketexchange link which showed 90% of the resale tickets were from existing season ticket holders and scalpers? WTF? Rams crowd didnt look that bad when you consider that stadium is literally... a colisseum.... and 49ers as noted above have a terrible team, 45 minutes from San Fran, and a terrible sun situation (they should do what the Dolphins did with Hard Rock).
Oh and Spanos is a world class asshole that never should have left San Diego.
RE: Something interesting is going to be happening in LA this weekend Â
The Chargers will be playing their first home regular season game at the StubHub Center, a stadium that was built for soccer and is used by the LA Galaxy in MLS. It's a 27,000 seat stadium with fewer bells and whistles than you see at the newer enormous coliseums.
I think there's a chance that it will be a great home field experience, and may plant the seed for having us reconsider what we want the NFL stadium experience to be.
No, even if that stadium gives them a home field advantage, it is not profitable enough (not enough suites, shops).
I’m reading a book right now that is excellent, talks all about how these no so called ‘beautiful’ stadiums suck because they have the upper deck seats way way far back and use too much space on concessions and merchandise stands.
I have not been to the new Giants Stadium, but it sounds a lot like the complaints I have seen about it on this site.
I think there's a chance that it will be a great home field experience, and may plant the seed for having us reconsider what we want the NFL stadium experience to be.
Maybe they go smaller and multiply the prices by 3x or 4x?
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Terps you're lucky that the NFL hasn't started turning entering fans upside down in an attempt to shake out loose change - do you really think they're going to go for *any* change that results in lower revenues?
Maybe they go smaller and multiply the prices by 3x or 4x?
No way they'd be pulling in the same money.
No, if you read the NFL's press, what's missing is the digital game experience. It's not just the NFL - seems like MLB and others are all focused in the same way - if you get to the point where the display on the cell phone is good enough, people will go.
I'm not in market research, and don't generate billions of dollars in revenue, so I'm not in position to argue with the NFL as to whether or not those strategies will be successful. All I know is the last thing I care about when I go into a stadium is what experience I have with an app. The whole point to being there live is, uh, being there live - if I want the digital experience, I'll go back to my couch.
In the meanwhile, they're not going cozy - they're building big, involved stadiums that are as much shopping mall as they are sports, while degrading the view for the common fan as much as possible to support more club seating.
That's why I passed on PSLs - the upper level at Giants Stadium was fantastic, and replaced by a further up and back section in MetLife that left me barely able to read player's names off the jerseys. All for just the several thousand dollars in seat licenses and higher ticket prices than before. No thanks, I'll pass.
Drink and eat in the lot.
I'm the same way. In general I don't like paying jacked up prices for food at any sporting event, and with football games, when it's generally a weekend where I'm coming from home, it's particularly easy to make something to bring with me. Plus, even though the selections are better than in the old stadium, it's still mostly stuff I'm not crazy about.
The Rams, another team that has been mocked for a mostly empty stadium, are playing in an enormous temporary stadium. On top of that, they were terrible last year. If they have a rebound season in 2017, take a look at how the crowds change.
How about the crowds in Dallas? New England? Hell, Cleveland has a solid crowd.
It's funny...I've heard the same thing even about watching the Premier League on TV. I've met people from the UK that can't believe how much access we have to the Premier League compared to what they get. I imagine it would be tantamount to getting Sunday Ticket over the air in London.
yup...agree 100%...still baffled by the moves...
AZ at 9ers: $28
Giants at 9ers: $64
SEA at 9ers: $60
Jags at 9ers: $26
Those seem very reasonable to me. I'm not thinking that people are avoiding the stadium because prices are out of control. People aren't showing up because they expect the games to not be very enjoyable.
Oakland is the hotter team in town right now - 9er fans in the area are showing their colors - not coming out because the team sucks.
Yeah, but you never really know. November-February typically have a few days per month of sunny and warm weather. Last year was one of the few exceptions I can remember.
It was in the high 70's when I got married on February 16th a few years back.
$175 to see Mets-Phillies in September (list price), and
$200 to see Knicks-Grizzlies in February.
If you think football games are over-priced, check out how much it costs to a "garden variety" baseball, hockey or basketball game.
I think, comparatively speaking, NFL games might still be the best value
No thank you, I too watch at home...no more parking nightmares, no buying tix for preseason games I don't go to anyway, no night games, etc....
Wellington Mara would be ashamed...
AZ at 9ers: $28
Giants at 9ers: $64
SEA at 9ers: $60
Jags at 9ers: $26
Those seem very reasonable to me. I'm not thinking that people are avoiding the stadium because prices are out of control. People aren't showing up because they expect the games to not be very enjoyable.
Oakland is the hotter team in town right now - 9er fans in the area are showing their colors - not coming out because the team sucks.
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Rams at 9ers: $18
AZ at 9ers: $28
Giants at 9ers: $64
SEA at 9ers: $60
Jags at 9ers: $26
Those seem very reasonable to me. I'm not thinking that people are avoiding the stadium because prices are out of control. People aren't showing up because they expect the games to not be very enjoyable.
Oakland is the hotter team in town right now - 9er fans in the area are showing their colors - not coming out because the team sucks.
Its not that simple. Between the departure of Jeff Garcia and the arrival of Jim Harbaugh, the Niners stunk and yet fans showed up for the games. For all the problems Levi's has, Candlestick was much, much worse.
I'll admit you would know much better than I do. What's the deal then? Why aren't they coming out to the games?
The availability of tickets at rock-bottom prices (sub $20) on Stubhub indicates season ticket holders aren't planning to attend, or there aren't enough season ticket holders out there. Not sure what it is, but would love to learn.
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In comment 13598629 Dan in the Springs said:
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Rams at 9ers: $18
AZ at 9ers: $28
Giants at 9ers: $64
SEA at 9ers: $60
Jags at 9ers: $26
Those seem very reasonable to me. I'm not thinking that people are avoiding the stadium because prices are out of control. People aren't showing up because they expect the games to not be very enjoyable.
Oakland is the hotter team in town right now - 9er fans in the area are showing their colors - not coming out because the team sucks.
Its not that simple. Between the departure of Jeff Garcia and the arrival of Jim Harbaugh, the Niners stunk and yet fans showed up for the games. For all the problems Levi's has, Candlestick was much, much worse.
I'll admit you would know much better than I do. What's the deal then? Why aren't they coming out to the games?
The availability of tickets at rock-bottom prices (sub $20) on Stubhub indicates season ticket holders aren't planning to attend, or there aren't enough season ticket holders out there. Not sure what it is, but would love to learn.
The computer programming geeks there are not really into sports is my best bet. Then add in that it is really far from actual San Francisco, and the team has sucked for a while.
PSL, $30 parking, long lines for over priced concessions.
With TV rating downs as well, Goodell and the Genius owners better be wary of the next TV Contract which by all indications will not be as lucrative by the Networks.
But They will have Apple and Google in the wings , so good bye Free games on TV and hello to paying for your Home team games, with Tier pricing ala carte for Big matchup games.
Also, nobody is buying season tickets because season tickets in the Bay Area are basically a profit making venture. You buy them and then write them off as a business expense, while selling the games you don't want to go to and not reporting it. But you can get tickets on stubhub for ten bucks, so nobody is going to make a profit with season tickets or even come close.
Then, it is far away from their fanbase, which is the city and North Bay. And the traffic is going to be murder on a Sunday and despite all its liberal environmentalism, the Bay Area has very poor public transportation.
No thank you, I too watch at home...no more parking nightmares, no buying tix for preseason games I don't go to anyway, no night games, etc....
Wellington Mara would be ashamed...
As I mentioned in an earlier post, I ended up paying the PSLs but if I had to do it over I probably wouldn't. The only consolation for me is that although the PSLs were expensive, the seats are premium and I have no problem selling them when needed. I get higher than face value for pre-season games if you can believe it. I say this not because I am a ticket broker or anything like that but it has not been a losing dollar situation for me. If someone was to offer me a premium for the PSLs I would probably sell them. Thinking about seriously putting them up for sale since the wife and I will be moving to FL in the winters in the next couple of years and wont be able to use the seats anyway.
I know this because I recently invested with a popular radio personality from NY who has some connections to tickets at face and then flips them for profit. Hoping it pays off!
It seems a lot of excuses are made for why people don't show up. If there is a real explanation for this beyond the fact that they are a bad team I'd like to understand it. The explanations put forward so far are either untrue (cost) or not unique to SF (weather, distance/traffic).
I know this because I recently invested with a popular radio personality from NY who has some connections to tickets at face and then flips them for profit. Hoping it pays off!
Tickets to their games are listed above - they are available cheap (from $18).
Also, this isn't about whether the tickets were sold. It's about fans not showing up to cheer on the home team.
Also found the article misleading - the Chargers are having trouble selling tickets because of a ticketexchange link which showed 90% of the resale tickets were from existing season ticket holders and scalpers? WTF? Rams crowd didnt look that bad when you consider that stadium is literally... a colisseum.... and 49ers as noted above have a terrible team, 45 minutes from San Fran, and a terrible sun situation (they should do what the Dolphins did with Hard Rock).
Oh and Spanos is a world class asshole that never should have left San Diego.
I think there's a chance that it will be a great home field experience, and may plant the seed for having us reconsider what we want the NFL stadium experience to be.
I’m reading a book right now that is excellent, talks all about how these no so called ‘beautiful’ stadiums suck because they have the upper deck seats way way far back and use too much space on concessions and merchandise stands.
I have not been to the new Giants Stadium, but it sounds a lot like the complaints I have seen about it on this site.
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