Telling Giants Offensive Scoring Stat

I see the connection

In comment 13598534 Rocky369 said:

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I see the connection

No one is asking for him to be fired.. but regardless of wins or losses you should look to improve.. and BTW its only 11 wins and 0 playoff wins.. maybe if we had a better offense we would have 12 wins.. 13 wins..

there HAS to be weaknesses in your team. It's okay to build a great offense but your defense is going to be less than stellar.

The Giants decided to build a great defense and hope Eli can get them through.

"The offense is broken" - John Mara

Um...again

we have to acknowledge that if his only responsibility was the offense then the Giants would be strongly considering getting a new OC at this point.

The Giants offense was terrible, all the big spending was to fix this defense and the results were 11 wins and a fixed defense, the hope was the offensive line would gel, but it didn't.

This season we are one game into it, the first game was more of the same, the worst part was only one player was missing, we all know it is our best player, but that is not a good sign for this offense at all.

The hope is that the management is correct and the offensive line and offense will gel. The tight end position was addressed through both free agency and the draft. The running back position was addressed with a 4th round pick, there were several backs available earlier, we passed. The offensive line was addressed with a free agent, low level free agent back up tackle, and a late 6th round pick and a post draft college signing. The wide receiver group was addressed with a high level free agent signing, a big guy to help in the red zone, and a possible future QB was added.

Bottom line is that we are 1 game into this, to drag up what was done last season does nothing but add to the fans frustration, each season must be looked at separately and that includes our 11-5 record, stop with what we did last season and look at this team today, that is all that counts, we lost 1 freakin game, let's see how the team responds now.

The bottom line is simple

it looks to me like both a personnel AND coaching problem. The OL & RB's are what they are, but I don't know that Benny Mac is getting the most out of what he has. But many/most coaches don't. They have a system and rely upon players to execute it, rather than building a system around their players. He could be getting more out of the players he has.

The offensive line was not addressed with Adam Bisnowaty it also wasn't addressed in the 7th round last year with Bobby Hart . Rarely do you get plug and play offensive lineman with late round picks .
The running back position was also not addressed we lack a true stud at RB . We needed some kind of power back Perkins is a nice complimentary player and a good pick late .
Wayne Gallman is a tad bigger than Perkins he came from a big time program but I am still not sold on his upright style he is an effort player but hardly a game breaker or a bell cow type runner not in the pros IMO .
Great backs make something out of nothing and with the current state of our O-line average backs can't be expected to too much with zero room to run .

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Telling Giants Offensive Scoring Stat Danthebigbluefan : 12:14 pm Giants offense has averaged 17.55 points per game since McAdoo has taken over as HC. The most telling stat IMO is below. Per Ralph V on Twitter 18 hrs ago: Giants have been held under 20 points a ridiculous 11 times in their last 18 games (since McAdoo took over)

Are we supposed to believe that McAdoo just forgot how offense worked when he got promoted? Take a look at the two years he was OC compared to the KG era:



The core elements of the offense scheme are still there and the QB is being sacked less than during TC's tenure. But the production is missing. The QB has full freedom to check at the line and check down in live action. Are you sure it's on the coach?

as anything else. Eli is in the same stage that Payton was in the last 2 years of his career, it's over folks. Eli has nothing left in the tank.

In comment 13598747 Gatorade Dunk said:

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Quote: Telling Giants Offensive Scoring Stat Danthebigbluefan : 12:14 pm Giants offense has averaged 17.55 points per game since McAdoo has taken over as HC. The most telling stat IMO is below. Per Ralph V on Twitter 18 hrs ago: Giants have been held under 20 points a ridiculous 11 times in their last 18 games (since McAdoo took over) Are we supposed to believe that McAdoo just forgot how offense worked when he got promoted? Take a look at the two years he was OC compared to the KG era: The core elements of the offense scheme are still there and the QB is being sacked less than during TC's tenure. But the production is missing. The QB has full freedom to check at the line and check down in live action. Are you sure it's on the coach?

Your books are cooked as I pointed out on the other thread where you posted the same graphic.

Even in the dark days of 2013 when Eli was sacked 39 times and we were running the immortal Aaron Brown and Jernal Jernigan (is Mara still wondering why he doesn't start?) we managed to score 20+ points in 11 games.

Contemplate this- since the November 27 game against the Browns, the Giants have scored 8 td's total on offense. They are 3-4 over that stretch.

In comment 13598882 HomerJones45 said:

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In comment 13598747 Gatorade Dunk said: Quote: Quote: Telling Giants Offensive Scoring Stat Danthebigbluefan : 12:14 pm Giants offense has averaged 17.55 points per game since McAdoo has taken over as HC. The most telling stat IMO is below. Per Ralph V on Twitter 18 hrs ago: Giants have been held under 20 points a ridiculous 11 times in their last 18 games (since McAdoo took over) Are we supposed to believe that McAdoo just forgot how offense worked when he got promoted? Take a look at the two years he was OC compared to the KG era: The core elements of the offense scheme are still there and the QB is being sacked less than during TC's tenure. But the production is missing. The QB has full freedom to check at the line and check down in live action. Are you sure it's on the coach? Your books are cooked as I pointed out on the other thread where you posted the same graphic. Even in the dark days of 2013 when Eli was sacked 39 times and we were running the immortal Aaron Brown and Jernal Jernigan (is Mara still wondering why he doesn't start?) we managed to score 20+ points in 11 games. Contemplate this- since the November 27 game against the Browns, the Giants have scored 8 td's total on offense. They are 3-4 over that stretch.

You're right - the offense is worse than in those days. But the overriding narrative has been that it's all on the OL. I do think the OL bears some (much? most?) of the responsibility, but not all. Clearly, the numbers do show that Eli has been sacked less frequently over the past three seasons than he was under TC/KG, and less last year than when BMc was the OC. My point was simply that he used to be more willing to take a shot while he waited for a play to come open; it doesn't appear that he's as willing to do that anymore.

As for my "books being cooked" those are just the official stats from Pro Football Reference. I didn't make up the numbers. I was just trying to see what the cause might be (especially since the data sets in the OP of the other thread were definitely divided in such a way as to be misleading).

One last question though - who's Aaron Brown?

In comment 13598882 HomerJones45 said:

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In comment 13598747 Gatorade Dunk said: Quote: Quote: Telling Giants Offensive Scoring Stat Danthebigbluefan : 12:14 pm Giants offense has averaged 17.55 points per game since McAdoo has taken over as HC. The most telling stat IMO is below. Per Ralph V on Twitter 18 hrs ago: Giants have been held under 20 points a ridiculous 11 times in their last 18 games (since McAdoo took over) Are we supposed to believe that McAdoo just forgot how offense worked when he got promoted? Take a look at the two years he was OC compared to the KG era: The core elements of the offense scheme are still there and the QB is being sacked less than during TC's tenure. But the production is missing. The QB has full freedom to check at the line and check down in live action. Are you sure it's on the coach? Your books are cooked as I pointed out on the other thread where you posted the same graphic. Even in the dark days of 2013 when Eli was sacked 39 times and we were running the immortal Aaron Brown and Jernal Jernigan (is Mara still wondering why he doesn't start?) we managed to score 20+ points in 11 games. Contemplate this- since the November 27 game against the Browns, the Giants have scored 8 td's total on offense. They are 3-4 over that stretch.

I do think it's funny that on the other thread you tried to include a 7-game season in the per-season sack averages without weighting it, and then you accuse me of cooking my books.

Maybe math isn't your thing?

This game coming up is huge, IMO. Odell should be back, the players will basically all be healthy. If they go 0-2 the seasons done. There's no way they're beating the Eagles at the Linc with blood in the water.

This is Mac's first real crisis. TC went through these multiple times and came out ahead except for the final years. Let's see how Mac and this team handle adversity.

In comment 13598534 Rocky369 said:

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I see the connection

Hm. Yeah. All this wins were all him and had nothing to do w the defense. All that great offense be devised and runs. Yeah. He's been awesome. Anothet Bill Walsh Paul Brown and Lombardi all in one