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jgambrosio : 9/14/2017 8:29 pm
Don’t expect the Texans to win, but curious to see how Watson does in his first start. Two throws a bit off right off the bat.
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This  
nccowboyfan : 9/14/2017 8:36 pm : link
Is going to be a shit show. Absolutely no energy from either team really. Thursday night games are the worse.
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arcarsenal : 9/14/2017 8:44 pm : link
The Bengals offense is a mirror image of ours.
When people say there isn't a problem with the product  
UConn4523 : 9/14/2017 8:50 pm : link
look no further than this matchup and TNF in general. Both teams with legit playoff aspirations and they look as bad as we did last week. The product just fucking sucks.
I wholeheartedly agree  
BlueHurricane : 9/14/2017 8:58 pm : link
The product the NFL puts on display the first 4-6 weeks of the season is atrocious. This CBA has destroyed the game.

Quality of play is declining dramatically  
NYerInMA : 9/14/2017 8:59 pm : link
I think the league needs to drop Thursday night games (except for Week 1 and Thanksgiving), and allow more practices. This is brutal.
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arcarsenal : 9/14/2017 9:08 pm : link
No one can fucking block. It's ridiculous.

People need to watch other NFL games - these QB's are under constant pressure just like ours is.
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micky : 9/14/2017 9:10 pm : link
In comment 13599040 arcarsenal said:
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No one can fucking block. It's ridiculous.

People need to watch other NFL games - these QB's are under constant pressure just like ours is.


it goes to the fact, that offensive linemen at lower levels college etc aren't being developed anymore...its a passing games these days.
Thursday football  
family progtitioner : 9/14/2017 9:12 pm : link
needs to go. It's just a bad idea.
RE: .  
Danny Kanell : 9/14/2017 9:13 pm : link
In comment 13599040 arcarsenal said:
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No one can fucking block. It's ridiculous.

People need to watch other NFL games - these QB's are under constant pressure just like ours is.


Cool. We haven't scored 20 points in 7 games.
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arcarsenal : 9/14/2017 9:15 pm : link
In comment 13599044 Danny Kanell said:
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In comment 13599040 arcarsenal said:


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No one can fucking block. It's ridiculous.

People need to watch other NFL games - these QB's are under constant pressure just like ours is.



Cool. We haven't scored 20 points in 7 games.


Wasn't my point - thanks for the snarky response, though!
The  
AcidTest : 9/14/2017 9:15 pm : link
OL play for both teams is pretty poor. Watson and Dalton are being constantly harassed and hit. The difference is they are mobile. Eli is not. The Texans are of course missing Brown. The Bengals have spent a lot of high draft picks on their OL recently IIRC. Not sure about Houston.

The bad OL play favors short, quick throws. Defenders know this, so they sit on the routes. Watson has almost been picked off twice. Some of that is inexperience. He is holding the ball too long, undoubtedly because he's still understandably confused by NFL coverages and adjusting to the speed of the game. But he's also running for his life on many plays right after the snap.
Comments about  
old man : 9/14/2017 9:15 pm : link
league-wide poor OL play are spot on.
That won't help us in the draft since we will have to settle for a 2nd or 3rd tier player, unless we go standings BASEMENT ROCKIN' FOR BLOCKIN'.
RE: Quality of play is declining dramatically  
AcidTest : 9/14/2017 9:16 pm : link
In comment 13599033 NYerInMA said:
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I think the league needs to drop Thursday night games (except for Week 1 and Thanksgiving), and allow more practices. This is brutal.


Agreed.
These QBs actuallly seem to be getting hit more than Eli  
UConn4523 : 9/14/2017 9:18 pm : link
did on Sunday despite being more mobile. People really need to take a step back and actually look at what's going on. It sucks the Giants are going through it, but it looks more common than many like to admit.
Have there been  
Mike in NY : 9/14/2017 9:21 pm : link
More punts than points?
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Danny Kanell : 9/14/2017 9:21 pm : link
Arc, sorry about the snark. You're right. There's just been this annoying almost absolving of the OL on here because blocking sucks elsewhere. The Giants problems aren't due to a league wide OL crisis. Our OL has been bad for a very long time. Sorry for coming across douchey.
I don't think anyone is absolving the Giants  
UConn4523 : 9/14/2017 9:24 pm : link
but more pointing out on the 400 OL threads that this isn't a Giants specific problem. None of us can change what's happening, but it's somewhat easier to swallow knowing 2 other playoff hopefully looks as shitty or worse than we do on the OLine. I wish it wasn't this way but it is and we are all going to have to get used to seeing it.
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arcarsenal : 9/14/2017 9:26 pm : link
It's cool, man - I get it. I'm as frustrated as anyone. We've got to be better offensively. Sunday night was pathetic.

I just can't remember line play being this poor around the league in all my years watching football. It's terrible.

I watched most of SEA/GB on Sunday and Rodgers/Wilson were running for their lives constantly. It's like you get 2 seconds before a defensive lineman or linebacker gets into the backfield. Sometimes less. And with a zero-mobility QB like Eli, it's a disaster.

We have to find a way to run the football because we're going to be doomed if we don't.
Dalton  
AcidTest : 9/14/2017 9:28 pm : link
just threw it into the upper deck.
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arcarsenal : 9/14/2017 9:29 pm : link
Dalton looks like he's regressing. He's been awful. An NFL QB cannot miss that throw.
And  
AcidTest : 9/14/2017 9:31 pm : link
now he grossly overshoots a wide open LaFell. The boos have started. Eli did the same thing on Sunday night. He missed wide open receivers. Is that caused by how many times they've already been hit?
Interesting  
BigBlueHens : 9/14/2017 9:31 pm : link
that Houston is putting 6 or 7 lineman out on some plays. I know all their tight ends are hurt, but it could be a way to boost the running game.
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arcarsenal : 9/14/2017 9:34 pm : link
That should be overturned - that's not a catch.
Will  
AcidTest : 9/14/2017 9:35 pm : link
bad OL play limit blitzes? Why blitz when if you can stuff the run and get pressure with just four or five? Drop everyone else back in coverage. Doing so also protects your secondary, who are already at a disadvantage because PI rules so favor receivers.
RE: Will  
arcarsenal : 9/14/2017 9:39 pm : link
In comment 13599081 AcidTest said:
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bad OL play limit blitzes? Why blitz when if you can stuff the run and get pressure with just four or five? Drop everyone else back in coverage. Doing so also protects your secondary, who are already at a disadvantage because PI rules so favor receivers.


I think it depends on the team you're playing - there are still times where blitzing will be effective, but if teams can't run the ball against light boxes and still allow pressures against standard fronts, there's not much reason to use anyone in your back 7 as an extra rusher.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/14/2017 9:40 pm : link
Chick next to buddy and I at bar is a huge Bengals fan. She keeps booing when Mixon touches the rock. Love it.

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arcarsenal : 9/14/2017 9:40 pm : link
Amazing what happens when a QB has a few seconds to throw. Found Hopkins running right through the zone for an easy completion.
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arcarsenal : 9/14/2017 9:40 pm : link
Holy shit. Atkins just DESTROYED Watson.
Wow.  
AcidTest : 9/14/2017 9:41 pm : link
Watson just got knocked back into the next zip code. Atkins had a ten yard running start before he hit him. Nobody picked him up.
I think Foreman looks pretty good for Houston  
PatersonPlank : 9/14/2017 9:42 pm : link
Never goes down on the first hit, and is average almost 4.5 yds per carry
wow and Watson answers  
jgambrosio : 9/14/2017 9:42 pm : link
nice run
Those teams with  
joeinpa : 9/14/2017 9:42 pm : link
really have a big advantage.
It  
AcidTest : 9/14/2017 9:43 pm : link
looked like Atkins was stunting, and the guard and tackle were confused about who was supposed to pick him up.

WOW. Watson with a great run for a TD. About 50 yards. Bad tackling, but that was impressive.
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arcarsenal : 9/14/2017 9:43 pm : link
Watson looking like he's back at Clemson. That's demoralizing for a defense. Have them in a 3rd and 15, have pressure on the guy.. can't grab him.
Watson  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/14/2017 9:43 pm : link
!
Wow  
joeinpa : 9/14/2017 9:44 pm : link
That was some play.
That's a pretty sick run  
bigbluehoya : 9/14/2017 9:45 pm : link
Watson has the makeup to hack it as a dropback passer alone; the fact that he can do that when he needs to pull it down gives him crazy upside IMO.
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arcarsenal : 9/14/2017 9:46 pm : link
Nice throw by Dalton finally.
Nice  
AcidTest : 9/14/2017 9:47 pm : link
throw by Dalton, but Fisher was again beaten.
More  
AcidTest : 9/14/2017 9:48 pm : link
pressure right in Dalton's fact. Watt is abusing Fisher.
And FIsher is beaten again - its play after play  
PatersonPlank : 9/14/2017 9:48 pm : link
JJ Watt is destroying him
When a qb misses a throw and has a clean pocket  
TommytheElephant : 9/14/2017 10:02 pm : link
One can't help but wonder if their internal clock is beyond fixing
Dalton has zero time to do anything  
SimpleMan : 9/14/2017 10:06 pm : link
He's got defenders in the backfield quickly on every play
Eifert  
AcidTest : 9/14/2017 10:09 pm : link
tackled by the turf monster.
Cincinnati  
AcidTest : 9/14/2017 10:13 pm : link
is throwing a lot of quick hitting passes and screens to negate the Texans's pass rush. Twenty yard dig routes are out. They are moving the ball, but it's not surprisingly taken them a lot of plays to get to the twenty.
Bengals offensive sure looks a lot like the Giants offense  
PatersonPlank : 9/14/2017 10:20 pm : link
Its like looking in a mirror
There's  
AcidTest : 9/14/2017 10:33 pm : link
nothing downfield. No time.
Lol Marvin Lewis  
Hereditaryemperor : 9/14/2017 10:43 pm : link
What an idiot
Rob's big raise day  
Hereditaryemperor : 9/14/2017 10:45 pm : link
I think this has been a good game actually, love low scoring games
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arcarsenal : 9/14/2017 10:51 pm : link
Lewis has to cut the crap with this RB carousel. Let this kid play an entire drive. Stop taking him off the field every 3rd down. It's fine to mix Bernard in on some passing downs but Mixon is without a doubt the most talented back they have. Let him rock for a while. What he's doing is so stupid.

You're not letting any RB get into any sort of rhythm by doing this. And they wonder why they still haven't scored a TD this year.
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