according to Ian Rapoport, Bengals fire their OC after 2 games with no TD's. That brings up an interesting thought, If the Giants score 3 points against the Lions...........
With Mac also being the play-caller/OC. He got a pass last year because the team was doing well, but had Sullivan been calling the plays, he would be on the verge of getting fired with these results, no?
We better score a fucking Touchdown or two at the least... Â
still has a job ??? Anybody care to guess why? This guy has a charmed NFL life.
Before last season's 6-9-1 (ie not terrible), he had 4 consecutive seasons of 10-12 wins. What are you complaining about?
If a Giants HC hadn't won a playoff game 4 consecutive years and then had a 6-9-1 which ALMOST NOBODY on BBI would consider "not terrible" he wouldn't be on the hot seat? Hell, we have a 2nd year coach who got the team to the playoffs after a multiyear absence and lost the game and is 0-1 in his second season and people on BBI already have him on the hot seat.
Give me a break.
But Marvin Lewis is still around after years of failure. Â
But why fire the OC he is just a toady of Mac, who controls the offense.
I thought Sullivan was a toady of Coughlin. Or was he a toady of Mara? Or Manning, maybe? It's hard to keep track. Sullivan isn't the problem. He sure isn't the solution either.
There are some parallels between Zampese and Sullivan. They both had reasonable success as WR and QB coaches. The promotion to OC may have been a Peter Principle step for both men. Sullivan didn't have Zampese's family connections, but his initial hire and rapid rise may have reflected Coughlin's fondness for military vets.
still has a job ??? Anybody care to guess why? This guy has a charmed NFL life.
racist much?
Hey snowflake - it's not racist to question a coach with a long history of never winning playoff games. Grow up.
So seeing what you just said is politically charged and our really strict policy on not saying anything remotely political will get you banned....
It is not remotely political to mention a coach has an 0-7 playoff record . Thanks for playing.
Really you referred to someone as a S---f---e
Here is the definition in the context you used it:
A term used to describe extremist liberals that get offended by every statement and/or belief that doesn't exactly match their own. These individuals think they are just as "unique" as the word, when really their feelings are just as fragile.
Example:
"Congratulations! Its a boy!"
"Did you just assume that babies gender?"
"Someone get the snowflake out of here, please".
Most of understanding Marvin Lewis' tenure is about the Bengals' ownership, which is completely different from ours.
Outside of that, Marvin Lewis' skill in handling that circus of player personalities over the years may be enough to warrant his job. With Cincinnati, its about more than just wins & loses.
And the RB they drafted... it speaks volumes as to the difference in the organizations.
still has a job ??? Anybody care to guess why? This guy has a charmed NFL life.
Before last season's 6-9-1 (ie not terrible), he had 4 consecutive seasons of 10-12 wins. What are you complaining about?
If a Giants HC hadn't won a playoff game 4 consecutive years and then had a 6-9-1 which ALMOST NOBODY on BBI would consider "not terrible" he wouldn't be on the hot seat? Hell, we have a 2nd year coach who got the team to the playoffs after a multiyear absence and lost the game and is 0-1 in his second season and people on BBI already have him on the hot seat.
Give me a break.
Maybe he's on the hot seat. But him not being fired for being fairly successful in a cheap ass org that struggled for years is a far cry from leading a charmed life as averagejoe asserted.
RE: If averagejoe wasn't making a racist comment, he should be given Â
the chance to explain what he meant when he said "Anyone care to guess why?"
I said that because I wonder why he still has his job. Black coaches get fired too. He has seven one and outs after winning seasons. My guess is ownership prefers stability to winning. What's yours ?
because their owner is cheap AF. Marvin Lewis probably could do better with a better franchise that actually cares about winning. The owner doesn't care, because Marvin works within the limited confines that he is given, and probably doesn't complain.
I think with the right ownership, Marvin would probably be a better coach.
The Bengals org has always screamed cheap to me, if they're doubling duty it means they're saving a ton of money - maybe another bunch of coaches wouldn't be so willing?
the chance to explain what he meant when he said "Anyone care to guess why?"
I said that because I wonder why he still has his job. Black coaches get fired too. He has seven one and outs after winning seasons. My guess is ownership prefers stability to winning. What's yours ?
It seems like you're backtracking to avoid getting banned. Anyone care to guess why?
I'm curious - what would the response be here (and in general) if Odell Beckham said this:
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"We are playing like sh-- right now. We got to find a way to get our playmakers the ball. That's it. It's a superstar-driven league. I feel like – no disrespect to nobody else – that ball should be mine somewhere somehow. ... I want the ball."
I'm curious - what would the response be here (and in general) if Odell Beckham said this:
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"We are playing like sh-- right now. We got to find a way to get our playmakers the ball. That's it. It's a superstar-driven league. I feel like – no disrespect to nobody else – that ball should be mine somewhere somehow. ... I want the ball."
Luckily for him, AJ Green said it in Cincy where there was nobody there to hear him.
I'm curious - what would the response be here (and in general) if Odell Beckham said this:
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"We are playing like sh-- right now. We got to find a way to get our playmakers the ball. That's it. It's a superstar-driven league. I feel like – no disrespect to nobody else – that ball should be mine somewhere somehow. ... I want the ball."
Luckily for him, AJ Green said it in Cincy where there was nobody there to hear him.
It's funny, because Green is always the guy people say Beckham should "STFU" and be more like.
The media would have a fucking field day here if Beckham was the one who said this.
But why fire the OC he is just a toady of Mac, who controls the offense.
I thought Sullivan was a toady of Coughlin. Or was he a toady of Mara? Or Manning, maybe? It's hard to keep track. Sullivan isn't the problem. He sure isn't the solution either.
There are some parallels between Zampese and Sullivan. They both had reasonable success as WR and QB coaches. The promotion to OC may have been a Peter Principle step for both men. Sullivan didn't have Zampese's family connections, but his initial hire and rapid rise may have reflected Coughlin's fondness for military vets.
Since both Eli and the Syracuse AN regressed under the current QB coach's tutelage, maybe fire him, and demote Sully back to QB coach.
We still need to find an OC/play caller in that scenario.
But why fire the OC he is just a toady of Mac, who controls the offense.
I thought Sullivan was a toady of Coughlin. Or was he a toady of Mara? Or Manning, maybe? It's hard to keep track. Sullivan isn't the problem. He sure isn't the solution either.
There are some parallels between Zampese and Sullivan. They both had reasonable success as WR and QB coaches. The promotion to OC may have been a Peter Principle step for both men. Sullivan didn't have Zampese's family connections, but his initial hire and rapid rise may have reflected Coughlin's fondness for military vets.
Sullivan was saddled w a control freak in Schiano who alienated almost every single player and coach. Now he gets shoe horned into an OC role for a guy who literally has one of the weakest resumes as an OC and HC Ive ever seen. Sullivan may not be a good OC about there's more and more evidence that unless OBJ is playing that McAdoo is a very good at offensive design or Play calling
The team may respond to him as a HC or maybe he's lucky Spags and the Giants loaded the D. Either way I have not seen one thing in 4 years that shows he this guy is above average as an football mind. How Sullivan gets blame is beyond me. He's not the one in charge in any meaningful way.
I'm curious - what would the response be here (and in general) if Odell Beckham said this:
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"We are playing like sh-- right now. We got to find a way to get our playmakers the ball. That's it. It's a superstar-driven league. I feel like – no disrespect to nobody else – that ball should be mine somewhere somehow. ... I want the ball."
People would be going nuts. It's not even an opinion. It's a fact. We, and a few others here, know it.
Personally, I think it's really hard to assess Giants' OC/playcalling Â
When Eli has the ability to choose options and/or call new plays at the LOS.
I often wonder how many "bad" calls are actually Eli making a bad adjustment, or at least over-thinking things and getting too cute.
I have the same question. Carte blanche on audibles along with a QB who doesn't trust his protection might be a dangerous combination that leads to a more conservative outcome. I'm not sure we can be certain that it's entirely on the playcalling. At least not BMc's playcalling, per se.
How do you know Eli still has carte blanche on audibles? Â
He did, but that does not mean he still does under the new regime or that he is not restricted as to his options in some way.
That's true - we really don't know. It was an assumption on my part, but maybe not a fair one. There's still a ton of pre-snap cadence, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it's all checks and audibles.
We don't know that it's not, but it's not fair to definitively declare that it is, either.
I read somewhere that there was basically a mutiny by the players Â
I'm curious - what would the response be here (and in general) if Odell Beckham said this:
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"We are playing like sh-- right now. We got to find a way to get our playmakers the ball. That's it. It's a superstar-driven league. I feel like – no disrespect to nobody else – that ball should be mine somewhere somehow. ... I want the ball."
People would be going nuts. It's not even an opinion. It's a fact. We, and a few others here, know it.
Yessir. It'd be a huge media thing, too. Bleacher Report, et al. would be alerting everyone about it.
still has a job ??? Anybody care to guess why? This guy has a charmed NFL life.
racist much?
Hey snowflake - it's not racist to question a coach with a long history of never winning playoff games. Grow up.
So seeing what you just said is politically charged and our really strict policy on not saying anything remotely political will get you banned....
It is not remotely political to mention a coach has an 0-7 playoff record . Thanks for playing.
Really you referred to someone as a S---f---e
Here is the definition in the context you used it:
A term used to describe extremist liberals that get offended by every statement and/or belief that doesn't exactly match their own. These individuals think they are just as "unique" as the word, when really their feelings are just as fragile.
Example:
"Congratulations! Its a boy!"
"Did you just assume that babies gender?"
"Someone get the snowflake out of here, please".
Snowflakes are dangerous, brah. They can cut you with their sharp edges.
I'm liberal but I find the term amusing. At least it's more creative than libtard.
Before last season's 6-9-1 (ie not terrible), he had 4 consecutive seasons of 10-12 wins. What are you complaining about?
racist much?
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still has a job ??? Anybody care to guess why? This guy has a charmed NFL life.
racist much?
Hey snowflake - it's not racist to question a coach with a long history of never winning playoff games. Grow up.
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still has a job ??? Anybody care to guess why? This guy has a charmed NFL life.
racist much?
Hey snowflake - it's not racist to question a coach with a long history of never winning playoff games. Grow up.
So seeing what you just said is politically charged and our really strict policy on not saying anything remotely political will get you banned....
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still has a job ??? Anybody care to guess why? This guy has a charmed NFL life.
Before last season's 6-9-1 (ie not terrible), he had 4 consecutive seasons of 10-12 wins. What are you complaining about?
If a Giants HC hadn't won a playoff game 4 consecutive years and then had a 6-9-1 which ALMOST NOBODY on BBI would consider "not terrible" he wouldn't be on the hot seat? Hell, we have a 2nd year coach who got the team to the playoffs after a multiyear absence and lost the game and is 0-1 in his second season and people on BBI already have him on the hot seat.
Give me a break.
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still has a job ??? Anybody care to guess why? This guy has a charmed NFL life.
racist much?
Hey snowflake - it's not racist to question a coach with a long history of never winning playoff games. Grow up.
So seeing what you just said is politically charged and our really strict policy on not saying anything remotely political will get you banned....
It is not remotely political to mention a coach has an 0-7 playoff record . Thanks for playing.
Been a TC guy and always will be. It was called leadership !
There are some parallels between Zampese and Sullivan. They both had reasonable success as WR and QB coaches. The promotion to OC may have been a Peter Principle step for both men. Sullivan didn't have Zampese's family connections, but his initial hire and rapid rise may have reflected Coughlin's fondness for military vets.
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still has a job ??? Anybody care to guess why? This guy has a charmed NFL life.
racist much?
Hey snowflake - it's not racist to question a coach with a long history of never winning playoff games. Grow up.
So seeing what you just said is politically charged and our really strict policy on not saying anything remotely political will get you banned....
It is not remotely political to mention a coach has an 0-7 playoff record . Thanks for playing.
Really you referred to someone as a S---f---e
Here is the definition in the context you used it:
A term used to describe extremist liberals that get offended by every statement and/or belief that doesn't exactly match their own. These individuals think they are just as "unique" as the word, when really their feelings are just as fragile.
Example:
"Congratulations! Its a boy!"
"Did you just assume that babies gender?"
"Someone get the snowflake out of here, please".
Outside of that, Marvin Lewis' skill in handling that circus of player personalities over the years may be enough to warrant his job. With Cincinnati, its about more than just wins & loses.
And the RB they drafted... it speaks volumes as to the difference in the organizations.
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still has a job ??? Anybody care to guess why? This guy has a charmed NFL life.
racist much?
Hey snowflake - it's not racist to question a coach with a long history of never winning playoff games. Grow up.
I'm sure that's what you meant by your "Anybody care to guess why?" comment.
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still has a job ??? Anybody care to guess why? This guy has a charmed NFL life.
racist much?
Hey snowflake - it's not racist to question a coach with a long history of never winning playoff games. Grow up.
The guy has taken a perennial doormat and turned them into a regular playoff team. You threw out the "anyone care to guess why?" line. Own it.
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still has a job ??? Anybody care to guess why? This guy has a charmed NFL life.
racist much?
Hey snowflake - it's not racist to question a coach with a long history of never winning playoff games. Grow up.
So seeing what you just said is politically charged and our really strict policy on not saying anything remotely political will get you banned....
It is not remotely political to mention a coach has an 0-7 playoff record . Thanks for playing.
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still has a job ??? Anybody care to guess why? This guy has a charmed NFL life.
Before last season's 6-9-1 (ie not terrible), he had 4 consecutive seasons of 10-12 wins. What are you complaining about?
If a Giants HC hadn't won a playoff game 4 consecutive years and then had a 6-9-1 which ALMOST NOBODY on BBI would consider "not terrible" he wouldn't be on the hot seat? Hell, we have a 2nd year coach who got the team to the playoffs after a multiyear absence and lost the game and is 0-1 in his second season and people on BBI already have him on the hot seat.
Give me a break.
Maybe he's on the hot seat. But him not being fired for being fairly successful in a cheap ass org that struggled for years is a far cry from leading a charmed life as averagejoe asserted.
I said that because I wonder why he still has his job. Black coaches get fired too. He has seven one and outs after winning seasons. My guess is ownership prefers stability to winning. What's yours ?
I think with the right ownership, Marvin would probably be a better coach.
He has a lifetime winning record as HC.
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still has a job ??? Anybody care to guess why? This guy has a charmed NFL life.
He has a lifetime winning record as HC.
So did Coughlin.
The Bengals org has always screamed cheap to me, if they're doubling duty it means they're saving a ton of money - maybe another bunch of coaches wouldn't be so willing?
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the chance to explain what he meant when he said "Anyone care to guess why?"
I said that because I wonder why he still has his job. Black coaches get fired too. He has seven one and outs after winning seasons. My guess is ownership prefers stability to winning. What's yours ?
It seems like you're backtracking to avoid getting banned. Anyone care to guess why?
You're a joke. Period.
You spelled both words correctly!
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"We are playing like sh-- right now. We got to find a way to get our playmakers the ball. That's it. It's a superstar-driven league. I feel like – no disrespect to nobody else – that ball should be mine somewhere somehow. ... I want the ball."
Luckily for him, AJ Green said it in Cincy where there was nobody there to hear him.
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I'm curious - what would the response be here (and in general) if Odell Beckham said this:
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"We are playing like sh-- right now. We got to find a way to get our playmakers the ball. That's it. It's a superstar-driven league. I feel like – no disrespect to nobody else – that ball should be mine somewhere somehow. ... I want the ball."
Luckily for him, AJ Green said it in Cincy where there was nobody there to hear him.
It's funny, because Green is always the guy people say Beckham should "STFU" and be more like.
The media would have a fucking field day here if Beckham was the one who said this.
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But why fire the OC he is just a toady of Mac, who controls the offense.
I thought Sullivan was a toady of Coughlin. Or was he a toady of Mara? Or Manning, maybe? It's hard to keep track. Sullivan isn't the problem. He sure isn't the solution either.
There are some parallels between Zampese and Sullivan. They both had reasonable success as WR and QB coaches. The promotion to OC may have been a Peter Principle step for both men. Sullivan didn't have Zampese's family connections, but his initial hire and rapid rise may have reflected Coughlin's fondness for military vets.
Since both Eli and the Syracuse AN regressed under the current QB coach's tutelage, maybe fire him, and demote Sully back to QB coach.
We still need to find an OC/play caller in that scenario.
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you are like a lynch mob -- roving from victim to victim
This place use to be fun its ok to have a spat here and there grown men get over it , But not here .
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But why fire the OC he is just a toady of Mac, who controls the offense.
I thought Sullivan was a toady of Coughlin. Or was he a toady of Mara? Or Manning, maybe? It's hard to keep track. Sullivan isn't the problem. He sure isn't the solution either.
There are some parallels between Zampese and Sullivan. They both had reasonable success as WR and QB coaches. The promotion to OC may have been a Peter Principle step for both men. Sullivan didn't have Zampese's family connections, but his initial hire and rapid rise may have reflected Coughlin's fondness for military vets.
Sullivan was saddled w a control freak in Schiano who alienated almost every single player and coach. Now he gets shoe horned into an OC role for a guy who literally has one of the weakest resumes as an OC and HC Ive ever seen. Sullivan may not be a good OC about there's more and more evidence that unless OBJ is playing that McAdoo is a very good at offensive design or Play calling
The team may respond to him as a HC or maybe he's lucky Spags and the Giants loaded the D. Either way I have not seen one thing in 4 years that shows he this guy is above average as an football mind. How Sullivan gets blame is beyond me. He's not the one in charge in any meaningful way.
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"We are playing like sh-- right now. We got to find a way to get our playmakers the ball. That's it. It's a superstar-driven league. I feel like – no disrespect to nobody else – that ball should be mine somewhere somehow. ... I want the ball."
People would be going nuts. It's not even an opinion. It's a fact. We, and a few others here, know it.
I often wonder how many "bad" calls are actually Eli making a bad adjustment, or at least over-thinking things and getting too cute.
I often wonder how many "bad" calls are actually Eli making a bad adjustment, or at least over-thinking things and getting too cute.
I have the same question. Carte blanche on audibles along with a QB who doesn't trust his protection might be a dangerous combination that leads to a more conservative outcome. I'm not sure we can be certain that it's entirely on the playcalling. At least not BMc's playcalling, per se.
That's true - we really don't know. It was an assumption on my part, but maybe not a fair one. There's still a ton of pre-snap cadence, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it's all checks and audibles.
We don't know that it's not, but it's not fair to definitively declare that it is, either.
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I'm curious - what would the response be here (and in general) if Odell Beckham said this:
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"We are playing like sh-- right now. We got to find a way to get our playmakers the ball. That's it. It's a superstar-driven league. I feel like – no disrespect to nobody else – that ball should be mine somewhere somehow. ... I want the ball."
People would be going nuts. It's not even an opinion. It's a fact. We, and a few others here, know it.
Yessir. It'd be a huge media thing, too. Bleacher Report, et al. would be alerting everyone about it.
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still has a job ??? Anybody care to guess why? This guy has a charmed NFL life.
racist much?
Hey snowflake - it's not racist to question a coach with a long history of never winning playoff games. Grow up.
So seeing what you just said is politically charged and our really strict policy on not saying anything remotely political will get you banned....
It is not remotely political to mention a coach has an 0-7 playoff record . Thanks for playing.
Really you referred to someone as a S---f---e
Here is the definition in the context you used it:
A term used to describe extremist liberals that get offended by every statement and/or belief that doesn't exactly match their own. These individuals think they are just as "unique" as the word, when really their feelings are just as fragile.
Example:
"Congratulations! Its a boy!"
"Did you just assume that babies gender?"
"Someone get the snowflake out of here, please".
Snowflakes are dangerous, brah. They can cut you with their sharp edges.
I'm liberal but I find the term amusing. At least it's more creative than libtard.