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The easiest player to inject into the line is Chad Wheeler

Elite Mobster #32 : 9/15/2017 5:30 pm
Chad Wheeler is the backup tackle for Hart.
I believe he's talented and will improve line. This is the best way to evaluate the play of the line as whole. The line may not be playing well simply because of the chemistry.
If Wheeler 6-7 2-320lb is Hart's backup then he is next in line to play Rookie or not- Right?

Wheeler should start. Offensive lines around the league aren't handling stunts and the normal pass in general. If we put Wheeler in it may be easier to determine the individual playing next to him. Jerry, Richberg, Pugh and Flowers, have not proven anything either. Flowers takes heat because he misses blocks but a gang unit picks up all the infiltrators coming through the neighborhood.
Sure the guy is young but that's when, you get your experience. I believe Dave Diehl was a free agent, Doug Risenburgh, maybe there are a few others but this line is not established, lets see the truth about our depth now.


We know our line is Shit  
superspynyg : 9/15/2017 5:31 pm : link
why not change everything(except center) and get a fresh perspective?
Hate to say it, but you may be right.  
TC : 9/15/2017 5:36 pm : link
He did look to have the most potential among the newest crop of OL (At least those that remained healthy.) and how much worse can he be than Hart? He needs to beef up and get better used to the NFL game, but he appears to have good movement skills and technique.
The devil you know  
ThatLimerickGuy : 9/15/2017 5:49 pm : link
may be a better option than the devil you don't.

Never forget that. If Wheeler was so outstanding in camp he would be starting. In today's NFL the best guys play. Look around the league at how many rookies start now.
I have been among the biggest Wheeler supporters here  
Jay on the Island : 9/15/2017 5:49 pm : link
since he was signed but I am not sure if he is physically strong enough to play just yet. He is the most promising among the backup/PS linemen but he probably needs more time to get stronger.
I saw Ranaan's article speculating on new lineups  
81_Great_Dane : 9/15/2017 5:55 pm : link
He thought the most likely was:

Flowers - Jerry - Richburg - Jones - Pugh

The thinking being that Pugh is their best option at RT; Flowers isn't solid enough to put Jones next to him, and Jerry is better; so you put Jerry in Pugh's spot, and play Jones in Jerry's spot.

I think that gives you a bunch of small problems: Jerry playing out of position at LG; a new guy at RG; and Pugh back at RT for the first time in a long time.

I doubt that Wheeler is anywhere close to being ready for major NFL game action at RT, where he's never even played. But the advantage of putting him there is that instead of a bunch of small problems, you have one great big problem.

If they have to play Wheeler at RT they'd have to consider using the 6-lineman look they used occasionally. Or having Ellison on the right side as a blocking TE for a helluva lotta snaps.
Ideally he gets a year to learn the NFL game and get stronger.  
TC : 9/15/2017 5:57 pm : link
Too bad there ain't nothin' ideal about this offense.
RE: Ideally he gets a year to learn the NFL game and get stronger.  
HomerJones45 : 9/15/2017 6:00 pm : link
In comment 13599962 TC said:
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Too bad there ain't nothin' ideal about this offense.
A year did wonders for Hart.
IDK  
old man : 9/15/2017 6:25 pm : link
about Detroit's DL but this might be a better time to at least start him rather than the possibility of having to put him in, or, in an emergency put him in against the Philly or better defensive front(like Denver's).
RE: RE: Ideally he gets a year to learn the NFL game and get stronger.  
TC : 9/15/2017 6:27 pm : link
In comment 13599968 HomerJones45 said:
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In comment 13599962 TC said:


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Too bad there ain't nothin' ideal about this offense.

A year did wonders for Hart.


Yeah, well, there is that! :-(
And I agree that Flowers - Jerry - Richburg - Jones - Pugh . . . .  
TC : 9/15/2017 6:32 pm : link
may be worth a shot too! I just don't want to see Hart and Jerry getting their asses handed to them game after game, with little to no improvement, but them still starting.
Diehl  
AcidTest : 9/15/2017 7:21 pm : link
was a fifth round pick.
I was pleasantly surprised by him  
Sy'56 : 9/15/2017 7:29 pm : link
in camp...

But no...he isn't close to being ready.
Flowers AND Jerry on the same side?  
McNally's_Nuts : 9/15/2017 7:39 pm : link
Good lord, no fucking way!
RE: RE: Ideally he gets a year to learn the NFL game and get stronger.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/15/2017 8:01 pm : link
In comment 13599968 HomerJones45 said:
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In comment 13599962 TC said:


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Too bad there ain't nothin' ideal about this offense.

A year did wonders for Hart.


There are many examples of players making strides in year two.
My guess Wheeler is next man up at RT  
Blue21 : 9/15/2017 8:07 pm : link
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RE: Flowers AND Jerry on the same side?  
wonderback : 9/15/2017 8:10 pm : link
In comment 13600014 McNally's_Nuts said:
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Good lord, no fucking way!


Are me and you the only two guys that think that?
I'm surprised there hasn't been any chatter about Fluker  
mfsd : 9/15/2017 8:21 pm : link
getting a look. After signing him, doesn't sound like the coaching staff thinks much of him right now
If he is not ready to start on this OL, he never will be ready  
Vanzetti : 9/15/2017 8:21 pm : link
This OL is atrocious.
RE: The devil you know  
KeoweeFan : 9/15/2017 8:46 pm : link
In comment 13599950 ThatLimerickGuy said:
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may be a better option than the devil you don't.

Never forget that. If Wheeler was so outstanding in camp he would be starting. In today's NFL the best guys play. Look around the league at how many rookies start now.

Come on. As you said, how many undrafted free agents start the first game? But isn't reasonable that if they have earned 1st backup position they would be plugged-in in an emergency? Who remembers Wally Pipp? (j/k)
RE: And I agree that Flowers - Jerry - Richburg - Jones - Pugh . . . .  
PatersonPlank : 9/15/2017 8:46 pm : link
In comment 13599980 TC said:
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may be worth a shot too! I just don't want to see Hart and Jerry getting their asses handed to them game after game, with little to no improvement, but them still starting.


I'm sorry but the thought of Flowers and Jerry side by side terrifies me. I would put Jones there, who I think is better than Jerry.
Jones played some LG  
Simms11 : 9/15/2017 9:19 pm : link
last year in place of Pugh, before he got hurt, and did ok. I think they might consider Pugh at RT and Jones at LG. Wheeler is not ready for prime time. He looked bad against 2nd and 3rd teamers in pre-season?! He did have his moments, however, he did also get manhandled a number of times. Strength being the main issue.
Let the D score a safety and a couple of pick-6's  
CT Charlie : 9/15/2017 9:32 pm : link
and then give him a shot.
Maybe someday...  
Giants_West : 9/15/2017 10:15 pm : link
someone will be able to explain to me why Pugh is just completely over looked at LT. I mean ok doesn't have ideal length. Got it, but at this point is he seriously that much worse then starting an undrafted rookie who struggled in the preseason?

Flowers could actually be an asset on the right side of the line. Pugh is passable (or at least no worse than flowers) at LT that is at least a foundation we can build around.

I know it is less likely to happen then us going 4-12 with the same line all year. But it is odd that people can talk endlessly about offensive line overhauls and not see that as the most obvious fix.
history  
Josh in MD : 9/16/2017 1:10 am : link
Not quite, OP. Diehl was drafted in the 5th round, Doug Riesenberg in the 6th.
The idea that the line would bebetter  
joeinpa : 9/16/2017 6:18 am : link
By shifting guys around might just be wishful thinking.

The coaching had an entire off season and training camp to evaluate these guys, and decided upon the same line up.

Richburg Doesn't Get a Pass  
NJLCO : 9/16/2017 7:05 am : link
Clearly we are all in agreement that somehow we have to solve for poor O line play for a number of years specific to last season and so far this season. With Hart hurt which I believe could be a blessing to see if someone steps up. You can not always judge some of the other talent until a game situation (ie Wheeler) Why does Richburg get a pass, he is mentioned with Pugh as if he isn't responsible for what has been going on. I've watched him over and over again and if you give him credit for snapping the ball--I accept that. The rest of his game sucks. He's small, is always pushed back and does nothing to help the other O lineman. Watch this guy...I am telling you he SUCKS
I think..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/16/2017 7:39 am : link
that ideally the best player to inject in a role is the backup to the starter.

In the NFL football league in America, players like Orleans Darkwa who is the backup RB to Perkins from the Los Angeles college in the State of California is easiest back of carrying the football to replace the starting back who runs.

Roger Lewis, the 3rd Roger Lewis directly in his family history, is the easiest player to inject if Odell Beckham, known as OBJ to human people nearest to him, is still injured to the area low on his leg appendage.

I believe all backups are talented and improve with time playing between the whistle blows. Some of these players of the Giants team need to start to reach skill growing status. Plus, if we have a backup play, it might determine who person playing next to him is to be, but for some reason that I cannot translate in Latvian before translating back to English. So I'll just say it and you fine people interacting on Big Blue can digest.
ok basically we're fucked  
gtt350 : 9/16/2017 8:30 am : link
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We are asking,  
Doomster : 9/16/2017 8:53 am : link
an undrafted project, who is not strong enough, and who has played LT in preseason, to play RT?

Where have we seen this before? The more things change, the more they stay the same....

I was disappointed to see an Elite Mobster post yesterday  
Mike from Ohio : 9/16/2017 9:11 am : link
Without a response from FMiC. The world feels more in harmony this morning. Well done, Fats!

As for the original post, no response needed. Since Victor Cruz wandered over here from the Jets for the Saints first round pick, some on this board have grown enamored of the idea that not being drafted means a player is some sort of All Pro just waiting to be unleashed like a craken.
FatMan in Latvia  
lono801 : 9/16/2017 9:42 am : link
Is always a fun read...
At this point simple is best  
Bob in Newburgh : 9/16/2017 9:45 am : link
Fluker directly in at RT.

TE used often to protect his outside by chipping. Knows the position better than Wheeler and unlike Wheeler should not be susceptible to being walked back into the QB.
Fatman  
Elite Mobster #32 : 9/16/2017 10:27 am : link
The Depth chart says Chad Wheeler is next in line to play if Hart is out.





Mobster..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/16/2017 10:39 am : link
Nothing said in my rambling post said otherwise, but thank you for the information on the depth chart.
RE: Fatman  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/16/2017 10:51 am : link
In comment 13600209 Elite Mobster #32 said:
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The Depth chart says Chad Wheeler is next in line to play if Hart is out.

So it took you two rambling paragraphs to say "Chad Wheeler is listed as the backup at RT. Will he play if Bobby Hart can't?"

And what's with the multiple line breaks after your message? You don't need to give it space to breathe.
this will go well  
gtt350 : 9/16/2017 1:12 pm : link
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RE: Diehl  
Del Shofner : 9/16/2017 1:46 pm : link
In comment 13600007 AcidTest said:
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was a fifth round pick.


...and Riesenberg was a 6th round pick.
RE: The devil you know  
WillVAB : 9/16/2017 8:18 pm : link
In comment 13599950 ThatLimerickGuy said:
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may be a better option than the devil you don't.

Never forget that. If Wheeler was so outstanding in camp he would be starting. In today's NFL the best guys play. Look around the league at how many rookies start now.


What's the worst that could happen? Wheeler gets shoved on his ass a millisecond faster than Hart?
yea an undrafted rookie  
Peppers : 9/17/2017 3:30 am : link
makes sense.
RE: yea an undrafted rookie  
Jay on the Island : 9/17/2017 3:54 pm : link
In comment 13600725 Peppers said:
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makes sense.

It is quite absurd to think that an UDFA could start in place of an injured former 7th round pick.
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