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NFT: Is Cabrera the Mets third baseman next season?

spike : 9/16/2017 9:46 am
Asdrubal is putting up a hell of an audition for 2018 and his ability to play a decent 3B helps his case. Cabrera was hitting .417 with six doubles, two home runs and six RBI in the 10 games he has played in September. Since Aug. 25, Cabrera was batting .390 with three homers and 13 RBI in 17 games.

He can still provide a leadership role sorely lacking on this team. There is simply no decent option in free agency except overpaying for Moustakas. Cabrera's option will only be $6 million (net cost), which is a bargain.

I'd rather go for the 2018 free agency market where all the big names are and hunt for some bargains as well.
I'd keep Cabrera  
spike : 9/16/2017 9:52 am : link
and say adios to Reyes.
Cabrear to 2B  
CMicks3110 : 9/16/2017 9:55 am : link
Moustakas to 3B, Reyes to bench, and sign Lance Lynn and call it an off-season, IMO.
Reyes  
CMicks3110 : 9/16/2017 9:57 am : link
in the 2nd half has batted .284 with an .820 OPS. He still steals bases on a team that has no speed. I would bring him back on a 1 year 3-5 million deal to play a utility role.
Going into next season with Cabrera as the starting 3B is a mistake  
Jay on the Island : 9/16/2017 10:07 am : link
If the Mets want to compete next season they have to upgrade the position. If Cabrera is okay with being a reserve then bringing him back makes alot of sense. September stats are not a good indicator for a veteran as many of the young pitchers he is facing are auditioning for roster spots next season.
Yes  
allstarjim : 9/16/2017 10:21 am : link
It is. I've assumed this for quite awhile. I don't think it's a mistake either, Jay. They need to fix their pitching. They will get bumps with the young guys.

They have talked about adding a starter and I hope they get another pen arm like Wade Davis.
RE: Yes  
Jay on the Island : 9/16/2017 10:24 am : link
In comment 13600205 allstarjim said:
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It is. I've assumed this for quite awhile. I don't think it's a mistake either, Jay. They need to fix their pitching. They will get bumps with the young guys.

They have talked about adding a starter and I hope they get another pen arm like Wade Davis.

Which young guys in particular?
If history is any indication  
Jay on the Island : 9/16/2017 10:25 am : link
The Mets aren't going to spend huge on a reliever like Davis.
Sadly,I don't think the Yankees will have a spot for Todd Frazier  
TheMick7 : 9/16/2017 10:51 am : link
I think he'd be a welcome addition to the Mets-very good defensively,power bat,local guy,not injury prone(although that could probably change if he became a Met-lol)
RE: RE: Yes  
PhiPsi125 : 9/16/2017 10:54 am : link
In comment 13600206 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 13600205 allstarjim said:


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It is. I've assumed this for quite awhile. I don't think it's a mistake either, Jay. They need to fix their pitching. They will get bumps with the young guys.

They have talked about adding a starter and I hope they get another pen arm like Wade Davis.


Which young guys in particular?


Rosario, smith and Nimmo?
Of course  
Rflairr : 9/16/2017 11:13 am : link
Because he has a cheap team option. And you know they aren't going to spend on anyone like Moustakas
They will likely pick up his option  
Eric on Li : 9/16/2017 11:19 am : link
where he plays will probably have more to do with what else they are able to get accomplished.
RE: RE: RE: Yes  
Jay on the Island : 9/16/2017 11:40 am : link
In comment 13600230 PhiPsi125 said:
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Rosario, smith and Nimmo?

Rosario is going to be a stud. Smith has been better lately but he is a big downgrade from Duda at the plate. Nimmo is ideally a 4th OF. If Nimmo was a plus defender in CF then he would be a very good option there but the truth is he lacks power and he has no speed but the Mets could get by with him and Lagares in CF as long as Cespedes and Conforto stay healthy and perform well.
The Mets need an upgrade at 3B, 2B and catcher plus some SP depth and some bullpen help.
Not sure Smith is going to be a downgrade from Duda  
pjcas18 : 9/16/2017 11:47 am : link
at all at the plate. Let alone a "big" downgrade.

When you compare their similarly aged seasons, Smith is better across the board in all offensive stats.

Of course this is comparing a HS draft pick with a college player, but so what age and body development don't change because of that.

For example, at 22 years old Duda was in A+ ball and OPS'd .755

At 22 years old Smith is in AAA/MLB and OPS'd .950 in LV. Even adjusted for LV, Smith has surpassed Duda.

Additionally, when you look at Bing as a 21 year old, Smith OPS'd .824, while Duda was still in rookie league.

Duda will likely hit more HR's but Smith (potentially) can be the better hitter. Weight could be an issue with Smith, but maybe being in the big leagues he'll have better meal choices.
According to the sprint speed leaderboard  
CMicks3110 : 9/16/2017 12:41 pm : link
Nimmo is faster than Lagares

and Rosario is the 4th fastest player in MLB
Nimmo  
pjcas18 : 9/16/2017 12:43 pm : link
has speed,but he has a chronic knee issue, so I'm not sure how long he'll have speed. He's a good OBP guy though, so I have no issue with a Nimmo/Lagares platoon until a clear better option comes along.
RE: According to the sprint speed leaderboard  
Jay on the Island : 9/16/2017 12:47 pm : link
In comment 13600265 CMicks3110 said:
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Nimmo is faster than Lagares

and Rosario is the 4th fastest player in MLB

Nimmo has only 2 steals in his entire MLB career thus far.
RE: RE: According to the sprint speed leaderboard  
PhiPsi125 : 9/16/2017 1:06 pm : link
In comment 13600268 Jay on the Island said:
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Nimmo is faster than Lagares

and Rosario is the 4th fastest player in MLB


Nimmo has only 2 steals in his entire MLB career thus far.


Nimmo has a whopping 224 career plate appearances and plays in an era where stolen bases aren't a big part of the game and, specifically, on a team that hates stealing bases. But sure, he's not fast because he only has two stolen bases in his MLB career so far.

You really have a double standard when talking about the Braves/Mets.
Goodby to Cabrera  
Earl the goat : 9/16/2017 1:07 pm : link
Resign Reyes for utility IF and mentor to Rosario
Go out and trade for Machado and non tender Harvey and call it an off season
RE: RE: RE: According to the sprint speed leaderboard  
Jay on the Island : 9/16/2017 1:16 pm : link
In comment 13600277 PhiPsi125 said:
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In comment 13600268 Jay on the Island said:


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In comment 13600265 CMicks3110 said:


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Nimmo is faster than Lagares

and Rosario is the 4th fastest player in MLB


Nimmo has only 2 steals in his entire MLB career thus far.



Nimmo has a whopping 224 career plate appearances and plays in an era where stolen bases aren't a big part of the game and, specifically, on a team that hates stealing bases. But sure, he's not fast because he only has two stolen bases in his MLB career so far.

You really have a double standard when talking about the Braves/Mets.

My point was that he isn't a threat to steal bases which would be very valuable with a guy like him and his high OBP since he doesn't have much power and his defense isn't plus in CF. Nimmo has 37 steals and 30 CS in a whopping 2502 PA in the minors. Care to elaborate on the double standard comment?

RE: Goodby to Cabrera  
Jay on the Island : 9/16/2017 1:18 pm : link
In comment 13600279 Earl the goat said:
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Resign Reyes for utility IF and mentor to Rosario
Go out and trade for Machado and non tender Harvey and call it an off season

They have to tender Harvey as Dan pointed out he only has about 1.5 million in guarantees in his deal. As for Machado the cost would be great and the risk of losing him in FA is too big of a chance to make.
make = take  
Jay on the Island : 9/16/2017 1:18 pm : link
...
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arcarsenal : 9/16/2017 1:26 pm : link
Can the Mets just cancel next season?
Non-tendering  
DanMetroMan : 9/16/2017 1:27 pm : link
Harvey is asinine. He's guaranteed approx what they paid Tommy Milone this season. Would be a truly moronic decision.
As mentioned above, Nimmo has had chronic knee issues which  
PhiPsi125 : 9/16/2017 1:36 pm : link
may have contributed to the lack of stolen bases. Again, this is an organization that values stolen bases less than probably every other team. They just don't do it. You think a minor leaguer getting called up and getting sporadic playing time for a team to that won't steal....is going to steal a lot of bases? And please, you didn't bring up the lack of stolen bases as some great benefit we are missing out on. You brought it up as a way to support your claim that he has no speed...which is not true at all.

As for the double standard, you constantly talk up the Braves as if they are going to be the toast of the town because of your prospects but you have no problem downplaying the Mets prospects. Which is cool, I guess. Everyone's got their own opinion.
RE: As mentioned above, Nimmo has had chronic knee issues which  
Jay on the Island : 9/16/2017 1:49 pm : link
In comment 13600306 PhiPsi125 said:
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may have contributed to the lack of stolen bases. Again, this is an organization that values stolen bases less than probably every other team. They just don't do it. You think a minor leaguer getting called up and getting sporadic playing time for a team to that won't steal....is going to steal a lot of bases? And please, you didn't bring up the lack of stolen bases as some great benefit we are missing out on. You brought it up as a way to support your claim that he has no speed...which is not true at all.

As for the double standard, you constantly talk up the Braves as if they are going to be the toast of the town because of your prospects but you have no problem downplaying the Mets prospects. Which is cool, I guess. Everyone's got their own opinion.

You clearly misunderstood what I meant about his speed. Sorry maybe I worded it poorly. When I said he had little speed I meant that he doesn't steal many bases. I didn't mean his 40 time or anything like that.

As for the Braves I have been very critical of their ML team and many of their prospects including Wisler, Blair, Peterson, Ruiz, etc. The ones I raved about were Albies, Acuna, Allard, Soroka, Gohara, Minter, Newcomb, Riley, and Fried. Which Mets prospects have I been downplaying?
I raved about Rosario even calling him a future superstar. I have never been a fan of Smith as I just wasn't sure if his power would be enough to be an elite 1B. The Braves have the number one farm system in baseball and the Mets is ranked in the bottom 5-10 but I guess that's just media bias.
Nice backtrack on the speed comment on Nimmo. It clearly  
PhiPsi125 : 9/16/2017 2:03 pm : link
wasn't in regard to stolen bases as you say, but that's fine.

Not sure why you bring up the Mets farm system...we all know it's not great right now after the graduates over the past few seasons when they were a top farm system. Braves farm system is good, no doubt. But you've always been waaaaay high on your prospects. There's only so many times I can hear you talk about having 5 cy young contenders in your rotation, lol. Sorry, not looking to argue about it.
RE: Nice backtrack on the speed comment on Nimmo. It clearly  
Jay on the Island : 9/16/2017 2:09 pm : link
In comment 13600321 PhiPsi125 said:
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wasn't in regard to stolen bases as you say, but that's fine.

Not sure why you bring up the Mets farm system...we all know it's not great right now after the graduates over the past few seasons when they were a top farm system. Braves farm system is good, no doubt. But you've always been waaaaay high on your prospects. There's only so many times I can hear you talk about having 5 cy young contenders in your rotation, lol. Sorry, not looking to argue about it.

Im not back tracking that was my point. Did I say Nimmo was too slow to play the OF? LOL you are ridiculous when did I ever say there was one cy young contender in their system? You tell me that I am critical of the Mets prospects then ask me why I mention the Mets farm system? I am high on a FEW of their prospects just like BA, BP, Keith Law and several experts are. The Braves gutted their team in order to rebuild and it has been a long road and frustrating few years but I have every right to be excited. I don't know how we went from Nimmo's lack of stolen bases to this.
He is definitely coming back  
Vanzetti : 9/16/2017 2:20 pm : link
It's a mistake imo given his comments. Yeah, he took them back after the media furor but is that the kind of guy you want mentoring young guys like Rosario? Remember when another great Sandy pick, Frankie Francisco, told Mejia to stay on the injured list and collect his paycheck for nothing?

Plus, he is not that good. Batted .250 most of the year and was a horror show in the field. Now, he has a hot streak and they pick up his option? Typical Mets. Cuddyer, Cabrrra, D'Aza, . . Never ends. Why not sign Darvish or some other legit free agent?

Sandy doesn't believe in it. Well Sandy has averaged 77 wins over his seven years. Textbook example of a mediocre GM. Let's try something else


Syndergaard not pitching this weekend in ATL  
spike : 9/16/2017 5:34 pm : link
ATLANTA - The Mets have changed their plans with Noah Syndergaard.

After saying he did not need to face hitters in a simulated game before pitching in a game, they reversed course.

Syndergaard, who was readying to get back in a game on Sunday, will now pitch a simulated game early next week. The Mets still plan to have him get in a game before the end of the season.

The reason for the change seems to be that they are concerned about him amping up the intensity too quickly.
good move - ( New Window )
CMIcks  
Hilary : 9/16/2017 6:19 pm : link
Agree completely with CMicks.Mets need to try to sign Moustakis or upgrade third base with a trade and obtain a good starting pitcher. Plawecki is playing as well as anyone they can obtain to catch.I would trade or release D'Arnaud. Plawecki, Flores/Smith, Cabrera or Reyes at second, Rosario, Moustakis,Cespedes,Nimmo/Lagares, and Conforto is a competitive team.
RE: Non-tendering  
Earl the goat : 9/16/2017 6:21 pm : link
In comment 13600298 DanMetroMan said:
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Harvey is asinine. He's guaranteed approx what they paid Tommy Milone this season. Would be a truly moronic decision.


Harvey's Mets career is over after the 2018 season
There's no way Boras let's him resign and there's no way Sandy gives him the money he's going to want


There's also no way they ever resign Cespedes  
Eric on Li : 9/16/2017 6:35 pm : link
it's amazing that baseball is the most volatile sport when it comes to predicting just about anything and yet there can't be a Met thread without near certainty that any data point can be used to predict future bad performance. Smith can't be as good as Duda and his 1.5 WAR this year? Oy it's going to be a long offseason.
RE: RE: Non-tendering  
DanMetroMan : 9/16/2017 6:49 pm : link
In comment 13600473 Earl the goat said:
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In comment 13600298 DanMetroMan said:


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Harvey is asinine. He's guaranteed approx what they paid Tommy Milone this season. Would be a truly moronic decision.



Harvey's Mets career is over after the 2018 season
There's no way Boras let's him resign and there's no way Sandy gives him the money he's going to want



And? Because he's not a long term Met is not a reason to let him walk for NOTHING when you can bring him to ST and release him at the end of ST for 1-1.5 million. There absolutely no upside to non-tendering him. Saving 1-1.5 million vs. the outside chance he bounces back? What would be the point? You are saving Tommy Milone money to non-tender him, this isn't "non-tender Harvey and you can sign Darvish". If he somehow surprises you he helps the 2018 Mets AND is a trade chip.
stop talking crazy Dan  
Eric on Li : 9/16/2017 6:56 pm : link
Harvey has never suffered a major injury and shown the ability to come back strong the following year.
RE: CMIcks  
Shecky : 9/16/2017 8:40 pm : link
In comment 13600471 Hilary said:
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Plawecki is playing as well as anyone they can obtain to catch.I would trade or release D'Arnaud.

Oh, my heart just skipped a beat ;)
There is a clause in Cabrera's contract  
Vanzetti : 9/16/2017 8:49 pm : link
That if his option is picked up that he gets to play SS sitting in a beach chair with an umbrella. Sandy is ok with this because his research shows that it will not greatly reduce Cabrera's percentage of balls fielded
RE: RE: CMIcks  
spike : 9/16/2017 10:01 pm : link
In comment 13600553 Shecky said:
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Plawecki is playing as well as anyone they can obtain to catch.I would trade or release D'Arnaud.


Oh, my heart just skipped a beat ;)


Most Mets fans have given up on TDA and are boarding the Plawecki train.

Until Nido's turn
Yes they’ll sell you on  
Rflairr : 9/17/2017 10:30 am : link
A Nimmo/Lageras platoon in CF, Cabera at 3B, Plawecki at Catcher, and Smith at 1B.

Just cross your fingers they at least spend some money on the bullpen, so they can at least stay within 10 games of the Nats
Trains filling up fast  
Shecky : 9/17/2017 11:17 am : link
Allllllll abooooaaaarrrddddd
Not  
DanMetroMan : 9/17/2017 6:01 pm : link
a huge Plawecki guy but I think he has a better chance of being a solid MLB starter than Nido
Cecchini goes 3-4 yesterday, so of course bench him for Reyes today  
Eric on Li : 9/17/2017 6:12 pm : link
not usually a "Collins sucks" guy but that's just stupidity for stupidity's sake.
RE: He is definitely coming back  
SethFromAstoria : 9/17/2017 6:27 pm : link
In comment 13600332 Vanzetti said:
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It's a mistake imo given his comments. Yeah, he took them back after the media furor but is that the kind of guy you want mentoring young guys like Rosario? Remember when another great Sandy pick, Frankie Francisco, told Mejia to stay on the injured list and collect his paycheck for nothing?

Plus, he is not that good. Batted .250 most of the year and was a horror show in the field. Now, he has a hot streak and they pick up his option? Typical Mets. Cuddyer, Cabrrra, D'Aza, . . Never ends. Why not sign Darvish or some other legit free agent?

Sandy doesn't believe in it. Well Sandy has averaged 77 wins over his seven years. Textbook example of a mediocre GM. Let's try something else



The Mets went to the playoffs 2 years in a row and the World Series one year. In his tenure and the managers tenure the team has been whole for maybe 1 and a half seasons. if they are to blame for building a team with only 5 ace pitchers and 3 backups for 3 4 and 5 spots, plus have a closer and a closer set up man, on paper a team ready to compete for a title and have injuries to literally the whole team....

How do you watch this shit I don't know how you watch and are unable to assign a contextual reason for things that goes beyond the literal current win loss record.


If the Mets can sign the Greek and tell Cabrera he will be the super utility infielder I can't understand how he is looked at as anything but a completely successful player here. Any idea that is negative about this player is just insane. The guy has had his best years here and his Ops is a full 50 points higher here than anywhere he's been. He has been clutch and a stable force.....and he makes 8.25 mil, a bargain. I'm so confused by the ignorance.... I wish there was a way to understand what some people think beyond the random words they post here because it's so often the actual opposite of what happens.
If Cabrera is the every-day 3B next year,  
Section331 : 9/18/2017 11:07 am : link
it will only be due to the Mets' cheaping out again. He has an OPS of 1.300 in September, when he's facing AAA pitchers. That shouldn't influence his role next year. It should be either him or Jose as the backup infielder, that is his best role.
IFA  
DanMetroMan : 9/18/2017 11:23 am : link
Nuts- “Teams are agreeing with players for 2020 now, that’s how far out it is,” Radcliff said. “Almost all of the best guys for next [July] are locked up already and off the market. And since everybody wants a [top player], to assure you get one, you have to move on to the next year, and the next one.”
RE: IFA  
Jay on the Island : 9/18/2017 12:52 pm : link
In comment 13601867 DanMetroMan said:
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Nuts- “Teams are agreeing with players for 2020 now, that’s how far out it is,” Radcliff said. “Almost all of the best guys for next [July] are locked up already and off the market. And since everybody wants a [top player], to assure you get one, you have to move on to the next year, and the next one.”

That is incredible that teams are essentially agreeing to million dollar deals with 13-14 year olds.
Baseball should be the way to go  
spike : 9/18/2017 1:07 pm : link
For young athletes. Million dollar signings even at 17/18.

You wont get that in NFL and Nba
Sadly, Cabrera's option needs to be picked up  
ZGiants98 : 9/18/2017 1:50 pm : link
He agreed to move off SS so his atrocious defense there is mitigated. He hasn't been terrible at 3B or 2B actually and now his offense has picked up. I hate the guy's attitude and I am no longer a fan but from a value standpoint, the Mets would be moronic to decline his option at this point.

I'd love Reyes back for the bench also but I think he's outplayed any sort of backup role. He might get a decent little contract with another team that guarantees playing time.
I think Nimmo has been great  
ZGiants98 : 9/18/2017 1:54 pm : link
and it's nice Reyes and Cabrera have really picked it up over the second half but they are all murking up 2018 a little.

I still think we need to bring Bruce back but did Nimmo just show the front office he should be considered as a starter? Does Cabrera prevent them from adding a 2B/3B?

I think Smith and Rosario are locks for next year, and they should be but there is still a questionable variance on how they will perform. Will they be league average guys or will the be 20% over league average guys? Because of this uncertainty, I would want to hedge my bets and add another sure bat or two. There just isnt a clear path to doing that at the moment.
Plawecki/TDA is fine for next year...  
ZGiants98 : 9/18/2017 1:57 pm : link
Believe it not, TDA has had a decent September also. I'm no longer convinced he's ever going to be some good/great player but Plawecki/TDA "as is" is still likely average-ish production out of the position in 2018 with a little upside yet.
If Smith struggles  
Jay on the Island : 9/18/2017 2:34 pm : link
at least the Mets have a very solid backup option in Flores. I think it would be a mistake to spend on Bruce since it would likely cost them a great deal of their remaining budget that they need to upgrade 3B, SP, RP and possibly 2B.
Todd Frasier  
spike : 9/18/2017 2:34 pm : link
Might be a good hedge for 1st and 3rd base
I  
DanMetroMan : 9/18/2017 2:39 pm : link
suspect Todd Frazier gets a better contract than people expect.
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