Watching Denver and Dallas

and was thinking a lot about our offense too. When you look at it, our offense really is built ass backwards. We matched an aging immobile QB at the back end of his career with the worst OL in the league and no running game. So, we have one great weapon to throw to but our QB cannot get him the ball.

Seems like we would have been better off building the best line in the league with a top RB and then let the WRs be just average guys (no OBJ). I think this offense would be more productive that way.

You'll go in circles. It simply doesn't work.

Enjoy the butt kicking DAL is getting, and the one PHI got.

Eli definitely should spend more time there

With CJ Anderson. Dude runs hard on every play.

In comment 13601445 EricJ said:

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and was thinking a lot about our offense too. When you look at it, our offense really is built ass backwards. We matched an aging immobile QB at the back end of his career with the worst OL in the league and no running game. So, we have one great weapon to throw to but our QB cannot get him the ball. Seems like we would have been better off building the best line in the league with a top RB and then let the WRs be just average guys (no OBJ). I think this offense would be more productive that way.

They have certainly tried to rebuild the line. We have 2 1st round picks and a 2nd invested in our line. So saying we didn't try to do something is a false statement.

not last in the NFC East after tomorrow. Thats the best thought I have had all week.

grizz? Why the fuck would we be bashing the coach on a thread about watching Dallas vs. Denver? He's teflon because we aren't rambling in non-paragraphical form and butchering the names of players?


Just a strange fucking moron.

And he is old. So the incoherent post is from being senile.

In comment 13601453 BigBlueDownTheShore said:

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In comment 13601445 EricJ said: Quote: and was thinking a lot about our offense too. When you look at it, our offense really is built ass backwards. We matched an aging immobile QB at the back end of his career with the worst OL in the league and no running game. So, we have one great weapon to throw to but our QB cannot get him the ball. Seems like we would have been better off building the best line in the league with a top RB and then let the WRs be just average guys (no OBJ). I think this offense would be more productive that way. They have certainly tried to rebuild the line. We have 2 1st round picks and a 2nd invested in our line. So saying we didn't try to do something is a false statement.

Hey neighbor... don't put words in my mouth. If you look at my original post, I did not say that we did not try. I said we have the worst OL in the league.

Now, to the point you were trying to make.. sure they tried. However, they failed AND they knew it before going into this off season. They chose THIS OFF SEASON to focus on other areas of the offense.

In comment 13601465 EricJ said:

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In comment 13601453 BigBlueDownTheShore said: Quote: In comment 13601445 EricJ said: Quote: and was thinking a lot about our offense too. When you look at it, our offense really is built ass backwards. We matched an aging immobile QB at the back end of his career with the worst OL in the league and no running game. So, we have one great weapon to throw to but our QB cannot get him the ball. Seems like we would have been better off building the best line in the league with a top RB and then let the WRs be just average guys (no OBJ). I think this offense would be more productive that way. They have certainly tried to rebuild the line. We have 2 1st round picks and a 2nd invested in our line. So saying we didn't try to do something is a false statement. Hey neighbor... don't put words in my mouth. If you look at my original post, I did not say that we did not try. I said we have the worst OL in the league. Now, to the point you were trying to make.. sure they tried. However, they failed AND they knew it before going into this off season. They chose THIS OFF SEASON to focus on other areas of the offense.

Who were we signing with the little amount of cap space we had? Also who would have drafted neighbor?

Might set a single game sack record vs our OL.

People under sold how bad our OL is. Easily the worst in the league. Our OL looks like 3 or 4 of the starters got hurt in the preseason.

Good to see Dallas losing but their defense is talentless. Frustrating week 1 loss.

address every deficiency each year? Obviously not. Luck plays a big part, e.g. do free agents mesh, which draft choices develop, etc.

What if we let the season play out -- while, of course, hoping for the best (even though some here would seem to prefer a lousy season so as to blame Reese & McAdoo).

Denver probably isn't this good, Dallas probably isn't that bad and the Giants probably aren't as bad as last week showed.

One week at a time. Just win tomorrow. Doesn't matter how pretty. Doesn't matter if the offense looks just ok. Just win. Style points don't matter, especially this early on.

Dallas isn't stopping anyone in a big spot this year. They lost two more corners today.:...

In comment 13601446 Sy'56 said:

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You'll go in circles. It simply doesn't work. Enjoy the butt kicking DAL is getting, and the one PHI got.

Exactly. And I'll say it again and again, forget about style points. Just get a win. I can already here the bitching that will commence tomorrow even if the Giants win.

nothing. Just look at the results. Give me O'Hara and Seubert any day, high picks mean squat if they can't play. And the OL isn't like the backup LB or a fullback, it's been a glaring weakness for years. We can't afford to wait to address it until the stars align. Let's stockpile DL, DB, and WR every year and just put two turnstiles out there to protect our lead-footed franchise QB. I don't know about you but that sounds like a great idea!!

Our defense held Dallas pretty good too, especially when you consider Giants were on the road and they were on the field forever against Dallas last week. Our defense and Denver defense are in the same league.

Our offense is pathetic. Denver's offense isn't terrific but it's much better than the Giants. Dallas's defense is not good at all.

His post is poorly done. But using a horrid disease like dementia or senality as a throw away line is just in poor taste, even for this place.

I m sure you meant nothing by it. But it s a cruel disease and should be off base even here.

Not judging or trying to lecture, I just think maybe you don t truly understand the far reaching impact of that disease.

In comment 13601445 EricJ said:

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and was thinking a lot about our offense too. When you look at it, our offense really is built ass backwards. We matched an aging immobile QB at the back end of his career with the worst OL in the league and no running game. So, we have one great weapon to throw to but our QB cannot get him the ball. Seems like we would have been better off building the best line in the league with a top RB and then let the WRs be just average guys (no OBJ). I think this offense would be more productive that way.

Yeah, our QB cannot get him the ball... right. Do you even watch football?

offense is bottom of the league again. Thanks front office consensus, you suck.

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Obvious that our TMS : 10:27 pm : link : reply offense is bottom of the league again. Thanks front office consensus, you suck.

Even if this ends up being true, saying anything is obvious after one game is pure idiocy. Was the Giants defense obviously complete shit after two games in 2007?

Starting to worry that the only fucking person that knew what the fuck he was doing at all was Coughlin, and that Reese and McAdoo are garbage.

nuf said.

about what our O could be like behind either OL because, barring a miracle, we will not see what a successful Mc O scheme looks like with Eli at QB...and I'm not sure a mobile QB can do any better under our cast of characters.
Also I have no fear of losing our FA OLs...who'd want any of them?

In comment 13601551 PaulN said:

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Starting to worry that the only fucking person that knew what the fuck he was doing at all was Coughlin, and that Reese and McAdoo are garbage.

I love TC as much as anyone on this forum but I really have to ask this question. How many games we win last year?????

Is a really interesting when you think of the Giants. They went out and signed Ronald Leary and drafted Garrett Bolles in the first round. A clear prerogative of wht they had to do ... of course it's not apples to apples but I digress

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Starting to worry that the only fucking person that knew what the fuck he was doing at all was Coughlin, and that Reese and McAdoo are garbage.

God your awful

40 yards allowed to Dallas by Denver.

392 vs. 268 total. Our offense isn't the only unit overrated in the preseason.

Yes, it would've been great to possess the ball longer, give our D a breather and win the ToP...but as we all witnessed, and as Coach pointed out, the D couldn't get themselves of the field.

In comment 13601591 SHO'NUFF said:

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40 yards allowed to Dallas by Denver. 392 vs. 268 total. Our offense isn't the only unit overrated in the preseason. Yes, it would've been great to possess the ball longer, give our D a breather and win the ToP...but as we all witnessed, and as Coach pointed out, the D couldn't get themselves of the field.

Different circumstances. Denver controlled the ball. Their D was fresh.

Also, Dallas had the lead against us and ran more to control possession. They threw the ball against Denver.

they couldn't stop the run and get off the field.

In comment 13601469 BigBlueDownTheShore said:

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In comment 13601465 EricJ said: Quote: In comment 13601453 BigBlueDownTheShore said: Quote: In comment 13601445 EricJ said: Quote: and was thinking a lot about our offense too. When you look at it, our offense really is built ass backwards. We matched an aging immobile QB at the back end of his career with the worst OL in the league and no running game. So, we have one great weapon to throw to but our QB cannot get him the ball. Seems like we would have been better off building the best line in the league with a top RB and then let the WRs be just average guys (no OBJ). I think this offense would be more productive that way. They have certainly tried to rebuild the line. We have 2 1st round picks and a 2nd invested in our line. So saying we didn't try to do something is a false statement. Hey neighbor... don't put words in my mouth. If you look at my original post, I did not say that we did not try. I said we have the worst OL in the league. Now, to the point you were trying to make.. sure they tried. However, they failed AND they knew it before going into this off season. They chose THIS OFF SEASON to focus on other areas of the offense. were we signing with the little amount of cap space we had? Also who would have drafted neighbor?

Limited cap space? We still have over $10m in cap space.

We have 2 first round picks and 1 second round pick, plus every year we have picked up a FA or two. The problem is we have not spent for the big time FA or traded for one and the guys we have signed have mostly beeN Co sidereal backup talent. Jerry is in that category, but we inexplicably re-signed him to start .

That is where I have a problem. Jones, who also has his flaws, outplayed Jerry this summer. Yet, Jerry remains the starter and Jones barely put a dent in the snaps with the first unit. Just because we implemented a WCO to combat a bad line doesn't mean we have to put out one of the worst lines we realistically can. I have less problem with Hart because he did improve and he played better than the potential replacements. Let's hope he gets healthy and can show something.

Hard to explain, but it happens. Remember back to that 2011 first elimination game against the Jets? Until that electrifying 100 yard TD catch by Cruz they had been sleepwalking even though a loss meant the end of the season. After the catch the team woke up.

This vaunted defense should not have allowed Zeke 5 or 6 yards on first down. That kept the Cowboys moving down the field. If they were having trouble getting into the backfield they should have sent the DB's like they did last year. If they come out fired up tonight and whip the Lions then we can get our sanity back.

Dallas's offense was shut down by Denver's D, and Denver's offense just fed off it.

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Hard to explain, but it happens. Remember back to that 2011 first elimination game against the Jets? Until that electrifying 100 yard TD catch by Cruz they had been sleepwalking even though a loss meant the end of the season. After the catch the team woke up. This vaunted defense should not have allowed Zeke 5 or 6 yards on first down. That kept the Cowboys moving down the field. If they were having trouble getting into the backfield they should have sent the DB's like they did last year. If they come out fired up tonight and whip the Lions then we can get our sanity back.

Yeah, that is the aspect I don't get. You are playing your biggest rival, you've had 8 months to prepare for it and you come that flat, that uninspired? Now it's easy to say losing OBJ for that game is a key factor which it is, but we upgraded 2 key spots and added a huge asset to the blocking game with Ellison which should have compensated somewhat for that loss.

But the most worrisome aspect to take from that game was how outcoached we were. How unimaginative and out of rhythm they were on Offense and how uninspired on D. Dallas did not do anything more than sit in Zone and we had no answer for that at all, and that was against a D missing some key players that is avg at best when 100%.

It makes you wonder if those 11 wins last season happened in spite of our coaching not because of it

In comment 13601634 montanagiant said:

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In comment 13601606 SB 42 and 46 and ? said: Quote: Hard to explain, but it happens. Remember back to that 2011 first elimination game against the Jets? Until that electrifying 100 yard TD catch by Cruz they had been sleepwalking even though a loss meant the end of the season. After the catch the team woke up. This vaunted defense should not have allowed Zeke 5 or 6 yards on first down. That kept the Cowboys moving down the field. If they were having trouble getting into the backfield they should have sent the DB's like they did last year. If they come out fired up tonight and whip the Lions then we can get our sanity back. Yeah, that is the aspect I don't get. You are playing your biggest rival, you've had 8 months to prepare for it and you come that flat, that uninspired? Now it's easy to say losing OBJ for that game is a key factor which it is, but we upgraded 2 key spots and added a huge asset to the blocking game with Ellison which should have compensated somewhat for that loss. But the most worrisome aspect to take from that game was how outcoached we were. How unimaginative and out of rhythm they were on Offense and how uninspired on D. Dallas did not do anything more than sit in Zone and we had no answer for that at all, and that was against a D missing some key players that is avg at best when 100%. It makes you wonder if those 11 wins last season happened in spite of our coaching not because of it

The 11 wins are fool's gold. So many want to heap praise at Ben's feet for "coaching to the strength of the team" when in fact it was Spags who had the defense playing out of their mind. None of the 11 wins were definitive wins. Sure a win is a win when it comes to the statistical record. But people are being intellectually dishonest with themselves if they consider barely winning over the likes of the Saints and the Bengals as some recognition of dominance. Shoot, our most convincing win last season was against the Browns. Yet somehow with the improvements on offense in the off-season, we were led to believe that the Giants were Superbowl contenders.

the defense...

Did you guys take the same position when we won the 07 SB scoring only 17 points and holding a prolific offense to 14? Did Spags win that one alone too?

Look, I'm not blaming last week on the defense at all, but they certainly didn't do themselves any favors. Here are the play counts of the Dallas drives in the 1st half:

9 plays
9 plays (FG)
15 plays! (FG)
7 plays
7 plays (TD)
7 plays (FG)

I don't see a single three and out. In fact, they didn't force a single three and out in the entire game.

The offense was awful, no doubt. I don't think it would have mattered if they got the ball at the 50 with how poorly everyone played. But the D still didn't help themselves by allowing long, time consuming drives. They weren't blameless in the loss.

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the defense... Did you guys take the same position when we won the 07 SB scoring only 17 points and holding a prolific offense to 14? Did Spags win that one alone too?

What? Are you trying to use one game as an analogy to the last 18 we played? I don't see any logic whatsoever in this comparison. You have arguably the greatest team ever in the NFL vs a better than avg team, you have one game as proof vs a season's worth, you have a whole body of good work to judge by prior to that SB with just the playoffs alone. Each one of those Playoff wins prior to the SB featured good offense and Defense. This is inapplicable in every sense.

There was nothing on Offense this last game and very little to be excited about from last year. We supposedly eliminated our one-dimensionality with the addition of two TE's, Vereen coming back, going with youth at RB, and adding Brandon Marshall. Yet we actually had our worst offensive game in years last Sunday.

In comment 13601695 montanagiant said:

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In comment 13601652 jcn56 said: Quote: the defense... Did you guys take the same position when we won the 07 SB scoring only 17 points and holding a prolific offense to 14? Did Spags win that one alone too? What? Are you trying to use one game as an analogy to the last 18 we played? I don't see any logic whatsoever in this comparison. You have arguably the greatest team ever in the NFL vs a better than avg team, you have one game as proof vs a season's worth, you have a whole body of good work to judge by prior to that SB with just the playoffs alone. Each one of those Playoff wins prior to the SB featured good offense and Defense. This is inapplicable in every sense. There was nothing on Offense this last game and very little to be excited about from last year. We supposedly eliminated our one-dimensionality with the addition of two TE's, Vereen coming back, going with youth at RB, and adding Brandon Marshall. Yet we actually had our worst offensive game in years last Sunday.

Better than avg team = Dallas

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100% agree, but we only needed our team to score 20 not 41

I was ecstatic last night.

Dallas gets embarrassed. Eagles lose. Everyone else is 1-1.

Last week was last week. Giants have to take care of business. Lots on the line tonight in the home opener.

FIRED UP! No time for Debbie Downers. LET'S GO!!!

to come around and give an inspirational speech.

In comment 13601551 PaulN said:

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Starting to worry that the only fucking person that knew what the fuck he was doing at all was Coughlin, and that Reese and McAdoo are garbage.

This could be true and agree; but the decision was made by Tisch IMO not so much Mara. Think Coughlin should have been given another year with the upgrades we made in FA. Defense the year before would have made the difference that year. We could have kept all these same coaches and let TC do the rest, one more time.

world where we didn't really go 11-5 last year and instead went 2-14 and Mac needs to be run out of town?

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world where we didn't really go 11-5 last year and instead went 2-14 and Mac needs to be run out of town?

Haven't you heard? After one game, people aren't accepting that "11-5" shit anymore!

won a Super Bowl. Sometimes you have to delve deeper.

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world where we didn't really go 11-5 last year and instead went 2-14 and Mac needs to be run out of town?

FatMan - Criticize McAdoo for the offense, not overall as HC. This team went 11-5 last year because of the D. Reese addressed several holes and players stepped up. We went from a bottom 5 D to a top 10 D in one season. The jump was much greater than I ever imagined. However, the offense took a step backward last year. We became extremely 1 dimensional, relying on a big play from OBJ to score.

Last year + last week we have not seen the same offense McAdoo ran for 2 seasons as OC. I don't buy the OL excuse because this OL is not any worse than the one he was working with as OC. He was brought in to install his version of the WCO in order to combat a terrible OL. In those 2 seasons Eli was perhaps the best we've seen him and the offense was moving the ball and scoring with lestt talent at all the skill positions other than QB. Now, we have better talent, a relatively equal OL (equally bad), and for all intents and purposes the same OC, yet the offense goes huge stretches of looking absolutely inept, has no flow, no obvious purpose or plan, etc. Last week, that was only exacerbated by the absence of OBJ.

Again, I have a hard time criticizing McAdoo as HC. But, I do think he deserves criticism for the offense.

that's fair - but so many people here act like Mac is an incompetent boob. He gets no credit for the D and all the blame for the O, and people who were gleefully trying to break Coughlin's hip pushing him out the door are now waxing poetically about his tenure in relation to Mac's.

I know overreaction is a BBI staple, but this year it is obscene.

My takeaway from this game was exactly what I thought most of the week..

Our defense can, and should have been better that night.