Watching Denver and Dallas

yes easy to feel worse now...denver shitting on them offensively....we literally couldnt do anything. its sad. that being said dallas has scored TWO offensive TDs this year....one as a result of a bullshit PI and the other as a fumble gifted to them on the three yard line....

translation: dallas offense FAR from dominant right now

issues on offense. Until we get them fixed I don't expect much.

Every game is it's own entity. I don't this is any more a negative reflection on how bad the Giants were. I'm thoroughly enjoying every second of this.

think so.

non functional at times

He has 11 yards after 3 quarters. I'm happy!!!

at this same bronco defense in about a month. Yikes

Watching most games, I can't help wishing Eli enjoyed a traditional U-shaped pocket even once in awhile. A good pocket for Eli nowadays is a bad pocket for all the better teams -- shallow and brief.

the Giants rolled out this offensive line seeing what happened last year with the same unit. They literally may have trashed this whole season by what the didn't do in the offseason. Denver (and the Eagles) are going to have a sack fest. Scary

early in the year. When is the last time you saw the Broncos struggle at home early in the year?

Extrapolating what the results would be vs. the Giants is like speculating how many points the Mini Ditka's would score.

but of course it sucks. It could be a mix of our offense is really that bad, especially without OBJ and/or also (really hoping it's this) 'it was only week one.' Everyone wants to blame someone but it's a team-game, and just need to start executing, every play someone else is making a critical mistake.

In comment 13601436 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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early in the year. When is the last time you saw the Broncos struggle at home early in the year? Extrapolating what the results would be vs. the Giants is like speculating how many points the Mini Ditka's would score.

The Denver defense looks very good, while the Giants offense has struggled since last season. I don't think i'm making any mighty leap to suggest the Giants offense will be a serious mismatch against denver's defense.

In comment 13601436 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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early in the year. When is the last time you saw the Broncos struggle at home early in the year? Extrapolating what the results would be vs. the Giants is like speculating how many points the Mini Ditka's would score.

granted..16-5 @ home goungbup til first week of oct..since 2010

but c'mon this giants offense is at its worse if you may not think so.

Enough. Denver has run the ball efficiently and it starts with just going under center. They also didn't give up on the run. Took pressure off of their oline.

Now they have the d biting on the run in playaction. It's a bueatiful thing.

"Get right game", as Carl Banks says a lot.

and was thinking a lot about our offense too. When you look at it, our offense really is built ass backwards. We matched an aging immobile QB at the back end of his career with the worst OL in the league and no running game. So, we have one great weapon to throw to but our QB cannot get him the ball.

Seems like we would have been better off building the best line in the league with a top RB and then let the WRs be just average guys (no OBJ). I think this offense would be more productive that way.

You'll go in circles. It simply doesn't work.

Enjoy the butt kicking DAL is getting, and the one PHI got.

Eli definitely should spend more time there

With CJ Anderson. Dude runs hard on every play.

In comment 13601445 EricJ said:

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and was thinking a lot about our offense too. When you look at it, our offense really is built ass backwards. We matched an aging immobile QB at the back end of his career with the worst OL in the league and no running game. So, we have one great weapon to throw to but our QB cannot get him the ball. Seems like we would have been better off building the best line in the league with a top RB and then let the WRs be just average guys (no OBJ). I think this offense would be more productive that way.

They have certainly tried to rebuild the line. We have 2 1st round picks and a 2nd invested in our line. So saying we didn't try to do something is a false statement.

not last in the NFC East after tomorrow. Thats the best thought I have had all week.

grizz? Why the fuck would we be bashing the coach on a thread about watching Dallas vs. Denver? He's teflon because we aren't rambling in non-paragraphical form and butchering the names of players?


Just a strange fucking moron.

And he is old. So the incoherent post is from being senile.

In comment 13601453 BigBlueDownTheShore said:

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In comment 13601445 EricJ said: Quote: and was thinking a lot about our offense too. When you look at it, our offense really is built ass backwards. We matched an aging immobile QB at the back end of his career with the worst OL in the league and no running game. So, we have one great weapon to throw to but our QB cannot get him the ball. Seems like we would have been better off building the best line in the league with a top RB and then let the WRs be just average guys (no OBJ). I think this offense would be more productive that way. They have certainly tried to rebuild the line. We have 2 1st round picks and a 2nd invested in our line. So saying we didn't try to do something is a false statement.

Hey neighbor... don't put words in my mouth. If you look at my original post, I did not say that we did not try. I said we have the worst OL in the league.

Now, to the point you were trying to make.. sure they tried. However, they failed AND they knew it before going into this off season. They chose THIS OFF SEASON to focus on other areas of the offense.

In comment 13601465 EricJ said:

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In comment 13601453 BigBlueDownTheShore said: Quote: In comment 13601445 EricJ said: Quote: and was thinking a lot about our offense too. When you look at it, our offense really is built ass backwards. We matched an aging immobile QB at the back end of his career with the worst OL in the league and no running game. So, we have one great weapon to throw to but our QB cannot get him the ball. Seems like we would have been better off building the best line in the league with a top RB and then let the WRs be just average guys (no OBJ). I think this offense would be more productive that way. They have certainly tried to rebuild the line. We have 2 1st round picks and a 2nd invested in our line. So saying we didn't try to do something is a false statement. Hey neighbor... don't put words in my mouth. If you look at my original post, I did not say that we did not try. I said we have the worst OL in the league. Now, to the point you were trying to make.. sure they tried. However, they failed AND they knew it before going into this off season. They chose THIS OFF SEASON to focus on other areas of the offense.

Who were we signing with the little amount of cap space we had? Also who would have drafted neighbor?

Might set a single game sack record vs our OL.

People under sold how bad our OL is. Easily the worst in the league. Our OL looks like 3 or 4 of the starters got hurt in the preseason.

Good to see Dallas losing but their defense is talentless. Frustrating week 1 loss.

address every deficiency each year? Obviously not. Luck plays a big part, e.g. do free agents mesh, which draft choices develop, etc.

What if we let the season play out -- while, of course, hoping for the best (even though some here would seem to prefer a lousy season so as to blame Reese & McAdoo).

Denver probably isn't this good, Dallas probably isn't that bad and the Giants probably aren't as bad as last week showed.

One week at a time. Just win tomorrow. Doesn't matter how pretty. Doesn't matter if the offense looks just ok. Just win. Style points don't matter, especially this early on.

Dallas isn't stopping anyone in a big spot this year. They lost two more corners today.:...

In comment 13601446 Sy'56 said:

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You'll go in circles. It simply doesn't work. Enjoy the butt kicking DAL is getting, and the one PHI got.

Exactly. And I'll say it again and again, forget about style points. Just get a win. I can already here the bitching that will commence tomorrow even if the Giants win.

nothing. Just look at the results. Give me O'Hara and Seubert any day, high picks mean squat if they can't play. And the OL isn't like the backup LB or a fullback, it's been a glaring weakness for years. We can't afford to wait to address it until the stars align. Let's stockpile DL, DB, and WR every year and just put two turnstiles out there to protect our lead-footed franchise QB. I don't know about you but that sounds like a great idea!!

Our defense held Dallas pretty good too, especially when you consider Giants were on the road and they were on the field forever against Dallas last week. Our defense and Denver defense are in the same league.

Our offense is pathetic. Denver's offense isn't terrific but it's much better than the Giants. Dallas's defense is not good at all.

His post is poorly done. But using a horrid disease like dementia or senality as a throw away line is just in poor taste, even for this place.

I m sure you meant nothing by it. But it s a cruel disease and should be off base even here.

Not judging or trying to lecture, I just think maybe you don t truly understand the far reaching impact of that disease.

In comment 13601445 EricJ said:

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and was thinking a lot about our offense too. When you look at it, our offense really is built ass backwards. We matched an aging immobile QB at the back end of his career with the worst OL in the league and no running game. So, we have one great weapon to throw to but our QB cannot get him the ball. Seems like we would have been better off building the best line in the league with a top RB and then let the WRs be just average guys (no OBJ). I think this offense would be more productive that way.

Yeah, our QB cannot get him the ball... right. Do you even watch football?

offense is bottom of the league again. Thanks front office consensus, you suck.

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Obvious that our TMS : 10:27 pm : link : reply offense is bottom of the league again. Thanks front office consensus, you suck.

Even if this ends up being true, saying anything is obvious after one game is pure idiocy. Was the Giants defense obviously complete shit after two games in 2007?

Starting to worry that the only fucking person that knew what the fuck he was doing at all was Coughlin, and that Reese and McAdoo are garbage.

nuf said.

about what our O could be like behind either OL because, barring a miracle, we will not see what a successful Mc O scheme looks like with Eli at QB...and I'm not sure a mobile QB can do any better under our cast of characters.
Also I have no fear of losing our FA OLs...who'd want any of them?

In comment 13601551 PaulN said:

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Starting to worry that the only fucking person that knew what the fuck he was doing at all was Coughlin, and that Reese and McAdoo are garbage.

I love TC as much as anyone on this forum but I really have to ask this question. How many games we win last year?????

Is a really interesting when you think of the Giants. They went out and signed Ronald Leary and drafted Garrett Bolles in the first round. A clear prerogative of wht they had to do ... of course it's not apples to apples but I digress

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Starting to worry that the only fucking person that knew what the fuck he was doing at all was Coughlin, and that Reese and McAdoo are garbage.

God your awful

40 yards allowed to Dallas by Denver.

392 vs. 268 total. Our offense isn't the only unit overrated in the preseason.

Yes, it would've been great to possess the ball longer, give our D a breather and win the ToP...but as we all witnessed, and as Coach pointed out, the D couldn't get themselves of the field.

In comment 13601591 SHO'NUFF said:

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40 yards allowed to Dallas by Denver. 392 vs. 268 total. Our offense isn't the only unit overrated in the preseason. Yes, it would've been great to possess the ball longer, give our D a breather and win the ToP...but as we all witnessed, and as Coach pointed out, the D couldn't get themselves of the field.

Different circumstances. Denver controlled the ball. Their D was fresh.

Also, Dallas had the lead against us and ran more to control possession. They threw the ball against Denver.

they couldn't stop the run and get off the field.

In comment 13601469 BigBlueDownTheShore said:

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In comment 13601465 EricJ said: Quote: In comment 13601453 BigBlueDownTheShore said: Quote: In comment 13601445 EricJ said: Quote: and was thinking a lot about our offense too. When you look at it, our offense really is built ass backwards. We matched an aging immobile QB at the back end of his career with the worst OL in the league and no running game. So, we have one great weapon to throw to but our QB cannot get him the ball. Seems like we would have been better off building the best line in the league with a top RB and then let the WRs be just average guys (no OBJ). I think this offense would be more productive that way. They have certainly tried to rebuild the line. We have 2 1st round picks and a 2nd invested in our line. So saying we didn't try to do something is a false statement. Hey neighbor... don't put words in my mouth. If you look at my original post, I did not say that we did not try. I said we have the worst OL in the league. Now, to the point you were trying to make.. sure they tried. However, they failed AND they knew it before going into this off season. They chose THIS OFF SEASON to focus on other areas of the offense. were we signing with the little amount of cap space we had? Also who would have drafted neighbor?

Limited cap space? We still have over $10m in cap space.

We have 2 first round picks and 1 second round pick, plus every year we have picked up a FA or two. The problem is we have not spent for the big time FA or traded for one and the guys we have signed have mostly beeN Co sidereal backup talent. Jerry is in that category, but we inexplicably re-signed him to start .

That is where I have a problem. Jones, who also has his flaws, outplayed Jerry this summer. Yet, Jerry remains the starter and Jones barely put a dent in the snaps with the first unit. Just because we implemented a WCO to combat a bad line doesn't mean we have to put out one of the worst lines we realistically can. I have less problem with Hart because he did improve and he played better than the potential replacements. Let's hope he gets healthy and can show something.

Hard to explain, but it happens. Remember back to that 2011 first elimination game against the Jets? Until that electrifying 100 yard TD catch by Cruz they had been sleepwalking even though a loss meant the end of the season. After the catch the team woke up.

This vaunted defense should not have allowed Zeke 5 or 6 yards on first down. That kept the Cowboys moving down the field. If they were having trouble getting into the backfield they should have sent the DB's like they did last year. If they come out fired up tonight and whip the Lions then we can get our sanity back.

Dallas's offense was shut down by Denver's D, and Denver's offense just fed off it.

In comment 13601606 SB 42 and 46 and ? said:

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Hard to explain, but it happens. Remember back to that 2011 first elimination game against the Jets? Until that electrifying 100 yard TD catch by Cruz they had been sleepwalking even though a loss meant the end of the season. After the catch the team woke up. This vaunted defense should not have allowed Zeke 5 or 6 yards on first down. That kept the Cowboys moving down the field. If they were having trouble getting into the backfield they should have sent the DB's like they did last year. If they come out fired up tonight and whip the Lions then we can get our sanity back.

Yeah, that is the aspect I don't get. You are playing your biggest rival, you've had 8 months to prepare for it and you come that flat, that uninspired? Now it's easy to say losing OBJ for that game is a key factor which it is, but we upgraded 2 key spots and added a huge asset to the blocking game with Ellison which should have compensated somewhat for that loss.

But the most worrisome aspect to take from that game was how outcoached we were. How unimaginative and out of rhythm they were on Offense and how uninspired on D. Dallas did not do anything more than sit in Zone and we had no answer for that at all, and that was against a D missing some key players that is avg at best when 100%.

It makes you wonder if those 11 wins last season happened in spite of our coaching not because of it

In comment 13601634 montanagiant said:

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In comment 13601606 SB 42 and 46 and ? said: Quote: Hard to explain, but it happens. Remember back to that 2011 first elimination game against the Jets? Until that electrifying 100 yard TD catch by Cruz they had been sleepwalking even though a loss meant the end of the season. After the catch the team woke up. This vaunted defense should not have allowed Zeke 5 or 6 yards on first down. That kept the Cowboys moving down the field. If they were having trouble getting into the backfield they should have sent the DB's like they did last year. If they come out fired up tonight and whip the Lions then we can get our sanity back. Yeah, that is the aspect I don't get. You are playing your biggest rival, you've had 8 months to prepare for it and you come that flat, that uninspired? Now it's easy to say losing OBJ for that game is a key factor which it is, but we upgraded 2 key spots and added a huge asset to the blocking game with Ellison which should have compensated somewhat for that loss. But the most worrisome aspect to take from that game was how outcoached we were. How unimaginative and out of rhythm they were on Offense and how uninspired on D. Dallas did not do anything more than sit in Zone and we had no answer for that at all, and that was against a D missing some key players that is avg at best when 100%. It makes you wonder if those 11 wins last season happened in spite of our coaching not because of it

The 11 wins are fool's gold. So many want to heap praise at Ben's feet for "coaching to the strength of the team" when in fact it was Spags who had the defense playing out of their mind. None of the 11 wins were definitive wins. Sure a win is a win when it comes to the statistical record. But people are being intellectually dishonest with themselves if they consider barely winning over the likes of the Saints and the Bengals as some recognition of dominance. Shoot, our most convincing win last season was against the Browns. Yet somehow with the improvements on offense in the off-season, we were led to believe that the Giants were Superbowl contenders.

the defense...

Did you guys take the same position when we won the 07 SB scoring only 17 points and holding a prolific offense to 14? Did Spags win that one alone too?