Watching Denver and Dallas

Look, I'm not blaming last week on the defense at all, but they certainly didn't do themselves any favors. Here are the play counts of the Dallas drives in the 1st half:

9 plays
9 plays (FG)
15 plays! (FG)
7 plays
7 plays (TD)
7 plays (FG)

I don't see a single three and out. In fact, they didn't force a single three and out in the entire game.

The offense was awful, no doubt. I don't think it would have mattered if they got the ball at the 50 with how poorly everyone played. But the D still didn't help themselves by allowing long, time consuming drives. They weren't blameless in the loss.

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In comment 13601652 jcn56 said:

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the defense... Did you guys take the same position when we won the 07 SB scoring only 17 points and holding a prolific offense to 14? Did Spags win that one alone too?

What? Are you trying to use one game as an analogy to the last 18 we played? I don't see any logic whatsoever in this comparison. You have arguably the greatest team ever in the NFL vs a better than avg team, you have one game as proof vs a season's worth, you have a whole body of good work to judge by prior to that SB with just the playoffs alone. Each one of those Playoff wins prior to the SB featured good offense and Defense. This is inapplicable in every sense.

There was nothing on Offense this last game and very little to be excited about from last year. We supposedly eliminated our one-dimensionality with the addition of two TE's, Vereen coming back, going with youth at RB, and adding Brandon Marshall. Yet we actually had our worst offensive game in years last Sunday.

In comment 13601695 montanagiant said:

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In comment 13601652 jcn56 said: Quote: the defense... Did you guys take the same position when we won the 07 SB scoring only 17 points and holding a prolific offense to 14? Did Spags win that one alone too? What? Are you trying to use one game as an analogy to the last 18 we played? I don't see any logic whatsoever in this comparison. You have arguably the greatest team ever in the NFL vs a better than avg team, you have one game as proof vs a season's worth, you have a whole body of good work to judge by prior to that SB with just the playoffs alone. Each one of those Playoff wins prior to the SB featured good offense and Defense. This is inapplicable in every sense. There was nothing on Offense this last game and very little to be excited about from last year. We supposedly eliminated our one-dimensionality with the addition of two TE's, Vereen coming back, going with youth at RB, and adding Brandon Marshall. Yet we actually had our worst offensive game in years last Sunday.

Better than avg team = Dallas

In comment 13601662 GMAN4LIFE said:

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100% agree, but we only needed our team to score 20 not 41

I was ecstatic last night.

Dallas gets embarrassed. Eagles lose. Everyone else is 1-1.

Last week was last week. Giants have to take care of business. Lots on the line tonight in the home opener.

FIRED UP! No time for Debbie Downers. LET'S GO!!!

to come around and give an inspirational speech.

In comment 13601551 PaulN said:

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Starting to worry that the only fucking person that knew what the fuck he was doing at all was Coughlin, and that Reese and McAdoo are garbage.

This could be true and agree; but the decision was made by Tisch IMO not so much Mara. Think Coughlin should have been given another year with the upgrades we made in FA. Defense the year before would have made the difference that year. We could have kept all these same coaches and let TC do the rest, one more time.

world where we didn't really go 11-5 last year and instead went 2-14 and Mac needs to be run out of town?

In comment 13601794 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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world where we didn't really go 11-5 last year and instead went 2-14 and Mac needs to be run out of town?

Haven't you heard? After one game, people aren't accepting that "11-5" shit anymore!

won a Super Bowl. Sometimes you have to delve deeper.

In comment 13601794 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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world where we didn't really go 11-5 last year and instead went 2-14 and Mac needs to be run out of town?

FatMan - Criticize McAdoo for the offense, not overall as HC. This team went 11-5 last year because of the D. Reese addressed several holes and players stepped up. We went from a bottom 5 D to a top 10 D in one season. The jump was much greater than I ever imagined. However, the offense took a step backward last year. We became extremely 1 dimensional, relying on a big play from OBJ to score.

Last year + last week we have not seen the same offense McAdoo ran for 2 seasons as OC. I don't buy the OL excuse because this OL is not any worse than the one he was working with as OC. He was brought in to install his version of the WCO in order to combat a terrible OL. In those 2 seasons Eli was perhaps the best we've seen him and the offense was moving the ball and scoring with lestt talent at all the skill positions other than QB. Now, we have better talent, a relatively equal OL (equally bad), and for all intents and purposes the same OC, yet the offense goes huge stretches of looking absolutely inept, has no flow, no obvious purpose or plan, etc. Last week, that was only exacerbated by the absence of OBJ.

Again, I have a hard time criticizing McAdoo as HC. But, I do think he deserves criticism for the offense.

that's fair - but so many people here act like Mac is an incompetent boob. He gets no credit for the D and all the blame for the O, and people who were gleefully trying to break Coughlin's hip pushing him out the door are now waxing poetically about his tenure in relation to Mac's.

I know overreaction is a BBI staple, but this year it is obscene.

My takeaway from this game was exactly what I thought most of the week..

Our defense can, and should have been better that night.