this stuff but at the same time it really makes me question where our team is. The Giants defense should have gone after the Boys the way the Broncos did. Our defense is just as good as the Broncos.
Dallas didn't do a ton against us offensively and perhaps we did exactly what we wanted to do, which was limit their big play ability. That may actually be because the defense and the coaches knew our offense was not going to be able to generate a lot of points. Could the defense have been trying to mask our internal fears about our own offense? Don't let Dallas have a big play, an easy score because our offense can't generate anything??? Maybe..
The one thing I saw yesterday was an offensive line that is not much better than ours, be able to handle Dallas because their QB can move around and their running game was able to click.
The Giants defense couldn't stay off the field and rest
Denver and Atlanta controlled their games by running the ball.
The Cowboy's defense is horrible but when you basically tell them you're going to pass 80% of the time, it's pretty easy to look much better than you are....
Dallas also lost a couple of cornerbacks yesterday, didn't they?
He seemingly ALWAYS botches or bobbles that TD pass and then acts like it's a catch. Refs disagree and Dez is incredulous. It happens all the time now. Started in that playoff game in 2014 and hasn't stopped since.
Not only that but Dez just isn't the same explosive player anymore. He's not terrible but he's not an elite #1 by any stretch.
fifteen times on first down. Average 4.3 y/c. 5.0 y/c if you don't include the 7 yard loss when tackled by JPP one of the few times he tried to run wide.
Except for that loss, gained at least 3 yards every carry on first down.
That's just not supposed to happen with this defensive line. Denver stuffed him again and again.
when playing from behind and forced to pass the ball. He should have had 4 INT's yesterday as Denver dropped a few easy ones. Dak was off target often, made bad decisions and showed that he cannot pass efficiently when he has to. You have to get ahead of Dallas to beat them.
Especially the offense -
They will account for themselves tonight
I hope McAdoo does not become too conservative like the Ex-coach and leave the Running Backs status the same even though there is no production. If the veterans are not playing well, put the rookie Gallman in. It's a known fact your faster at 21 then you are at 26.
There's now reason to hold a Runner back a season The career expectancy for a runner is approximately 6-8 yrs
Play Gallman and let the veterans fight to get on the field after him. ALA Zeke
The Giants defense was NOT part of the problem last week.
When you factor in that Dallas was going for it on fourth down most of the second half and not converting, that explains the difference in punts. Denver's defense was much against Dallas than the Giants' was.
Prescott left several plays on the field against the Giants too.
He's a good player, and a steal where he was drafted. Last year, he was obviously the beneficiary of a great running game and an excellent offensive line. When Elliott's suspension kicks in, we'll learn a lot about Prescott's ability to put an offense on his back without some of the advantages he has enjoyed so far. Although will never be Aaron Rodgers, I doubt he will be the reason Dallas loses many games either. The Bronco defense has made a lot of QBs look bad.
When you look at it, in the Giants game the Cowboys only got 3 pts
in the whole 2nd half. So basically once our offense starting moving just a little, we ran 38 plays in the 2nd half compared to just 18 in the 1st, our D shut them down completely. The Dallas O is not good. When a good D is given a chance to catch its breath they can shut them down.
It's a known fact your faster at 21 then you are at 26.
Speed doesn't mean crap if you don't know how to see the holes and lead/set up blocks, or pass protect. But sure, just play young guys because they will only get slower as they age!
Even if you are right it seems like it is just by accident.
Sure with a lead and a 100 yard rusher behind him he looks ok dinking and dunking down the field. But making real passing plays. Hitting the 15/20 yard deep outs. Throwing the ball 20/30 yards into the deep zones. I don't think he's shown he can "make all the throws".
RE: Prescott left several plays on the field against the Giants too.
He's a good player, and a steal where he was drafted. Last year, he was obviously the beneficiary of a great running game and an excellent offensive line. When Elliott's suspension kicks in, we'll learn a lot about Prescott's ability to put an offense on his back without some of the advantages he has enjoyed so far. Although will never be Aaron Rodgers, I doubt he will be the reason Dallas loses many games either. The Bronco defense has made a lot of QBs look bad.
I am not a believer. There have been a fair number of new-age QBs that have come into this league and had a good year. Most of them get figured out. This guy is pretty good in throwing to open guys less than 15 yeards away. He has to play with that line and a good running back to be really effective. Yesterday, he couldn't take advantage of Denver overplaying the run defense. Romo would have made th9s a much more competitive game.
reading the dallas message board confirms that our
hate for this team is justified. These people are delusional assholes. comments like Dallas is God's team not to worry. In fact many referred to god. others posted Eli face video's. Others of dallas running out of the tunnel with chants of here they come. Others making Hillary references to Zeke not chasing after the interception of what difference does it make. then on to Arizona and LA which they feel will be easy wins. Other references to the Giants and how bad we must be. I never cheer for injuries but a broken ankle here or there with this team i will quickly overlook.
RE: reading the dallas message board confirms that our
hate for this team is justified. These people are delusional assholes. comments like Dallas is God's team not to worry. In fact many referred to god. others posted Eli face video's. Others of dallas running out of the tunnel with chants of here they come. Others making Hillary references to Zeke not chasing after the interception of what difference does it make. then on to Arizona and LA which they feel will be easy wins. Other references to the Giants and how bad we must be. I never cheer for injuries but a broken ankle here or there with this team i will quickly overlook.
C'mon, just because the fans are idiots doesn't mean the players are. Never wish for injuries, bad karma
If the veterans are not playing well, put the rookie Gallman in. It's a known fact your faster at 21 then you are at 26.
Perhaps each athlete is faster at 21 than 26, even though many track athletes don't hit their prime until later, but what would it matter if Gallman is slower at 21 than another player is at 26? When I was 21 was I faster than Usain Bolt, who by the fucking way was faster at age 26 than 21, but that's just reason #2,087 why it was a shitty point without merit.
RE: RE: reading the dallas message board confirms that our
hate for this team is justified. These people are delusional assholes. comments like Dallas is God's team not to worry. In fact many referred to god. others posted Eli face video's. Others of dallas running out of the tunnel with chants of here they come. Others making Hillary references to Zeke not chasing after the interception of what difference does it make. then on to Arizona and LA which they feel will be easy wins. Other references to the Giants and how bad we must be. I never cheer for injuries but a broken ankle here or there with this team i will quickly overlook.
never cheering for injuries I just said overlook as in "Oh well "
C'mon, just because the fans are idiots doesn't mean the players are. Never wish for injuries, bad karma
Them all lamenting how they suck and wish they had all been born Giant fans? The believe yesterday was a hiccup like many here believe about our Week 1 game against Dallas. That is what fans do.
The shit about injuries just shows that some Giant fans are no better than any other fan base. Why would you want a player to get injured because you don't like some of their fans...fans who you are searching out after a bad loss?
Especially the offense -
They will account for themselves tonight
I hope McAdoo does not become too conservative like the Ex-coach and leave the Running Backs status the same even though there is no production. If the veterans are not playing well, put the rookie Gallman in. It's a known fact your faster at 21 then you are at 26.
There's now reason to hold a Runner back a season The career expectancy for a runner is approximately 6-8 yrs
Play Gallman and let the veterans fight to get on the field after him. ALA Zeke
It doesn't matter how fast you are when you are running into a wall.
when playing from behind and forced to pass the ball. ...You have to get ahead of Dallas to beat them.
I used to think that until their playoff game against the Packers last year.
I give Dak credit for leading his team back but he didn't win that game. He tied it.
And the problem with that is there's a trend developing where Dak doesn't take enough shots. He only goes balls out if the deficit is large or the game is slipping away. That won't fly in the NFL for very long.
I like DAk as a player but it might be more of a fear of Dallas than anything else. He showed promise last year. Seems poised. Doesn't turn it over. All good qualities to have but he definitely isn't the best at beating you from the pocket or going downfield.
RE: What did you expect to see on a Cowboys message board?
Them all lamenting how they suck and wish they had all been born Giant fans? The believe yesterday was a hiccup like many here believe about our Week 1 game against Dallas. That is what fans do.
The shit about injuries just shows that some Giant fans are no better than any other fan base. Why would you want a player to get injured because you don't like some of their fans...fans who you are searching out after a bad loss?
mike swing and a miss, you sure read alot into something that wasnt there. BBI is getting wierd
That post was just weird.
I will give them a pass yesterday due to REAL home field advantage. The Docs here might want to weigh in, but my daughter lived in Boulder for a few years and it's a known medical fact that your body take about 6 months to build up enough red blood cells to utilize the reduced oxygen level properly. Not everyone gets altitude sickness, but I was under the weather for about 3 days the 1st time I went out there. I thought the Dallas OL looked a bit gassed for that part of the game I was able to watch. What followed was no running game, then no passing game. Just like us....
I cringe when I hear coaches say that they want to keep the game close so that they have an opportunity to win in the 4th quarter. Why? If you have that mentality you take away such a great opportunity to make a team one dimensional by the score alone. Every defense wants to make an offense one dimensional by taking away the run game. So, why have that conservative mentality that you are okay with keeping the game close? This happened way too often under Coughlin (I love TC) and it is happening with McAdoo.
RE: I haven't heard McAdoo say it but it still holds true
I cringe when I hear coaches say that they want to keep the game close so that they have an opportunity to win in the 4th quarter. Why? If you have that mentality you take away such a great opportunity to make a team one dimensional by the score alone. Every defense wants to make an offense one dimensional by taking away the run game. So, why have that conservative mentality that you are okay with keeping the game close? This happened way too often under Coughlin (I love TC) and it is happening with McAdoo.
It's an across the league thing. Coaches play really afraid. The only one who doesn't is Bruce Arians.
I cringe when I hear coaches say that they want to keep the game close so that they have an opportunity to win in the 4th quarter. Why? If you have that mentality you take away such a great opportunity to make a team one dimensional by the score alone. Every defense wants to make an offense one dimensional by taking away the run game. So, why have that conservative mentality that you are okay with keeping the game close? This happened way too often under Coughlin (I love TC) and it is happening with McAdoo.
It's an across the league thing. Coaches play really afraid. The only one who doesn't is Bruce Arians.
That's not entirely true. There are others who are more aggressive:
Pete Carroll - at least prior to the INT...
Tomlin - IIRC, goes for 2 more than any other HC
Atlanta played to win in the SB and got burned
"Aggressive" also needs to account for your team structure. Made no sense for McAdoo to be aggressive going for long FGs or 4th down attempts in opp territory with the level the D was playing at.
Young teams with 'nothing to lose' also tend to be more aggressive, though often end up with nothing to show for it. For example, the Rams going for it (and converting) on that 4th yesterday. A coach in the 1st year of his deal can afford that gamble, but other coaches could lose their jobs over it. Look at the fan uproar here after one loss despite finishing 11-5 as a rookie HC last season...
wasn't aggressive in the SB - they were flat out stupid.
That wasn't an indication of a staff taking chances - it was indicative of a staff that wasn't experienced enough to handle the pressure of the big game.
wasn't aggressive in the SB - they were flat out stupid.
That wasn't an indication of a staff taking chances - it was indicative of a staff that wasn't experienced enough to handle the pressure of the big game.
I somewhat agree, but that's why there's a fine line between being 'aggressive' and being 'stupid'. And I think the Seahawks SB blunder is more indicative of stupidity than the ATL collapse. Throwing it from the 1 with plenty of time and Lynch in the backfield is idiotic. ATL continuing to throw the ball and try to get it to Julio, was being overly aggressive. Though that 5 play sequence that last night's broadcast highlighted certainly falls into the category of stupid (run for -1 yd, sack, holding, incomplete, punt after starting in FG range).
Especially the offense -
They will account for themselves tonight
I hope McAdoo does not become too conservative like the Ex-coach and leave the Running Backs status the same even though there is no production. If the veterans are not playing well, put the rookie Gallman in. It's a known fact your faster at 21 then you are at 26.
There's now reason to hold a Runner back a season The career expectancy for a runner is approximately 6-8 yrs
Play Gallman and let the veterans fight to get on the field after him. ALA Zeke
It doesn't matter how fast you are when you are running into a wall.
this stuff but at the same time it really makes me question where our team is. The Giants defense should have gone after the Boys the way the Broncos did. Our defense is just as good as the Broncos.
Dallas didn't do a ton against us offensively and perhaps we did exactly what we wanted to do, which was limit their big play ability. That may actually be because the defense and the coaches knew our offense was not going to be able to generate a lot of points. Could the defense have been trying to mask our internal fears about our own offense? Don't let Dallas have a big play, an easy score because our offense can't generate anything??? Maybe..
The one thing I saw yesterday was an offensive line that is not much better than ours, be able to handle Dallas because their QB can move around and their running game was able to click.
Don't overlook the salient fact that Denver is a really tough place for visiting teams. Stat I think I heard yesterday was that Broncos are 19-1 playing at home in first two weeks of a season.
I wasn't just talking about being dumb and taking high risk chances.
I cringe when I hear coaches say that they want to keep the game close so that they have an opportunity to win in the 4th quarter. Why? If you have that mentality you take away such a great opportunity to make a team one dimensional by the score alone. Every defense wants to make an offense one dimensional by taking away the run game. So, why have that conservative mentality that you are okay with keeping the game close? This happened way too often under Coughlin (I love TC) and it is happening with McAdoo.
It's an across the league thing. Coaches play really afraid. The only one who doesn't is Bruce Arians.
That's not entirely true. There are others who are more aggressive:
Pete Carroll - at least prior to the INT...
Tomlin - IIRC, goes for 2 more than any other HC
Atlanta played to win in the SB and got burned
"Aggressive" also needs to account for your team structure. Made no sense for McAdoo to be aggressive going for long FGs or 4th down attempts in opp territory with the level the D was playing at.
Young teams with 'nothing to lose' also tend to be more aggressive, though often end up with nothing to show for it. For example, the Rams going for it (and converting) on that 4th yesterday. A coach in the 1st year of his deal can afford that gamble, but other coaches could lose their jobs over it. Look at the fan uproar here after one loss despite finishing 11-5 as a rookie HC last season...
Going for it on 4th is something that more coaches have been doing, and that's a improvement over the old wisdom of always, always punting on 4th no matter what, but there are other facets of the game where coaches are as conservative as ever. As people in the sport have embraced metrics and QB efficiency stats and feared the turnover more than any point in league history, you see a lot more quick short passing and an incredibly high number of QBs posting completion percentages climbing toward the high 60%. It was unheard of in the 90s and early 00s. Now if there's a QB with a bombs away mentality or an offense that takes a lot of low-percentage deep shots, it's frowned upon because the trade off is elevated turnovers.
when beckham goes on his rants he is usually yelling at himself...
dez is always screaming at teammates, it looked like lawrence told him stop dropping the ball..
Dallas didn't do a ton against us offensively and perhaps we did exactly what we wanted to do, which was limit their big play ability. That may actually be because the defense and the coaches knew our offense was not going to be able to generate a lot of points. Could the defense have been trying to mask our internal fears about our own offense? Don't let Dallas have a big play, an easy score because our offense can't generate anything??? Maybe..
The one thing I saw yesterday was an offensive line that is not much better than ours, be able to handle Dallas because their QB can move around and their running game was able to click.
The Broncos offense let their defense rest.
The Broncos offense let their defense rest.
The Giants D also couldn't get off the field. Denver forced some quick 3 and outs, especially early on which helped.
The Giants defense was NOT part of the problem last week.
Denver and Atlanta controlled their games by running the ball.
The Cowboy's defense is horrible but when you basically tell them you're going to pass 80% of the time, it's pretty easy to look much better than you are....
Not only that but Dez just isn't the same explosive player anymore. He's not terrible but he's not an elite #1 by any stretch.
Except for that loss, gained at least 3 yards every carry on first down.
That's just not supposed to happen with this defensive line. Denver stuffed him again and again.
Especially the offense -
They will account for themselves tonight
I hope McAdoo does not become too conservative like the Ex-coach and leave the Running Backs status the same even though there is no production. If the veterans are not playing well, put the rookie Gallman in. It's a known fact your faster at 21 then you are at 26.
There's now reason to hold a Runner back a season The career expectancy for a runner is approximately 6-8 yrs
Play Gallman and let the veterans fight to get on the field after him. ALA Zeke
I used to think that until their playoff game against the Packers last year.
The Giants defense was NOT part of the problem last week.
When you factor in that Dallas was going for it on fourth down most of the second half and not converting, that explains the difference in punts. Denver's defense was much against Dallas than the Giants' was.
Speed doesn't mean crap if you don't know how to see the holes and lead/set up blocks, or pass protect. But sure, just play young guys because they will only get slower as they age!
Even if you are right it seems like it is just by accident.
C'mon, just because the fans are idiots doesn't mean the players are. Never wish for injuries, bad karma
Perhaps each athlete is faster at 21 than 26, even though many track athletes don't hit their prime until later, but what would it matter if Gallman is slower at 21 than another player is at 26? When I was 21 was I faster than Usain Bolt, who by the fucking way was faster at age 26 than 21, but that's just reason #2,087 why it was a shitty point without merit.
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hate for this team is justified. These people are delusional assholes. comments like Dallas is God's team not to worry. In fact many referred to god. others posted Eli face video's. Others of dallas running out of the tunnel with chants of here they come. Others making Hillary references to Zeke not chasing after the interception of what difference does it make. then on to Arizona and LA which they feel will be easy wins. Other references to the Giants and how bad we must be. I never cheer for injuries but a broken ankle here or there with this team i will quickly overlook.
never cheering for injuries I just said overlook as in "Oh well "
C'mon, just because the fans are idiots doesn't mean the players are. Never wish for injuries, bad karma
The shit about injuries just shows that some Giant fans are no better than any other fan base. Why would you want a player to get injured because you don't like some of their fans...fans who you are searching out after a bad loss?
That post was just weird.
Especially the offense -
They will account for themselves tonight
I hope McAdoo does not become too conservative like the Ex-coach and leave the Running Backs status the same even though there is no production. If the veterans are not playing well, put the rookie Gallman in. It's a known fact your faster at 21 then you are at 26.
There's now reason to hold a Runner back a season The career expectancy for a runner is approximately 6-8 yrs
Play Gallman and let the veterans fight to get on the field after him. ALA Zeke
It doesn't matter how fast you are when you are running into a wall.
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when playing from behind and forced to pass the ball. ...You have to get ahead of Dallas to beat them.
I used to think that until their playoff game against the Packers last year.
I give Dak credit for leading his team back but he didn't win that game. He tied it.
And the problem with that is there's a trend developing where Dak doesn't take enough shots. He only goes balls out if the deficit is large or the game is slipping away. That won't fly in the NFL for very long.
I like DAk as a player but it might be more of a fear of Dallas than anything else. He showed promise last year. Seems poised. Doesn't turn it over. All good qualities to have but he definitely isn't the best at beating you from the pocket or going downfield.
The shit about injuries just shows that some Giant fans are no better than any other fan base. Why would you want a player to get injured because you don't like some of their fans...fans who you are searching out after a bad loss?
mike swing and a miss, you sure read alot into something that wasnt there. BBI is getting wierd
That post was just weird.
It's an across the league thing. Coaches play really afraid. The only one who doesn't is Bruce Arians.
it also hurt a little knowing they owned the Giants the week before and then barely looked like an NFL team.
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I cringe when I hear coaches say that they want to keep the game close so that they have an opportunity to win in the 4th quarter. Why? If you have that mentality you take away such a great opportunity to make a team one dimensional by the score alone. Every defense wants to make an offense one dimensional by taking away the run game. So, why have that conservative mentality that you are okay with keeping the game close? This happened way too often under Coughlin (I love TC) and it is happening with McAdoo.
It's an across the league thing. Coaches play really afraid. The only one who doesn't is Bruce Arians.
That's not entirely true. There are others who are more aggressive:
Pete Carroll - at least prior to the INT...
Tomlin - IIRC, goes for 2 more than any other HC
Atlanta played to win in the SB and got burned
"Aggressive" also needs to account for your team structure. Made no sense for McAdoo to be aggressive going for long FGs or 4th down attempts in opp territory with the level the D was playing at.
Young teams with 'nothing to lose' also tend to be more aggressive, though often end up with nothing to show for it. For example, the Rams going for it (and converting) on that 4th yesterday. A coach in the 1st year of his deal can afford that gamble, but other coaches could lose their jobs over it. Look at the fan uproar here after one loss despite finishing 11-5 as a rookie HC last season...
That wasn't an indication of a staff taking chances - it was indicative of a staff that wasn't experienced enough to handle the pressure of the big game.
That wasn't an indication of a staff taking chances - it was indicative of a staff that wasn't experienced enough to handle the pressure of the big game.
I somewhat agree, but that's why there's a fine line between being 'aggressive' and being 'stupid'. And I think the Seahawks SB blunder is more indicative of stupidity than the ATL collapse. Throwing it from the 1 with plenty of time and Lynch in the backfield is idiotic. ATL continuing to throw the ball and try to get it to Julio, was being overly aggressive. Though that 5 play sequence that last night's broadcast highlighted certainly falls into the category of stupid (run for -1 yd, sack, holding, incomplete, punt after starting in FG range).
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For whatever reason the Giants didn't show up.
Especially the offense -
They will account for themselves tonight
I hope McAdoo does not become too conservative like the Ex-coach and leave the Running Backs status the same even though there is no production. If the veterans are not playing well, put the rookie Gallman in. It's a known fact your faster at 21 then you are at 26.
There's now reason to hold a Runner back a season The career expectancy for a runner is approximately 6-8 yrs
Play Gallman and let the veterans fight to get on the field after him. ALA Zeke
It doesn't matter how fast you are when you are running into a wall.
Or John Jerry's ass.
Coming back for the play doesn't mean you make the tackle, but hey you might be in position to recover a fumble. Anything can happen.
There's just something about that guy that makes me think he's not going to last long in this league, either injury or otherwise.
The Giants defense was NOT part of the problem last week.
punted 5 times and turned it over twice
Dallas didn't do a ton against us offensively and perhaps we did exactly what we wanted to do, which was limit their big play ability. That may actually be because the defense and the coaches knew our offense was not going to be able to generate a lot of points. Could the defense have been trying to mask our internal fears about our own offense? Don't let Dallas have a big play, an easy score because our offense can't generate anything??? Maybe..
The one thing I saw yesterday was an offensive line that is not much better than ours, be able to handle Dallas because their QB can move around and their running game was able to click.
Don't overlook the salient fact that Denver is a really tough place for visiting teams. Stat I think I heard yesterday was that Broncos are 19-1 playing at home in first two weeks of a season.
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I cringe when I hear coaches say that they want to keep the game close so that they have an opportunity to win in the 4th quarter. Why? If you have that mentality you take away such a great opportunity to make a team one dimensional by the score alone. Every defense wants to make an offense one dimensional by taking away the run game. So, why have that conservative mentality that you are okay with keeping the game close? This happened way too often under Coughlin (I love TC) and it is happening with McAdoo.
It's an across the league thing. Coaches play really afraid. The only one who doesn't is Bruce Arians.
That's not entirely true. There are others who are more aggressive:
Pete Carroll - at least prior to the INT...
Tomlin - IIRC, goes for 2 more than any other HC
Atlanta played to win in the SB and got burned
"Aggressive" also needs to account for your team structure. Made no sense for McAdoo to be aggressive going for long FGs or 4th down attempts in opp territory with the level the D was playing at.
Young teams with 'nothing to lose' also tend to be more aggressive, though often end up with nothing to show for it. For example, the Rams going for it (and converting) on that 4th yesterday. A coach in the 1st year of his deal can afford that gamble, but other coaches could lose their jobs over it. Look at the fan uproar here after one loss despite finishing 11-5 as a rookie HC last season...
Going for it on 4th is something that more coaches have been doing, and that's a improvement over the old wisdom of always, always punting on 4th no matter what, but there are other facets of the game where coaches are as conservative as ever. As people in the sport have embraced metrics and QB efficiency stats and feared the turnover more than any point in league history, you see a lot more quick short passing and an incredibly high number of QBs posting completion percentages climbing toward the high 60%. It was unheard of in the 90s and early 00s. Now if there's a QB with a bombs away mentality or an offense that takes a lot of low-percentage deep shots, it's frowned upon because the trade off is elevated turnovers.