We've got a good chance if the defense performs to last year's standards. Carson Palmer threw 10 picks last week and yet the game was within reach until a late Stafford explosion that likely wouldn't have occurred against a D like the Giants fielded last year.
As many have pointed out, it's pretty difficult to string consecutive seasons with dominant defenses. Hopefully we'll be capable.
we had about the same talent on the OL and less talent at RB, WR, and TE. Yet, we moved the ball and scored and Eli had 2 of his best seasons. We successfully, used the pass to set up just enough of the running game to keep defenses honest. We had a well oiled passing game making excellent use of the intermediate passing game, as well as well designed slants, ins, and outs. Now, we have either a 2 yard pattern or a deep/slow developing pattern that has little chance of success, with very little else being called.
we had about the same talent on the OL and less talent at RB, WR, and TE. Yet, we moved the ball and scored and Eli had 2 of his best seasons. We successfully, used the pass to set up just enough of the running game to keep defenses honest. We had a well oiled passing game making excellent use of the intermediate passing game, as well as well designed slants, ins, and outs. Now, we have either a 2 yard pattern or a deep/slow developing pattern that has little chance of success, with very little else being called.
Maybe the rest of the NFL caught up to McAdoo... and he hasn't made any adjustments!
The offensive line is deteriorating by the hour. Eli has no rapport with Marshall. The running backs are mediocre. And of course, no Beckham. The Lions are a competitive team. 9-7 last year, a productive offense, with a quarterback (Stafford) who's better than Eli. I am not hopeful at all. If I'm wrong, I'll be more than happy to fess up to not knowing much about pro football.
should be ball control. The Giants NEED to open up the passing game by running the ball!!!!!! Commit to the run !!! Do what ever it takes 3 TE's Fullback just pound the rock and earn some respect!!! They have a championship D just control the game keep the Lions off the field.
Exactly how to lose.
Handcuff your offense. Put your weakness (OL, running game) against the Lions strength (front 7) when you are on offense. Then blame the offense for not making plays. Dink and dunk so we need 10-12 mistake free plays to score. Try to get to manageable third downs? How about not getting to third down on every series? How about making some plays downfield. Hitting receivers in stride. Getting the RBs in space with screens and dump offs, draws.
Put pressure on the defense to be perfect vs a decent offense.Play it close and conservative so one turnover or ST mistake can lose the game.
this is exactly the kind of fucked-up view that has me shaking my head this week!
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The offensive line is deteriorating by the hour. Eli has no rapport with Marshall. The running backs are mediocre. And of course, no Beckham. The Lions are a competitive team. 9-7 last year, a productive offense, with a quarterback (Stafford) who's better than Eli. I am not hopeful at all. If I'm wrong, I'll be more than happy to fess up to not knowing much about pro football.
I mean, it isn't like we played the 9-7 Lions juggernaut last year and beat them or held them to 6 points, right? How is their 9-7 more impressive than our 11-5 if we are basing it off of last year?
The OL is deteriorating by the hour? Really. No rapport with Marshall? Based on one game?
This board is really filling up with a bunch of reactionary idiots who regale us with the above insights.
Under what logic are the Lions "competitive", but we are dogshit, nevermind the historical performance of that team on the road.
someone posted a gif of a perkins run to the left. There was deent blocking to the inside but Flowers was one on one to the outside with a CB, and he obliterates his guy. But rather than keeping going to the outside and trust that Flowers is going to demolish a CB, he cuts it inside for a 2-3 yard gain. If he follows Flowers, it's 15-20.
someone posted a gif of a perkins run to the left. There was deent blocking to the inside but Flowers was one on one to the outside with a CB, and he obliterates his guy. But rather than keeping going to the outside and trust that Flowers is going to demolish a CB, he cuts it inside for a 2-3 yard gain. If he follows Flowers, it's 15-20.
Ok then, but I distinctly remember many on here saying Perkins had the best vision of any RB in the draft.
That's why everything is BS until you hit the field and start playing for real.
McAdoo himself has gone out of his way to blame the ENTIRE offense. I am not saying the OL is sound and secure unit but it's not the source of all the problems on offense no matter how many times you spout the same crap over and over again.
The RBs on this team need to make plays when they are there to be made. The QB, yes, THE QB, needs to hit a fucking WR in stride when the play is there to be made, especially against a quality team. You only get so many chances early in a game. Miss those chances and things get ugly.
Why would McAdoo single out other players on this offense? He's not saying this shit for his health or to instill confidence in the OL. He's blasting the RBs because they don't make plays! Never! There have been creases --there have been holes. The RB gets 3-4-5 yards on a play that could have gotten 15-20.
Make a fucking play tonight when it's there. Just once. ONE! They haven't in years. Fact.
Football is won and lost up front. The Giants suck up front on offense, so it's going to be a struggle all year unless A) the OL gets better, and/or B) they get more creative on offense. It's that simple. It doesn't matter what shiny new toys you have at receiver or RB if the OL can't get the job done.
Everyone slobs over EE's ability, how'd he do yesterday when Denver destroyed them up front?
Um. The Giants are still the 11-5 team from last year.
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Play that of the same formation on something like 95% of a plays difficulty or didn't try to establish the Run and Defenses also adjusted from the previous year's success by playing two safeties high or the Tampa 2 defense because the Giants couldn't run they dare the Giants to pass and they couldn't unless the broke the big play.
My previous comment was simple you got to run the ball to succeed I'm not saying running all the time I'm saying establish it get them out of two safeties back make them play you honest then the play-action will work obviously.
We brought in a supposedly a great blocking tight end plus drafted a tight end that is a great past receiver but is supposed to be an adequate blocker and we have four tight ends on the roster and a fullback. we should be able to run at least for 3.5 yards a carry. Everything else should open up if we can just establish the Run. And with a great defense you win those close games you want to keep the other team's high-powered offense off the field thAts how we won a few Super Bowls
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Looks as if B.J. Goodson will not play. LB Curtis Grant this afternoon will be signed off practice squad. Grant eligible to play tonight.
So no Goodson, and possibly Jenkins.....awesome...
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Looks as if B.J. Goodson will not play. LB Curtis Grant this afternoon will be signed off practice squad. Grant eligible to play tonight.
on 3 complete seasons + this 1 game. And his entire employment life before the Giants too. Thanks for asking.
Three complete seasons? 2015, McAdoo as OC, team scored 24 or more points in 11 games, Eli had one of his best years, 35 TDs, 93.6 rating, more than 4,400 yards. Recall, the D stunk? Recall D couldn't hold a lead? Recall losing to the Saints 52-49?
someone posted a gif of a perkins run to the left. There was deent blocking to the inside but Flowers was one on one to the outside with a CB, and he obliterates his guy. But rather than keeping going to the outside and trust that Flowers is going to demolish a CB, he cuts it inside for a 2-3 yard gain. If he follows Flowers, it's 15-20.
I've seen numerous plays like that one. Perkins is terrible right now. He's thinking when he should be running hard. Running hard when he should be waiting on the play. He's young and he wasn't terrible last year but he needs to start running like an NFL starter and soon.
I'll be disappointed if Gallman isn't active tonight. IF nothing else his presence could light a fire under Perk.
I am just praying he shuts me up and puts a quality product on the field. I have a bad feeling the DET front 4 will look like the 85 Bears and we'll have to completely shut down Stafford & Co. which is unfair.
Kind of hope he shuts u up too...
I don't have a great feeling about this game whatsoever.
Unless McAdoo had a brain transplant this week, he likely will continue to use his inverted version of Belichick's strategy of continuing to use the same attack unti it STOPS working. McAdoo's version? Continue using the same approach until it BEGINS working, no matter how bad things get, and if it works, STOP. If the offense scores some points, go conservative and try to run out the last 30 minutes of the game. If no points, blame it on player execution, not on yourself for not having a good (or any) game plan, good (not overly complex) play design, or good play-calling. Our two-time Super Bowl winning QB will get jittery and sack himself, throw too high, too hard, or too inaccurately to keep the offense on the field. The past two 'meaningless' preseasons and the ensuing regular seasons reveal an ineffective and ugly offense.
The mighty Cowboys defense that throttled McAdoo's dynamic West Coast 'offense' yielded only 5-6 TDs to the Broncos' super offense. Based on the above, Lions 35, Giants 9. We will triple our offensive output, throw at least two INTs, and Or defense will get exhausted for playing a full game before the half.
We still need a couple of weeks before the Defense scores the first TD, followed by one or two offensive TDs.
Unless McAdoo had a brain transplant this week, he likely will continue to use his inverted version of Belichick's strategy of continuing to use the same attack unti it STOPS working. McAdoo's version? Continue using the same approach until it BEGINS working, no matter how bad things get, and if it works, STOP. If the offense scores some points, go conservative and try to run out the last 30 minutes of the game. If no points, blame it on player execution, not on yourself for not having a good (or any) game plan, good (not overly complex) play design, or good play-calling. Our two-time Super Bowl winning QB will get jittery and sack himself, throw too high, too hard, or too inaccurately to keep the offense on the field. The past two 'meaningless' preseasons and the ensuing regular seasons reveal an ineffective and ugly offense.
The mighty Cowboys defense that throttled McAdoo's dynamic West Coast 'offense' yielded only 5-6 TDs to the Broncos' super offense. Based on the above, Lions 35, Giants 9. We will triple our offensive output, throw at least two INTs, and Or defense will get exhausted for playing a full game before the half.
We still need a couple of weeks before the Defense scores the first TD, followed by one or two offensive TDs.
Holy pessimism Batman! Dallas's vaunted O scored about as many points against Denver's elite defense as they did against us. Unless we suddenly gift the Lions excellent field position or turnovers for TD 3 times, I do not see that offense scoring 35 points. Our D is capable of holding offenses under 20 points, now our O just needs to get more than 20!
RE: I feel way better than I did last week on gameday
Unless McAdoo had a brain transplant this week, he likely will continue to use his inverted version of Belichick's strategy of continuing to use the same attack unti it STOPS working. McAdoo's version? Continue using the same approach until it BEGINS working, no matter how bad things get, and if it works, STOP. If the offense scores some points, go conservative and try to run out the last 30 minutes of the game. If no points, blame it on player execution, not on yourself for not having a good (or any) game plan, good (not overly complex) play design, or good play-calling. Our two-time Super Bowl winning QB will get jittery and sack himself, throw too high, too hard, or too inaccurately to keep the offense on the field. The past two 'meaningless' preseasons and the ensuing regular seasons reveal an ineffective and ugly offense.
The mighty Cowboys defense that throttled McAdoo's dynamic West Coast 'offense' yielded only 5-6 TDs to the Broncos' super offense. Based on the above, Lions 35, Giants 9. We will triple our offensive output, throw at least two INTs, and Or defense will get exhausted for playing a full game before the half.
We still need a couple of weeks before the Defense scores the first TD, followed by one or two offensive TDs.
Holy pessimism Batman! Dallas's vaunted O scored about as many points against Denver's elite defense as they did against us. Unless we suddenly gift the Lions excellent field position or turnovers for TD 3 times, I do not see that offense scoring 35 points. Our D is capable of holding offenses under 20 points, now our O just needs to get more than 20!
You are right, Mike. Short of a one-week turnaround, I don't see the offense scoring 2 TDs. As revised, Lions, 19-9. I hope I am wrong, but the Giants offense is soooo anemic that it's difficult to enjoy watching them.
the OL doesn't play better we will lose. I expect Detroit to start in some type of cover 2 shell to see if they can get pressure with just four or five. Everybody should. Their DL isn't that good, but the same was true of Dallas. To counteract any pressure we may see more planned bootlegs and rollouts from Eli.
They will run the exact same game plan they ran against us last December when we only scored 17 points.
I bet the Lions are figuring that they can do that again, they will figure out a way to win based on the amount of possessions they will get because the Giants offense won't consistently possess the ball.
We have all the reasons to come out flying and win. Monday night, first home game, coming off an embarrassing loss on national TV, and we're playing a team we just beat 5 games ago.
We should come out flying and roll. If we do we can just write-off the Dallas game and move forward. If we don't then its going to be a long season.
our poor record on national tv and/or halftime celebration(commemorative) games, along with our poor OL play, I am not optimistic about tonight.
Just sit, watch, and hope....like every other game.
This is probably going to be an ugly, embarrassing loss.
The sad part is it doesn't have to be that way. If they did the same old, same old, this week in practice- we are fucked. If they tried to address these issues, make a few tweaks, maybe we have a slim chance. One thing is for certain......we lose tonight this season is over.
I heard espn radio commentator predict lions will win
The question is about scheme and style not about players. Predictable and reactive will result in a loss. Assertive and dictating tempo on both sides with some wrinkles/changes and we win going away.
Changes?
- use two tight ends more, chip with them, and be diverse with the play calls when formations that way - this should be a weapon
- more quick hitting run game to avoid negative plays.
- get back to "throwing the guys open"- a strength of Eli especially when we have special skill players.(stop fade type routes)
- take shots downfield- create time by chipping and pushing tempo- snapping below 5 seconds on play clock is a recipe for ol disaster
- let our own de's get loose to the qb instead of the passive protect the run pass rush
- let Landon loose
I wonder what shoes Odell is wearing for pregame warmups?
no running game is going to hinder anything positive happening.
some people are in denial here i still see.
Precisely!
As many have pointed out, it's pretty difficult to string consecutive seasons with dominant defenses. Hopefully we'll be capable.
Maybe the rest of the NFL caught up to McAdoo... and he hasn't made any adjustments!
If D comes to play and the OL does squat again and he refused to admit they are a issue that spells a even bigger issue ...
Yes Eli takes some heat as well but the issue is starting upfront.
Exactly how to lose.
Handcuff your offense. Put your weakness (OL, running game) against the Lions strength (front 7) when you are on offense. Then blame the offense for not making plays. Dink and dunk so we need 10-12 mistake free plays to score. Try to get to manageable third downs? How about not getting to third down on every series? How about making some plays downfield. Hitting receivers in stride. Getting the RBs in space with screens and dump offs, draws.
Put pressure on the defense to be perfect vs a decent offense.Play it close and conservative so one turnover or ST mistake can lose the game.
GeofromNJ : 1:14 pm : link : reply
The offensive line is deteriorating by the hour. Eli has no rapport with Marshall. The running backs are mediocre. And of course, no Beckham. The Lions are a competitive team. 9-7 last year, a productive offense, with a quarterback (Stafford) who's better than Eli. I am not hopeful at all. If I'm wrong, I'll be more than happy to fess up to not knowing much about pro football.
I mean, it isn't like we played the 9-7 Lions juggernaut last year and beat them or held them to 6 points, right? How is their 9-7 more impressive than our 11-5 if we are basing it off of last year?
The OL is deteriorating by the hour? Really. No rapport with Marshall? Based on one game?
This board is really filling up with a bunch of reactionary idiots who regale us with the above insights.
Under what logic are the Lions "competitive", but we are dogshit, nevermind the historical performance of that team on the road.
Worse case for us would be Stafford having the ball at the end of the game and we're up by less than three.
I'd expect the flow of the game to be completely different tonight, esp being at home.
Ok then, but I distinctly remember many on here saying Perkins had the best vision of any RB in the draft.
That's why everything is BS until you hit the field and start playing for real.
The RBs on this team need to make plays when they are there to be made. The QB, yes, THE QB, needs to hit a fucking WR in stride when the play is there to be made, especially against a quality team. You only get so many chances early in a game. Miss those chances and things get ugly.
Why would McAdoo single out other players on this offense? He's not saying this shit for his health or to instill confidence in the OL. He's blasting the RBs because they don't make plays! Never! There have been creases --there have been holes. The RB gets 3-4-5 yards on a play that could have gotten 15-20.
Make a fucking play tonight when it's there. Just once. ONE! They haven't in years. Fact.
Football is won and lost up front. The Giants suck up front on offense, so it's going to be a struggle all year unless A) the OL gets better, and/or B) they get more creative on offense. It's that simple. It doesn't matter what shiny new toys you have at receiver or RB if the OL can't get the job done.
Everyone slobs over EE's ability, how'd he do yesterday when Denver destroyed them up front?
They aren't going to play like shit every week.
They're winning tonight. Bank on it.
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Looks as if B.J. Goodson will not play. LB Curtis Grant this afternoon will be signed off practice squad. Grant eligible to play tonight.
My previous comment was simple you got to run the ball to succeed I'm not saying running all the time I'm saying establish it get them out of two safeties back make them play you honest then the play-action will work obviously.
We brought in a supposedly a great blocking tight end plus drafted a tight end that is a great past receiver but is supposed to be an adequate blocker and we have four tight ends on the roster and a fullback. we should be able to run at least for 3.5 yards a carry. Everything else should open up if we can just establish the Run. And with a great defense you win those close games you want to keep the other team's high-powered offense off the field thAts how we won a few Super Bowls
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Does Calvin Munson start in the middle?
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Looks as if B.J. Goodson will not play. LB Curtis Grant this afternoon will be signed off practice squad. Grant eligible to play tonight.
So no Goodson, and possibly Jenkins.....awesome...
Wonderful.
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Looks as if B.J. Goodson will not play. LB Curtis Grant this afternoon will be signed off practice squad. Grant eligible to play tonight.
Does Calvin Munson start in the middle?
Yes.
Three complete seasons? 2015, McAdoo as OC, team scored 24 or more points in 11 games, Eli had one of his best years, 35 TDs, 93.6 rating, more than 4,400 yards. Recall, the D stunk? Recall D couldn't hold a lead? Recall losing to the Saints 52-49?
I've seen numerous plays like that one. Perkins is terrible right now. He's thinking when he should be running hard. Running hard when he should be waiting on the play. He's young and he wasn't terrible last year but he needs to start running like an NFL starter and soon.
I'll be disappointed if Gallman isn't active tonight. IF nothing else his presence could light a fire under Perk.
Kind of hope he shuts u up too...
Remember...once we got that one, the offense really opened up and led to all of our scoring in Week 1.
They aren't going to play like shit every week.
They're winning tonight. Bank on it.
They have a much improved defense and a downright ugly offense. I would NEVER bank on the Giants playing well.
The mighty Cowboys defense that throttled McAdoo's dynamic West Coast 'offense' yielded only 5-6 TDs to the Broncos' super offense. Based on the above, Lions 35, Giants 9. We will triple our offensive output, throw at least two INTs, and Or defense will get exhausted for playing a full game before the half.
We still need a couple of weeks before the Defense scores the first TD, followed by one or two offensive TDs.
The mighty Cowboys defense that throttled McAdoo's dynamic West Coast 'offense' yielded only 5-6 TDs to the Broncos' super offense. Based on the above, Lions 35, Giants 9. We will triple our offensive output, throw at least two INTs, and Or defense will get exhausted for playing a full game before the half.
We still need a couple of weeks before the Defense scores the first TD, followed by one or two offensive TDs.
Holy pessimism Batman! Dallas's vaunted O scored about as many points against Denver's elite defense as they did against us. Unless we suddenly gift the Lions excellent field position or turnovers for TD 3 times, I do not see that offense scoring 35 points. Our D is capable of holding offenses under 20 points, now our O just needs to get more than 20!
I would hammer the under 41 total in the Sportsbook tonight.
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Unless McAdoo had a brain transplant this week, he likely will continue to use his inverted version of Belichick's strategy of continuing to use the same attack unti it STOPS working. McAdoo's version? Continue using the same approach until it BEGINS working, no matter how bad things get, and if it works, STOP. If the offense scores some points, go conservative and try to run out the last 30 minutes of the game. If no points, blame it on player execution, not on yourself for not having a good (or any) game plan, good (not overly complex) play design, or good play-calling. Our two-time Super Bowl winning QB will get jittery and sack himself, throw too high, too hard, or too inaccurately to keep the offense on the field. The past two 'meaningless' preseasons and the ensuing regular seasons reveal an ineffective and ugly offense.
The mighty Cowboys defense that throttled McAdoo's dynamic West Coast 'offense' yielded only 5-6 TDs to the Broncos' super offense. Based on the above, Lions 35, Giants 9. We will triple our offensive output, throw at least two INTs, and Or defense will get exhausted for playing a full game before the half.
We still need a couple of weeks before the Defense scores the first TD, followed by one or two offensive TDs.
Holy pessimism Batman! Dallas's vaunted O scored about as many points against Denver's elite defense as they did against us. Unless we suddenly gift the Lions excellent field position or turnovers for TD 3 times, I do not see that offense scoring 35 points. Our D is capable of holding offenses under 20 points, now our O just needs to get more than 20!
You are right, Mike. Short of a one-week turnaround, I don't see the offense scoring 2 TDs. As revised, Lions, 19-9. I hope I am wrong, but the Giants offense is soooo anemic that it's difficult to enjoy watching them.
They will run the exact same game plan they ran against us last December when we only scored 17 points.
I bet the Lions are figuring that they can do that again, they will figure out a way to win based on the amount of possessions they will get because the Giants offense won't consistently possess the ball.
We should come out flying and roll. If we do we can just write-off the Dallas game and move forward. If we don't then its going to be a long season.
Just sit, watch, and hope....like every other game.
The question is about scheme and style not about players. Predictable and reactive will result in a loss. Assertive and dictating tempo on both sides with some wrinkles/changes and we win going away.
Changes?
- use two tight ends more, chip with them, and be diverse with the play calls when formations that way - this should be a weapon
- more quick hitting run game to avoid negative plays.
- get back to "throwing the guys open"- a strength of Eli especially when we have special skill players.(stop fade type routes)
- take shots downfield- create time by chipping and pushing tempo- snapping below 5 seconds on play clock is a recipe for ol disaster
- let our own de's get loose to the qb instead of the passive protect the run pass rush
- let Landon loose
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Odell Beckham just came out. McAdoo and Reese out here to watch him test his ankle.
Watching @OBJ_3 right now, he put a ton of equal pressure on both ankles at roughly 85 percent speed without limitation.
@OBJ_3 jumps into Eli Manning's warmups with the WRs, catches slant after putting foot in ground and going full speed. Leaning 80-20 yes.
Based on what I've seen so far, with my untrained medical eye: I think @OBJ_3 plays and @JjenkzLockdown sits tonight.
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