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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/18/2017 8:02 pm
C'mon Giants.... we need this one.
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Looking forward to Marshall's post-game  
CT Charlie : 9/18/2017 11:19 pm : link
comments. The ball he dropped was gorgeous, and though his arms were grabbed on the endzone throw, he made no effort to go for the ball or to sell the pass interference.
RE: I think we get shut out next week in philly  
allstarjim : 9/18/2017 11:19 pm : link
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Dead serious


It could happen. They better play desperate.
This  
AcidTest : 9/18/2017 11:20 pm : link
is the eighth or ninth consecutive game where the Giants have not scored 20 points.
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PatersonPlank : 9/18/2017 11:20 pm : link
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ball has to go past the sticks on that play, even if you have to force it down field. You don't throw short, unless you are absolutely sure the receiver can get the first down. And that was not true in that situation. Bad decision by Eli. Vereen should have run a better route, but Eli should have looked elsewhere.

Come on stop with your anti-Eli agenda. You're showing a lack of understanding basic football. It is paramount the Receiver gets pass the sticks because this is a bang-bang play that requires timing and situational awareness on the receiver. In addition you can usually count on Vereen getting 1 yard after the catch 99% of the time



I have no anti-Eli agenda. He's getting killed. He has no running game, and the pass protection is bad. But he's immobile, misses receivers even when he has time, and should have gone elsewhere on fourth down.


Blaming that on him is nothing but an anti Eli take



No, it is not. Even Sy'56 was perplexed about why they keep throwing short of the sticks. And he knows more about football than you, I, or anyone on this board.


LMAO Sy never said that is on Eli so stop trying to spin it that way. WTF is he supposed to do if the receiver is not aware of the 1st down? When have you ever heard a game getting called where the QB is wrong for throwing to the open receiver who ran the route short. This is basic football here




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Sy'56 : 10:55 pm : link : reply
Are they going to throw a pass short of the first down marker? Seriously...

The QB throws the ball. Eli is the QB.

You don't take a chance on fourth down unless the receiver is clearly able to get the first down. Eli could see Vereen was close, but not past the marker, and that a defender was nearby. You go elsewhere. And he just did it again to Beckham.


Thats rediculous. So Eli is supposed to hold the ball instead of throwing to an open guy? What happens when he gets sacked, then you kill him for that. Eli can't see if the guys is on the 48 or 50 yard line. In your scenario then a receiver needs to be like on the 45 or 40 before he can throw it to him. This is a common receiver responsibility. I am shocked some on here don't realize its the receivers fault. If you played any football you'd know that.
RE: This  
dpinzow : 9/18/2017 11:20 pm : link
In comment 13604820 AcidTest said:
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is the eighth or ninth consecutive game where the Giants have not scored 20 points.


8th straight
RE: Not gonna help NFL ratings  
The_Boss : 9/18/2017 11:20 pm : link
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When the two NY teams are fucking train wrecks.


The jets have their excuse.
RE: DRC out there still.  
spike : 9/18/2017 11:20 pm : link
In comment 13604797 Dave in Hoboken said:
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So, guess he's okay.


Sit the starters
RE: I think we get shut out next week in philly  
Giantfan in skinland : 9/18/2017 11:20 pm : link
In comment 13604800 The_Boss said:
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Dead serious


Not really going out on a limb. We've scored one TD in two games.
Been here nearly two years  
LatHarv83 : 9/18/2017 11:20 pm : link
Long enough to see that some of you will never criticize Eli no matter what, that's fine. He may not be the problem, but turning 37 this season he certainly isn't the solution for an offense that has a long way to go. And he absolutely has shown signs of decline to anyone paying attention, even if you'd rather direct your attention elsewhere to avoid ever spouting a critical opinion of him
RE: RE: MacAdoo may lose this team. It could be like the Bears in 85  
HomerJones45 : 9/18/2017 11:21 pm : link
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with basically 2 head coaches.



No, think the Giants in 1995-1996 with Reeves and the offense/defense feud
The Bears did not have two HC. Ditka was the HC and all Buddy ran his mouth and got headlines- mske no mistake who was in charge.
RE: RE: It's not on Eli  
montanagiant : 9/18/2017 11:21 pm : link
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because he 15 yards away from the receiver. It's the receiver's job to run a route past the first down marker. How's the QB to see if he's a yard away?


Not really, because the guy short of the first down is usually the check down guy
That was not a check down, that was the #1 target on that play and he was wide open.
But as a Final thing for cheer up  
32_Razor : 9/18/2017 11:21 pm : link
ODELL HAIR IS FANTASTIC!!!! and that is what's important
HSS better arrange accepting physicians at HUP for next week.  
Jim in Hoboken : 9/18/2017 11:21 pm : link
My god we suck!!
Cant wait for Mac's post game Press Conference  
LeftHook : 9/18/2017 11:21 pm : link
This ought to be good.
.  
Danny Kanell : 9/18/2017 11:21 pm : link
Started 0-2 4 of the past 5 years. What happened to this franchise?
RE: RE: ELI hit Engram in the hands. Engram did not secure and got thumped  
wonderback : 9/18/2017 11:21 pm : link
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he will learn



It was a pretty good throw. The ball needed to be deeper and to the sideline side of Engram. It was far from a perfect throw, and that's part of the reason it was incomplete.


Maybe he was thinking about grabbing his crotch again for his end zone celebration, got excited and dropped the ball?
RE: RE: ELI hit Engram in the hands. Engram did not secure and got thumped  
BurberryManning : 9/18/2017 11:21 pm : link
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he will learn



It was a pretty good throw. The ball needed to be deeper and to the sideline side of Engram. It was far from a perfect throw, and that's part of the reason it was incomplete.
There are maybe a handful of quarterbacks on the planet that could've made the throw that Eli made, without his feet set as he was evading the rush. Aside from walking the ball over to Evan, that's about the best you're going to get in threading a tight window.
Jim Schwartz and that Philly D is licking their chops!  
Simms11 : 9/18/2017 11:21 pm : link
We've scored 13 point total in 2 games and have not surpassed 20 now in like 8 straight games. You think something's wrong with this offense?
We will go 0 and 2 and I bet we all thought  
nicky43 : 9/18/2017 11:21 pm : link
we'd be 2 and 0 after this game. Going to be a long season guys. If Reese had any brains he'd try to find a left tackle even if it means trading away a first round or this season is over!
RE: Trading OBJ for two solid offensive linemen  
ny_thick_n_thin : 9/18/2017 11:21 pm : link
In comment 13604812 LAXin said:
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probably would increase our chance of winning right now.

Not saying we should or could do it, but that's how bad the line js.


Tis true.

You can't give up OBJ, but we are wasting his talent, and whatever Eli has left with a putrid line.

Pugh should stay at RT, or heck, try Flowers at RT.

Nothing to lose at this point. The line sucks.

The team sucks.
RE: RE: RE: MacAdoo may lose this team. It could be like the Bears in 85  
PatersonPlank : 9/18/2017 11:22 pm : link
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with basically 2 head coaches.



No, think the Giants in 1995-1996 with Reeves and the offense/defense feud

The Bears did not have two HC. Ditka was the HC and all Buddy ran his mouth and got headlines- mske no mistake who was in charge.


Thats not right. The defense would a carry Buddy off after wins. Buddy was a big idiot, but he was looked at like the coach by the D.
RE: Trading OBJ for two solid offensive linemen  
Essex : 9/18/2017 11:22 pm : link
In comment 13604812 LAXin said:
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probably would increase our chance of winning right now.

Not saying we should or could do it, but that's how bad the line js.

I would absolutely trade OBJ for two good offensive tackles, the problem is that no GM in their right mind would do it (I know you weren't saying this would happen but making a point).
for what its worth..Cockrell and Munson played good tonight  
32_Razor : 9/18/2017 11:22 pm : link
imo
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SHO'NUFF : 9/18/2017 11:22 pm : link
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ball has to go past the sticks on that play, even if you have to force it down field. You don't throw short, unless you are absolutely sure the receiver can get the first down. And that was not true in that situation. Bad decision by Eli. Vereen should have run a better route, but Eli should have looked elsewhere.

Come on stop with your anti-Eli agenda. You're showing a lack of understanding basic football. It is paramount the Receiver gets pass the sticks because this is a bang-bang play that requires timing and situational awareness on the receiver. In addition you can usually count on Vereen getting 1 yard after the catch 99% of the time



I have no anti-Eli agenda. He's getting killed. He has no running game, and the pass protection is bad. But he's immobile, misses receivers even when he has time, and should have gone elsewhere on fourth down.


Blaming that on him is nothing but an anti Eli take



No, it is not. Even Sy'56 was perplexed about why they keep throwing short of the sticks. And he knows more about football than you, I, or anyone on this board.


LMAO Sy never said that is on Eli so stop trying to spin it that way. WTF is he supposed to do if the receiver is not aware of the 1st down? When have you ever heard a game getting called where the QB is wrong for throwing to the open receiver who ran the route short. This is basic football here




What Sy said:

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Sy'56 : 10:55 pm : link : reply
Are they going to throw a pass short of the first down marker? Seriously...

The QB throws the ball. Eli is the QB.

You don't take a chance on fourth down unless the receiver is clearly able to get the first down. Eli could see Vereen was close, but not past the marker, and that a defender was nearby. You go elsewhere. And he just did it again to Beckham.


Eli is of the "give your receiver a chance to make the play" variety.
If you are a confident head coach  
yalebowl : 9/18/2017 11:22 pm : link
You get an offensive coordinator who has been a head coach and let him run the offense. Parcells had Ron Earhart. The Giants should have gotten someone like Irv Turner as OC.

But if you are a rookie head coach you are afraid to share authority.
RE: We will go 0 and 2 and I bet we all thought  
ny_thick_n_thin : 9/18/2017 11:23 pm : link
In comment 13604854 nicky43 said:
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we'd be 2 and 0 after this game. Going to be a long season guys. If Reese had any brains he'd try to find a left tackle even if it means trading away a first round or this season is over!


I want to be excited for a possible high draft pick. The again, it gives Reese another chance to draft Flowers 2.0
This team  
Marty866b : 9/18/2017 11:23 pm : link
Reminds me of the ones that played in the Yale Bowl. Pretty good defensively but awful at every other phase. This is a bad team with a terrible offensive line,an old qb in decline,no NFL starting running back on its roster, overrated wideouts except#13,and a good,but also overrated defense.Very disappointing because I didn't see this coming.
RE: Cant wait for Mac's post game Press Conference  
nicky43 : 9/18/2017 11:23 pm : link
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This ought to be good.


Where do the show this interview with BM? I'd like to see it too.
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montanagiant : 9/18/2017 11:23 pm : link
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ball has to go past the sticks on that play, even if you have to force it down field. You don't throw short, unless you are absolutely sure the receiver can get the first down. And that was not true in that situation. Bad decision by Eli. Vereen should have run a better route, but Eli should have looked elsewhere.

Come on stop with your anti-Eli agenda. You're showing a lack of understanding basic football. It is paramount the Receiver gets pass the sticks because this is a bang-bang play that requires timing and situational awareness on the receiver. In addition you can usually count on Vereen getting 1 yard after the catch 99% of the time



I have no anti-Eli agenda. He's getting killed. He has no running game, and the pass protection is bad. But he's immobile, misses receivers even when he has time, and should have gone elsewhere on fourth down.


Blaming that on him is nothing but an anti Eli take



No, it is not. Even Sy'56 was perplexed about why they keep throwing short of the sticks. And he knows more about football than you, I, or anyone on this board.


LMAO Sy never said that is on Eli so stop trying to spin it that way. WTF is he supposed to do if the receiver is not aware of the 1st down? When have you ever heard a game getting called where the QB is wrong for throwing to the open receiver who ran the route short. This is basic football here




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Sy'56 : 10:55 pm : link : reply
Are they going to throw a pass short of the first down marker? Seriously...

The QB throws the ball. Eli is the QB.

You don't take a chance on fourth down unless the receiver is clearly able to get the first down. Eli could see Vereen was close, but not past the marker, and that a defender was nearby. You go elsewhere. And he just did it again to Beckham.

This assumes that there is A) time to go elsewhere, and B) an open receiver elsewhere. Can you definitely make those claims at this point?

Don't even waste your time on this fucking idiot BM. He is intent on feeding a silly agenda
.  
Danny Kanell : 9/18/2017 11:23 pm : link
Snacks isn't quitting at least.
RE: RE: RE: ELI hit Engram in the hands. Engram did not secure and got thumped  
allstarjim : 9/18/2017 11:24 pm : link
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he will learn



It was a pretty good throw. The ball needed to be deeper and to the sideline side of Engram. It was far from a perfect throw, and that's part of the reason it was incomplete.

There are maybe a handful of quarterbacks on the planet that could've made the throw that Eli made, without his feet set as he was evading the rush. Aside from walking the ball over to Evan, that's about the best you're going to get in threading a tight window.


Lol give me a break. Any NFL QB can make that throw.
All we really need is:  
nicky43 : 9/18/2017 11:24 pm : link
2 starting tackles
A starting Guard
A new Head Coach
and a new GM!
RE: This team  
Simms11 : 9/18/2017 11:24 pm : link
In comment 13604870 Marty866b said:
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Reminds me of the ones that played in the Yale Bowl. Pretty good defensively but awful at every other phase. This is a bad team with a terrible offensive line,an old qb in decline,no NFL starting running back on its roster, overrated wideouts except#13,and a good,but also overrated defense.Very disappointing because I didn't see this coming.


This is the Giants of the 70s all over again. I thought I'd never see those times again?!
RE: We will go 0 and 2 and I bet we all thought  
The_Boss : 9/18/2017 11:25 pm : link
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we'd be 2 and 0 after this game. Going to be a long season guys. If Reese had any brains he'd try to find a left tackle even if it means trading away a first round or this season is over!


Season is already over. Save the resources. Might need it to go get a QB next April.
RE: Been here nearly two years  
BurberryManning : 9/18/2017 11:25 pm : link
In comment 13604830 LatHarv83 said:
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Long enough to see that some of you will never criticize Eli no matter what, that's fine. He may not be the problem, but turning 37 this season he certainly isn't the solution for an offense that has a long way to go. And he absolutely has shown signs of decline to anyone paying attention, even if you'd rather direct your attention elsewhere to avoid ever spouting a critical opinion of him
Please identify the decline. Was it Eli's accuracy? He seemed accurate on deep balls to Marshall, an incompletion to Ingram, etc. In fact, without two Marshall drops, the OBJ drop, Ingram's drop, you're looking at a completion rate north of 65%.

Eli's arm strength? He seemed to have it in incomptions to Ingram and Marshall.

His decision making? Without the benefit of All-22 let's not pretend that you can tell. Toughness? Please.
Embarrassing showing  
Eman11 : 9/18/2017 11:25 pm : link
Two weeks in a row on National TV to open the season. Unbelievable!

Ben has his biggest challenge as HC coming up and I'm not sure he's close to being up to the challenge.
OBJ  
old man : 9/18/2017 11:25 pm : link
will NOT re-sign with this team unless he loves money over losing...which I doubt...when he can have W's and$$$$.
This team won't have a good OL (maybe) until at least the '19 season at best. And by then the D will be gone.
Wagnner Lang Whitworth Reiiff and others were available and No One willing to come?? And don't think Eli would not have given back $$$ to not get the snot kicked out of him every game behind this crapfest of ' protection' to go along the previous 5 years of crapfest.

RE: Been here nearly two years  
HomerJones45 : 9/18/2017 11:25 pm : link
In comment 13604830 LatHarv83 said:
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Long enough to see that some of you will never criticize Eli no matter what, that's fine. He may not be the problem, but turning 37 this season he certainly isn't the solution for an offense that has a long way to go. And he absolutely has shown signs of decline to anyone paying attention, even if you'd rather direct your attention elsewhere to avoid ever spouting a critical opinion of him
Stuck in a shitty offense throwing 2 yard passes and making ball fakes that are useless when nothing is done to establish the running game first. Bad design, bad scheme and bad playcalling.

But this is the offense you all wanted. Simplify. Get rid of those bad option routes. Screw "balance" and complete 80% of these 2 yard throws. Well, you got it.
John Gruden...  
ny_thick_n_thin : 9/18/2017 11:26 pm : link
You are right. I didn't see this putrid offense coming.

But I drank the kool-aid on Flowers working to get better.
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AcidTest : 9/18/2017 11:26 pm : link
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ball has to go past the sticks on that play, even if you have to force it down field. You don't throw short, unless you are absolutely sure the receiver can get the first down. And that was not true in that situation. Bad decision by Eli. Vereen should have run a better route, but Eli should have looked elsewhere.

Come on stop with your anti-Eli agenda. You're showing a lack of understanding basic football. It is paramount the Receiver gets pass the sticks because this is a bang-bang play that requires timing and situational awareness on the receiver. In addition you can usually count on Vereen getting 1 yard after the catch 99% of the time



I have no anti-Eli agenda. He's getting killed. He has no running game, and the pass protection is bad. But he's immobile, misses receivers even when he has time, and should have gone elsewhere on fourth down.


Blaming that on him is nothing but an anti Eli take



No, it is not. Even Sy'56 was perplexed about why they keep throwing short of the sticks. And he knows more about football than you, I, or anyone on this board.


LMAO Sy never said that is on Eli so stop trying to spin it that way. WTF is he supposed to do if the receiver is not aware of the 1st down? When have you ever heard a game getting called where the QB is wrong for throwing to the open receiver who ran the route short. This is basic football here




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Sy'56 : 10:55 pm : link : reply
Are they going to throw a pass short of the first down marker? Seriously...

The QB throws the ball. Eli is the QB.

You don't take a chance on fourth down unless the receiver is clearly able to get the first down. Eli could see Vereen was close, but not past the marker, and that a defender was nearby. You go elsewhere. And he just did it again to Beckham.

This assumes that there is A) time to go elsewhere, and B) an open receiver elsewhere. Can you definitely make those claims at this point?


Don't even waste your time on this fucking idiot BM. He is intent on feeding a silly agenda


Why must you use profanity? I wasn't profane. Why are you? Or is that the way you respond to those who disagree with you? This is a sports board. I won't respond in kind.
Devastating loss. It looks like the Giants aren't as good  
Ira : 9/18/2017 11:27 pm : link
as we thought they'd be.
McAdoo is going to start feeling some serious heat  
montanagiant : 9/18/2017 11:27 pm : link
Not all his fault but this is a broken team above and beyond the Offensive line and that falls on him
RE: RE: RE: RE: ELI hit Engram in the hands. Engram did not secure and got thumped  
BurberryManning : 9/18/2017 11:27 pm : link
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he will learn



It was a pretty good throw. The ball needed to be deeper and to the sideline side of Engram. It was far from a perfect throw, and that's part of the reason it was incomplete.

There are maybe a handful of quarterbacks on the planet that could've made the throw that Eli made, without his feet set as he was evading the rush. Aside from walking the ball over to Evan, that's about the best you're going to get in threading a tight window.



Lol give me a break. Any NFL QB can make that throw.
Then it should be quite easy for you to link video evidence to substantiate your claim. Perhaps from just a handful of QBs
Eli has been doing more than his fair share  
nicky43 : 9/18/2017 11:29 pm : link
and is the only one on the offense playing smart solid football which is amazing behind this line. I feel sorry for him. All those great stats he could have had destroyed by the stupidity of our GM. And Eli isn't even the type of player that cares about stats.
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montanagiant : 9/18/2017 11:30 pm : link
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Don't even waste your time on this fucking idiot BM. He is intent on feeding a silly agenda



Why must you use profanity? I wasn't profane. Why are you? Or is that the way you respond to those who disagree with you? This is a sports board. I won't respond in kind.

Because you sit here making shit up and taking out of context stuff others have said and mainly because you're a fucking idiot
RE: John Gruden...  
nicky43 : 9/18/2017 11:31 pm : link
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You are right. I didn't see this putrid offense coming.

But I drank the kool-aid on Flowers working to get better.


That's why I can't respect Ben. He's covering for the GM saying the line is fine and if he really believes that he a worse coach than I think he is and that's VERY bad!
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: ELI hit Engram in the hands. Engram did not secure and got thumped  
map7711 : 9/18/2017 11:32 pm : link
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It was a pretty good throw. The ball needed to be deeper and to the sideline side of Engram. It was far from a perfect throw, and that's part of the reason it was incomplete.

There are maybe a handful of quarterbacks on the planet that could've made the throw that Eli made, without his feet set as he was evading the rush. Aside from walking the ball over to Evan, that's about the best you're going to get in threading a tight window.



Lol give me a break. Any NFL QB can make that throw.

Then it should be quite easy for you to link video evidence to substantiate your claim. Perhaps from just a handful of QBs


There are just 4-5 guys on BBI that just have an anti Eli agenda. No matter what the whole world sees- horrible oline play, no running game, WRs dropping passes etc - they will still go out of their way to make it Elis fault. Gruden just destroying the oline play- still Eli's fault. Every reporter talking about the oline play- Eli's fault. It's unreal.
RE: If you are a confident head coach  
Eman11 : 9/18/2017 11:32 pm : link
In comment 13604866 yalebowl said:
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You get an offensive coordinator who has been a head coach and let him run the offense. Parcells had Ron Earhart. The Giants should have gotten someone like Irv Turner as OC.

But if you are a rookie head coach you are afraid to share authority.


Agree with you 100%. Problem is Ben doesn't have the confidence or balls Parcells had.
RE: RE: Cant wait for Mac's post game Press Conference  
LeftHook : 9/18/2017 11:49 pm : link
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This ought to be good.



Where do the show this interview with BM? I'd like to see it too.
the Iggles  
clydeman1 : 9/19/2017 8:14 am : link
are licking their beaks right now.....
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