Was it the OL or Marshall who threw the INT in the first half that handed the Lions points?
Is there some reason we *have* to give Eli a pass for his shit first half? Even if he did recover and play much better in the second half, it's not as if damage wasn't done.
When he did have time, he held the ball for too damn long or was off target far too often. Wasn't the reason we lost, but doesn't deserve to be absolved either.
What plays were for the taking in the first half that Eli did not convert? Please be specific. Are you labeling his first half "shit" solely due to his interception? If so, I'd imagine you would label any QB that throws an interception as having endured a shit half. Eli missed precisely one other pass in the first half.
Was it the OL or Marshall who threw the INT in the first half that handed the Lions points?
Is there some reason we *have* to give Eli a pass for his shit first half? Even if he did recover and play much better in the second half, it's not as if damage wasn't done.
When he did have time, he held the ball for too damn long or was off target far too often. Wasn't the reason we lost, but doesn't deserve to be absolved either.
He was 7-9 with one bad throw for the INT. His OL couldn't block to save his ass, but by all means complain that the problem is Eli.
It was a pretty good throw. The ball needed to be deeper and to the sideline side of Engram. It was far from a perfect throw, and that's part of the reason it was incomplete.
Was it the OL or Marshall who threw the INT in the first half that handed the Lions points?
Is there some reason we *have* to give Eli a pass for his shit first half? Even if he did recover and play much better in the second half, it's not as if damage wasn't done.
When he did have time, he held the ball for too damn long or was off target far too often. Wasn't the reason we lost, but doesn't deserve to be absolved either.
After what we all just saw, how you can keep this Eli bashing shit up is quite remarkable. With the oline the way it is, I give you credit. I really do.
ball has to go past the sticks on that play, even if you have to force it down field. You don't throw short, unless you are absolutely sure the receiver can get the first down. And that was not true in that situation. Bad decision by Eli. Vereen should have run a better route, but Eli should have looked elsewhere.
Come on stop with your anti-Eli agenda. You're showing a lack of understanding basic football. It is paramount the Receiver gets pass the sticks because this is a bang-bang play that requires timing and situational awareness on the receiver. In addition you can usually count on Vereen getting 1 yard after the catch 99% of the time
I have no anti-Eli agenda. He's getting killed. He has no running game, and the pass protection is bad. But he's immobile, misses receivers even when he has time, and should have gone elsewhere on fourth down.
Blaming that on him is nothing but an anti Eli take
No, it is not. Even Sy'56 was perplexed about why they keep throwing short of the sticks. And he knows more about football than you, I, or anyone on this board.
LMAO Sy never said that is on Eli so stop trying to spin it that way. WTF is he supposed to do if the receiver is not aware of the 1st down? When have you ever heard a game getting called where the QB is wrong for throwing to the open receiver who ran the route short. This is basic football here
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Are they going to throw a pass short of the first down marker? Seriously...
The QB throws the ball. Eli is the QB.
You don't take a chance on fourth down unless the receiver is clearly able to get the first down. Eli could see Vereen was close, but not past the marker, and that a defender was nearby. You go elsewhere. And he just did it again to Beckham.
This assumes that there is A) time to go elsewhere, and B) an open receiver elsewhere. Can you definitely make those claims at this point?
comments. The ball he dropped was gorgeous, and though his arms were grabbed on the endzone throw, he made no effort to go for the ball or to sell the pass interference.
ball has to go past the sticks on that play, even if you have to force it down field. You don't throw short, unless you are absolutely sure the receiver can get the first down. And that was not true in that situation. Bad decision by Eli. Vereen should have run a better route, but Eli should have looked elsewhere.
Come on stop with your anti-Eli agenda. You're showing a lack of understanding basic football. It is paramount the Receiver gets pass the sticks because this is a bang-bang play that requires timing and situational awareness on the receiver. In addition you can usually count on Vereen getting 1 yard after the catch 99% of the time
I have no anti-Eli agenda. He's getting killed. He has no running game, and the pass protection is bad. But he's immobile, misses receivers even when he has time, and should have gone elsewhere on fourth down.
Blaming that on him is nothing but an anti Eli take
No, it is not. Even Sy'56 was perplexed about why they keep throwing short of the sticks. And he knows more about football than you, I, or anyone on this board.
LMAO Sy never said that is on Eli so stop trying to spin it that way. WTF is he supposed to do if the receiver is not aware of the 1st down? When have you ever heard a game getting called where the QB is wrong for throwing to the open receiver who ran the route short. This is basic football here
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Are they going to throw a pass short of the first down marker? Seriously...
The QB throws the ball. Eli is the QB.
You don't take a chance on fourth down unless the receiver is clearly able to get the first down. Eli could see Vereen was close, but not past the marker, and that a defender was nearby. You go elsewhere. And he just did it again to Beckham.
Thats rediculous. So Eli is supposed to hold the ball instead of throwing to an open guy? What happens when he gets sacked, then you kill him for that. Eli can't see if the guys is on the 48 or 50 yard line. In your scenario then a receiver needs to be like on the 45 or 40 before he can throw it to him. This is a common receiver responsibility. I am shocked some on here don't realize its the receivers fault. If you played any football you'd know that.
Long enough to see that some of you will never criticize Eli no matter what, that's fine. He may not be the problem, but turning 37 this season he certainly isn't the solution for an offense that has a long way to go. And he absolutely has shown signs of decline to anyone paying attention, even if you'd rather direct your attention elsewhere to avoid ever spouting a critical opinion of him
RE: RE: MacAdoo may lose this team. It could be like the Bears in 85
because he 15 yards away from the receiver. It's the receiver's job to run a route past the first down marker. How's the QB to see if he's a yard away?
Not really, because the guy short of the first down is usually the check down guy
That was not a check down, that was the #1 target on that play and he was wide open.
It was a pretty good throw. The ball needed to be deeper and to the sideline side of Engram. It was far from a perfect throw, and that's part of the reason it was incomplete.
Maybe he was thinking about grabbing his crotch again for his end zone celebration, got excited and dropped the ball?
RE: RE: ELI hit Engram in the hands. Engram did not secure and got thumped
It was a pretty good throw. The ball needed to be deeper and to the sideline side of Engram. It was far from a perfect throw, and that's part of the reason it was incomplete.
There are maybe a handful of quarterbacks on the planet that could've made the throw that Eli made, without his feet set as he was evading the rush. Aside from walking the ball over to Evan, that's about the best you're going to get in threading a tight window.
Jim Schwartz and that Philly D is licking their chops!
we'd be 2 and 0 after this game. Going to be a long season guys. If Reese had any brains he'd try to find a left tackle even if it means trading away a first round or this season is over!
probably would increase our chance of winning right now.
Not saying we should or could do it, but that's how bad the line js.
I would absolutely trade OBJ for two good offensive tackles, the problem is that no GM in their right mind would do it (I know you weren't saying this would happen but making a point).
for what its worth..Cockrell and Munson played good tonight
ball has to go past the sticks on that play, even if you have to force it down field. You don't throw short, unless you are absolutely sure the receiver can get the first down. And that was not true in that situation. Bad decision by Eli. Vereen should have run a better route, but Eli should have looked elsewhere.
Come on stop with your anti-Eli agenda. You're showing a lack of understanding basic football. It is paramount the Receiver gets pass the sticks because this is a bang-bang play that requires timing and situational awareness on the receiver. In addition you can usually count on Vereen getting 1 yard after the catch 99% of the time
I have no anti-Eli agenda. He's getting killed. He has no running game, and the pass protection is bad. But he's immobile, misses receivers even when he has time, and should have gone elsewhere on fourth down.
Blaming that on him is nothing but an anti Eli take
No, it is not. Even Sy'56 was perplexed about why they keep throwing short of the sticks. And he knows more about football than you, I, or anyone on this board.
LMAO Sy never said that is on Eli so stop trying to spin it that way. WTF is he supposed to do if the receiver is not aware of the 1st down? When have you ever heard a game getting called where the QB is wrong for throwing to the open receiver who ran the route short. This is basic football here
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Are they going to throw a pass short of the first down marker? Seriously...
The QB throws the ball. Eli is the QB.
You don't take a chance on fourth down unless the receiver is clearly able to get the first down. Eli could see Vereen was close, but not past the marker, and that a defender was nearby. You go elsewhere. And he just did it again to Beckham.
Eli is of the "give your receiver a chance to make the play" variety.
You get an offensive coordinator who has been a head coach and let him run the offense. Parcells had Ron Earhart. The Giants should have gotten someone like Irv Turner as OC.
But if you are a rookie head coach you are afraid to share authority.
we'd be 2 and 0 after this game. Going to be a long season guys. If Reese had any brains he'd try to find a left tackle even if it means trading away a first round or this season is over!
I want to be excited for a possible high draft pick. The again, it gives Reese another chance to draft Flowers 2.0
Reminds me of the ones that played in the Yale Bowl. Pretty good defensively but awful at every other phase. This is a bad team with a terrible offensive line,an old qb in decline,no NFL starting running back on its roster, overrated wideouts except#13,and a good,but also overrated defense.Very disappointing because I didn't see this coming.
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ball has to go past the sticks on that play, even if you have to force it down field. You don't throw short, unless you are absolutely sure the receiver can get the first down. And that was not true in that situation. Bad decision by Eli. Vereen should have run a better route, but Eli should have looked elsewhere.
Come on stop with your anti-Eli agenda. You're showing a lack of understanding basic football. It is paramount the Receiver gets pass the sticks because this is a bang-bang play that requires timing and situational awareness on the receiver. In addition you can usually count on Vereen getting 1 yard after the catch 99% of the time
I have no anti-Eli agenda. He's getting killed. He has no running game, and the pass protection is bad. But he's immobile, misses receivers even when he has time, and should have gone elsewhere on fourth down.
Blaming that on him is nothing but an anti Eli take
No, it is not. Even Sy'56 was perplexed about why they keep throwing short of the sticks. And he knows more about football than you, I, or anyone on this board.
LMAO Sy never said that is on Eli so stop trying to spin it that way. WTF is he supposed to do if the receiver is not aware of the 1st down? When have you ever heard a game getting called where the QB is wrong for throwing to the open receiver who ran the route short. This is basic football here
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Are they going to throw a pass short of the first down marker? Seriously...
The QB throws the ball. Eli is the QB.
You don't take a chance on fourth down unless the receiver is clearly able to get the first down. Eli could see Vereen was close, but not past the marker, and that a defender was nearby. You go elsewhere. And he just did it again to Beckham.
This assumes that there is A) time to go elsewhere, and B) an open receiver elsewhere. Can you definitely make those claims at this point?
Don't even waste your time on this fucking idiot BM. He is intent on feeding a silly agenda
He is the very definition of frail cornerback.
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Was it the OL or Marshall who threw the INT in the first half that handed the Lions points?
Is there some reason we *have* to give Eli a pass for his shit first half? Even if he did recover and play much better in the second half, it's not as if damage wasn't done.
When he did have time, he held the ball for too damn long or was off target far too often. Wasn't the reason we lost, but doesn't deserve to be absolved either.
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We shouldve gotten Decker instead
Was it the OL or Marshall who threw the INT in the first half that handed the Lions points?
Is there some reason we *have* to give Eli a pass for his shit first half? Even if he did recover and play much better in the second half, it's not as if damage wasn't done.
When he did have time, he held the ball for too damn long or was off target far too often. Wasn't the reason we lost, but doesn't deserve to be absolved either.
He was 7-9 with one bad throw for the INT. His OL couldn't block to save his ass, but by all means complain that the problem is Eli.
No, think the Giants in 1995-1996 with Reeves and the offense/defense feud
Stay healthy so you can get a contract on another team.
It was a pretty good throw. The ball needed to be deeper and to the sideline side of Engram. It was far from a perfect throw, and that's part of the reason it was incomplete.
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We shouldve gotten Decker instead
Was it the OL or Marshall who threw the INT in the first half that handed the Lions points?
Is there some reason we *have* to give Eli a pass for his shit first half? Even if he did recover and play much better in the second half, it's not as if damage wasn't done.
When he did have time, he held the ball for too damn long or was off target far too often. Wasn't the reason we lost, but doesn't deserve to be absolved either.
After what we all just saw, how you can keep this Eli bashing shit up is quite remarkable. With the oline the way it is, I give you credit. I really do.
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ball has to go past the sticks on that play, even if you have to force it down field. You don't throw short, unless you are absolutely sure the receiver can get the first down. And that was not true in that situation. Bad decision by Eli. Vereen should have run a better route, but Eli should have looked elsewhere.
Come on stop with your anti-Eli agenda. You're showing a lack of understanding basic football. It is paramount the Receiver gets pass the sticks because this is a bang-bang play that requires timing and situational awareness on the receiver. In addition you can usually count on Vereen getting 1 yard after the catch 99% of the time
I have no anti-Eli agenda. He's getting killed. He has no running game, and the pass protection is bad. But he's immobile, misses receivers even when he has time, and should have gone elsewhere on fourth down.
Blaming that on him is nothing but an anti Eli take
No, it is not. Even Sy'56 was perplexed about why they keep throwing short of the sticks. And he knows more about football than you, I, or anyone on this board.
LMAO Sy never said that is on Eli so stop trying to spin it that way. WTF is he supposed to do if the receiver is not aware of the 1st down? When have you ever heard a game getting called where the QB is wrong for throwing to the open receiver who ran the route short. This is basic football here
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Are they going to throw a pass short of the first down marker? Seriously...
The QB throws the ball. Eli is the QB.
You don't take a chance on fourth down unless the receiver is clearly able to get the first down. Eli could see Vereen was close, but not past the marker, and that a defender was nearby. You go elsewhere. And he just did it again to Beckham.
Assuming the season unfold that way, the scary thing is, the management might not change a thing!!
.500 would be a miracle at this point.
Not saying we should or could do it, but that's how bad the line js.
It could happen. They better play desperate.
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ball has to go past the sticks on that play, even if you have to force it down field. You don't throw short, unless you are absolutely sure the receiver can get the first down. And that was not true in that situation. Bad decision by Eli. Vereen should have run a better route, but Eli should have looked elsewhere.
Come on stop with your anti-Eli agenda. You're showing a lack of understanding basic football. It is paramount the Receiver gets pass the sticks because this is a bang-bang play that requires timing and situational awareness on the receiver. In addition you can usually count on Vereen getting 1 yard after the catch 99% of the time
I have no anti-Eli agenda. He's getting killed. He has no running game, and the pass protection is bad. But he's immobile, misses receivers even when he has time, and should have gone elsewhere on fourth down.
Blaming that on him is nothing but an anti Eli take
No, it is not. Even Sy'56 was perplexed about why they keep throwing short of the sticks. And he knows more about football than you, I, or anyone on this board.
LMAO Sy never said that is on Eli so stop trying to spin it that way. WTF is he supposed to do if the receiver is not aware of the 1st down? When have you ever heard a game getting called where the QB is wrong for throwing to the open receiver who ran the route short. This is basic football here
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Sy'56 : 10:55 pm : link : reply
Are they going to throw a pass short of the first down marker? Seriously...
The QB throws the ball. Eli is the QB.
You don't take a chance on fourth down unless the receiver is clearly able to get the first down. Eli could see Vereen was close, but not past the marker, and that a defender was nearby. You go elsewhere. And he just did it again to Beckham.
Thats rediculous. So Eli is supposed to hold the ball instead of throwing to an open guy? What happens when he gets sacked, then you kill him for that. Eli can't see if the guys is on the 48 or 50 yard line. In your scenario then a receiver needs to be like on the 45 or 40 before he can throw it to him. This is a common receiver responsibility. I am shocked some on here don't realize its the receivers fault. If you played any football you'd know that.
8th straight
The jets have their excuse.
Sit the starters
Not really going out on a limb. We've scored one TD in two games.
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No, think the Giants in 1995-1996 with Reeves and the offense/defense feud
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Not really, because the guy short of the first down is usually the check down guy
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It was a pretty good throw. The ball needed to be deeper and to the sideline side of Engram. It was far from a perfect throw, and that's part of the reason it was incomplete.
Maybe he was thinking about grabbing his crotch again for his end zone celebration, got excited and dropped the ball?
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It was a pretty good throw. The ball needed to be deeper and to the sideline side of Engram. It was far from a perfect throw, and that's part of the reason it was incomplete.
Not saying we should or could do it, but that's how bad the line js.
Tis true.
You can't give up OBJ, but we are wasting his talent, and whatever Eli has left with a putrid line.
Pugh should stay at RT, or heck, try Flowers at RT.
Nothing to lose at this point. The line sucks.
The team sucks.
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No, think the Giants in 1995-1996 with Reeves and the offense/defense feud
The Bears did not have two HC. Ditka was the HC and all Buddy ran his mouth and got headlines- mske no mistake who was in charge.
Thats not right. The defense would a carry Buddy off after wins. Buddy was a big idiot, but he was looked at like the coach by the D.
Not saying we should or could do it, but that's how bad the line js.
I would absolutely trade OBJ for two good offensive tackles, the problem is that no GM in their right mind would do it (I know you weren't saying this would happen but making a point).
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ball has to go past the sticks on that play, even if you have to force it down field. You don't throw short, unless you are absolutely sure the receiver can get the first down. And that was not true in that situation. Bad decision by Eli. Vereen should have run a better route, but Eli should have looked elsewhere.
Come on stop with your anti-Eli agenda. You're showing a lack of understanding basic football. It is paramount the Receiver gets pass the sticks because this is a bang-bang play that requires timing and situational awareness on the receiver. In addition you can usually count on Vereen getting 1 yard after the catch 99% of the time
I have no anti-Eli agenda. He's getting killed. He has no running game, and the pass protection is bad. But he's immobile, misses receivers even when he has time, and should have gone elsewhere on fourth down.
Blaming that on him is nothing but an anti Eli take
No, it is not. Even Sy'56 was perplexed about why they keep throwing short of the sticks. And he knows more about football than you, I, or anyone on this board.
LMAO Sy never said that is on Eli so stop trying to spin it that way. WTF is he supposed to do if the receiver is not aware of the 1st down? When have you ever heard a game getting called where the QB is wrong for throwing to the open receiver who ran the route short. This is basic football here
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Are they going to throw a pass short of the first down marker? Seriously...
The QB throws the ball. Eli is the QB.
You don't take a chance on fourth down unless the receiver is clearly able to get the first down. Eli could see Vereen was close, but not past the marker, and that a defender was nearby. You go elsewhere. And he just did it again to Beckham.
Eli is of the "give your receiver a chance to make the play" variety.
But if you are a rookie head coach you are afraid to share authority.
I want to be excited for a possible high draft pick. The again, it gives Reese another chance to draft Flowers 2.0
Where do the show this interview with BM? I'd like to see it too.
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ball has to go past the sticks on that play, even if you have to force it down field. You don't throw short, unless you are absolutely sure the receiver can get the first down. And that was not true in that situation. Bad decision by Eli. Vereen should have run a better route, but Eli should have looked elsewhere.
Come on stop with your anti-Eli agenda. You're showing a lack of understanding basic football. It is paramount the Receiver gets pass the sticks because this is a bang-bang play that requires timing and situational awareness on the receiver. In addition you can usually count on Vereen getting 1 yard after the catch 99% of the time
I have no anti-Eli agenda. He's getting killed. He has no running game, and the pass protection is bad. But he's immobile, misses receivers even when he has time, and should have gone elsewhere on fourth down.
Blaming that on him is nothing but an anti Eli take
No, it is not. Even Sy'56 was perplexed about why they keep throwing short of the sticks. And he knows more about football than you, I, or anyone on this board.
LMAO Sy never said that is on Eli so stop trying to spin it that way. WTF is he supposed to do if the receiver is not aware of the 1st down? When have you ever heard a game getting called where the QB is wrong for throwing to the open receiver who ran the route short. This is basic football here
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Are they going to throw a pass short of the first down marker? Seriously...
The QB throws the ball. Eli is the QB.
You don't take a chance on fourth down unless the receiver is clearly able to get the first down. Eli could see Vereen was close, but not past the marker, and that a defender was nearby. You go elsewhere. And he just did it again to Beckham.
This assumes that there is A) time to go elsewhere, and B) an open receiver elsewhere. Can you definitely make those claims at this point?
Don't even waste your time on this fucking idiot BM. He is intent on feeding a silly agenda