You're right - he's blameless. He did enough to win.
The INT, holding the ball far too damn long - all because of the OL. Or the coach.
Save for a handful of seasons, we've been making these excuses for Eli for a long damn time, even while TC was here.
Reading comprehension, I didn't say he is blameless, however, how do you expect a qb to perform in this mess?
I expect him to throw the ball away when 3 seconds have gone by, he knows his line is shit and everyone is covered.
In fact - you'd expect everyone but a rookie QB to know that by this point. This is a mistake Eli has been making for *years* now.
I'd also like him to have some touch on his short passes. and to not overthrow his receivers high as often as he does.
That doesn't mean this entire shitshow is on him - but he's the highest paid player on O, he's the veteran - and you have to expect more from him. That OL needs all the help it can get - it isn't getting it from McAdoo, and it isn't getting it from Eli.
But if you're putting tonight on Eli you don't know what you're watching.
None of it belongs fully on anyone. At this point it mostly belongs on the coach. But Eli giving the ball right back after the turnover in the 2nd quarter was a huge play in this game. Very deflating. He also held the ball too long in a number of spots and didn't really show any balls under pressure.
He got absolutely hung out to dry by his teammates in the 2nd half. He made some great throws and actually stood up under duress, took the hits and found a way to get rid of the ball.
You're an absolute clown. We all know you have Coughlins Dick firmly implanted into your mouth, but it's getting ridiculous at this point. The plays were there to be made. They didn't fucking make them. Drops, bad passes, a punt return for a TD, running routes short of the line for a first. Yeah, all on "Ray Handley". You're truly embarrassing yourself in your Coughlin crusade and quite frankly, nobody is in the mood for it so fuck off.
Didn't TC miss the postseason his last 4 years as a HC?!
McAdoo is an offensive coach.
The last time the Giants went 8 games in a row without scoring 20 points was 1978.
Yeah, that doesn't change the fact that TC missed the postseason his last 4 years as a HC. The old man lost it.
Were some of the worst coached teams I've seen in my life. So spare me me your Coughlin revisionist bullshit. We all lovecwhat TC did for the Giants, but it's time to let go. For fucks sake.
Coughlin is gone.
McAdoo is the head coach. And the offensive playcaller.
He's an offensive coach.
The last time the Giants went 8 games in a row without scoring 20 points in a game was 1978.
RE: You could put Joe Montana behind this line and it would be a mess
And fuck Beckham. We're down two TDs and he's talking shit after catching an 8 yard pass. If they pay that clown they're fucking nuts.
I thought you were nuts re: Beckham initially but I'm starting to come around to that line of thinking. If we're going to short change the back end of Eli' s career until he's run out out of town, what's the point of allocating massive resources to a receiver when we're going to be trying to audition a new QB behind a line that is in shambles. Could be a drought for a while.
RE: I love the way he coached Eli to throw behind Engram and
You're right - he's blameless. He did enough to win.
The INT, holding the ball far too damn long - all because of the OL. Or the coach.
Save for a handful of seasons, we've been making these excuses for Eli for a long damn time, even while TC was here.
The INT was a catchable ball. Here are the facts:
1. This OL is historically bad
2. Marshall has been a bum through two games. Minimal effort, doesn't fight for the ball (endzone throw), questionable awareness (sideline throw: feet), game killing drop.
3. No YAC from the receivers.
You're simply in denial. Even every ESPN talking head is saying how bad the OL is, yet Eli didn't do enough.
Were some of the worst coached teams I've seen in my life. So spare me me your Coughlin revisionist bullshit. We all lovecwhat TC did for the Giants, but it's time to let go. For fucks sake.
Not to mention how he handed Beckham was a joke. Embarrassing.
Eli is part of the problem.He is playing with no fire what so ever. He is moving his feet all over the place. He is locked onto one target and is taking to long to make the reads.
1. The OL was a huge problem that we did not address this off season. Anyone who wanted to truly be objective could see that this OL was going to be a train wreck.
2. The offense was this bad last year except for a few individual efforts by OBJ which covered up the stink.
3. I never liked McAdoo as the choice for head coach. People said the Giants will hire him to keep some consistency or continuity for Eli. Well, that does not seem to be working out for Eli right now.
Eli is part of the problem.He is playing with no fire what so ever. He is moving his feet all over the place. He is locked onto one target and is taking to long to make the reads.
No fire???
Did you just see the beating he took tonight? Holy fuck what is wrong with some of you
I expect what is reasonable considering the situation
How do you think manning plays with adequate protection on a somewhat consistent basis? I understand pass protection falters, but this is ridiculous
There were plenty of plays early on with decent protection - and he didn't produce. Worse, even was the fact that he turned the ball over on one of them.
That protection can be made to look worse by the QB - and unfortunately, it doesn't look like he's doing them any favors either.
The fact that he was never the most mobile guy and he's up in age now isn't helping matters either. Look at how much pressure Stafford faced - but his speed left him able to outrun it for much of the night (he took some nasty hits too).
Eli is part of the problem.He is playing with no fire what so ever. He is moving his feet all over the place. He is locked onto one target and is taking to long to make the reads.
Because Eli has always been so fiery even when things are going well!
He held the ball longer tonight on a couple plays trying to not do what everyone has been killing him for lately (checking down because of happy feet/broken internal clock) and it backfired because no one was open/the OL is what the flaming trash that it is
I'm hardly an Eli apologist, but the only thing to really rip him for was the INT -- that hurt, badly, and there was no excuse for it.
half of them are because he doesn't move or he holds on for ever. His feet are jumping up and down. He needs to get pissed off and tell them to wake the hell up.
This is year 3 of Mcadoo leading the offense and it's gotten progressively worse since he's been there.
You have a shitty offensive line? Boo hoo. So does half the league. Clearly he agreed with management that upgrades weren't warranted, or he would've banged on the table during draft time and/off season.
And while we were spared Eli's late game brain fart this week, he isn't blameless either. How many times have we seen him run the play clock down in crucial situations and then take a delay of game over the years? Huffnagel, Gilbride, McAdoo. Three offensive coordinators and one constant. Eli. 4th and goal delay of game while the game is still in reach.
Sorry, inexcusable.
And what the fuck was that throw into the middle of the field to Shepherd while he's rolling left and falling untouched. Throws a fucking wobbly duck nearly from his knees.
A QB of caliber who makes this much money shouldn't be making these types of rookie mistakes at this point in his career.
I expect what is reasonable considering the situation
How do you think manning plays with adequate protection on a somewhat consistent basis? I understand pass protection falters, but this is ridiculous
There were plenty of plays early on with decent protection - and he didn't produce. Worse, even was the fact that he turned the ball over on one of them.
That protection can be made to look worse by the QB - and unfortunately, it doesn't look like he's doing them any favors either.
The fact that he was never the most mobile guy and he's up in age now isn't helping matters either. Look at how much pressure Stafford faced - but his speed left him able to outrun it for much of the night (he took some nasty hits too).
Manning made mistakes, his one was a bad play. Manning has made a lot of those over his career, yes he is older and not mobile which explains a lot with the protection.
I know Eli does some head scratching things, it's who he is as a qb, but he is getting close to zero help. I just don't see how he is a clog in the offense the way it is. To me it all starts up front, yes there are times he has good protection, that doesn't mean everything else is working the way it should. To me, he's about the last guy to get grilled for this
This is year 3 of Mcadoo leading the offense and it's gotten progressively worse since he's been there.
You have a shitty offensive line? Boo hoo. So does half the league. Clearly he agreed with management that upgrades weren't warranted, or he would've banged on the table during draft time and/off season.
And while we were spared Eli's late game brain fart this week, he isn't blameless either. How many times have we seen him run the play clock down in crucial situations and then take a delay of game over the years? Huffnagel, Gilbride, McAdoo. Three offensive coordinators and one constant. Eli. 4th and goal delay of game while the game is still in reach.
Sorry, inexcusable.
And what the fuck was that throw into the middle of the field to Shepherd while he's rolling left and falling untouched. Throws a fucking wobbly duck nearly from his knees.
A QB of caliber who makes this much money shouldn't be making these types of rookie mistakes at this point in his career.
If you saw the replay he was tripped up on the roll out
I will ask it again: Who on Offense helped Eli out?
He plodded on for amother several yards then launched a terrible throw while his ankles are rolled over.
Young QBs often throw off their back foot and it's something that they have to consistently work on. He still does it. Front foot. Back foot. Rolled ankles. On tippie toes. Constantly. It all comes down to poor decision making from a guy who's paid like the best player on our offense. He isnt.
RE: I will ask it again: Who on Offense helped Eli out?
The only one I saw who made something happen was EE.
I agree with you. Nobody helped Eli. This offense other than OBJ is not good. Eli also did not help himself. McAdoo is saying right now that Eli needs to play better too.
He plodded on for amother several yards then launched a terrible throw while his ankles are rolled over.
Young QBs often throw off their back foot and it's something that they have to consistently work on. He still does it. Front foot. Back foot. Rolled ankles. On tippie toes. Constantly. It all comes down to poor decision making from a guy who's paid like the best player on our offense. He isnt.
He had one really bad pass, but let's ignore the dropped passes he failed to throw and catch, the lack of a running game, and the 2.2 secs he has.
The offense as a whole didn't play well. Not the receivers. Not the OL. Not the QB.
But it's okay to criticize those other guys because they're not Eli. Think back to those other season when Mario would killed for "running the wrong route" and Eli throwing the ball to no one. How about all those picks he's thrown over the years - where the ball wasn't thrown particularly accurately or placed where the WR could grab YAC and it wound up getting tipped for an INT. Those guys got killed while Eli got a pass.
How much help did the opposing QB get today? He had pressure on him all day. He still found a way to get it done, escape the rush and hit receivers in stride. That guy carried his team tonight while our guys still gets excused for shitty play as if he's a first year.
Think about this, you are asking him to win games without any running game, an OBJ at 85%, some key dropped passes, and an O-line that is the worse in the NFL. IMO it's a miracle he even kept us in that game into the 4th qtr
And you honestly can't sit here and say Stafford did not have help
You could put Joe Montana behind this line and it would be a mess
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And fuck Beckham. We're down two TDs and he's talking shit after catching an 8 yard pass. If they pay that clown they're fucking nuts.
Yeah let Philly sign OBJ that should be fun to watch and
as for TC I would take him 10 out of 10 times over Mr. Heavy handed and is garbage offense .
He really reached into his bag or tricks with the end around
and the two minute offense with 3 TO's LOL who could possibly be confident with this so called game plan it's
laughable . the crossing patterns into what looked like the
LIE on memorial day just begging for a turn over and who
ends up getting behind the defense none other than Jerell Adams who has the size and seemingly the hands to be a very good two way TE with Ellison who can catch and block and
LaCosse who has some route running skills and nice hands himself . If I were the coach I would have grabbed Engram by the face mask for getting the dumb penalty and his MJ routine by grabbing his crotch .
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You're right - he's blameless. He did enough to win.
The INT, holding the ball far too damn long - all because of the OL. Or the coach.
Save for a handful of seasons, we've been making these excuses for Eli for a long damn time, even while TC was here.
Reading comprehension, I didn't say he is blameless, however, how do you expect a qb to perform in this mess?
I expect him to throw the ball away when 3 seconds have gone by, he knows his line is shit and everyone is covered.
In fact - you'd expect everyone but a rookie QB to know that by this point. This is a mistake Eli has been making for *years* now.
I'd also like him to have some touch on his short passes. and to not overthrow his receivers high as often as he does.
That doesn't mean this entire shitshow is on him - but he's the highest paid player on O, he's the veteran - and you have to expect more from him. That OL needs all the help it can get - it isn't getting it from McAdoo, and it isn't getting it from Eli.
None of it belongs fully on anyone. At this point it mostly belongs on the coach. But Eli giving the ball right back after the turnover in the 2nd quarter was a huge play in this game. Very deflating. He also held the ball too long in a number of spots and didn't really show any balls under pressure.
He got absolutely hung out to dry by his teammates in the 2nd half. He made some great throws and actually stood up under duress, took the hits and found a way to get rid of the ball.
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You're an absolute clown. We all know you have Coughlins Dick firmly implanted into your mouth, but it's getting ridiculous at this point. The plays were there to be made. They didn't fucking make them. Drops, bad passes, a punt return for a TD, running routes short of the line for a first. Yeah, all on "Ray Handley". You're truly embarrassing yourself in your Coughlin crusade and quite frankly, nobody is in the mood for it so fuck off.
Didn't TC miss the postseason his last 4 years as a HC?!
McAdoo is an offensive coach.
The last time the Giants went 8 games in a row without scoring 20 points was 1978.
Yeah, that doesn't change the fact that TC missed the postseason his last 4 years as a HC. The old man lost it.
Coughlin is gone.
McAdoo is the head coach. And the offensive playcaller.
He's an offensive coach.
The last time the Giants went 8 games in a row without scoring 20 points in a game was 1978.
I thought you were nuts re: Beckham initially but I'm starting to come around to that line of thinking. If we're going to short change the back end of Eli' s career until he's run out out of town, what's the point of allocating massive resources to a receiver when we're going to be trying to audition a new QB behind a line that is in shambles. Could be a drought for a while.
Oh wait...
Yeah Eli was the problem tonight...LOL
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No - but he's not supposed to hold the ball for 7 seconds and expect protection, or misfire when he has time and open receivers either.
Did you guys watch the same fucking game?
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Not if you saw that first half, and really, most of the game.
You're definitely a simpleton when it comes to football
Nah. Just don't have Eli's cock in my mouth 24/7.
Simpleton
Looks like I hit a nerve. Too easy.
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You're right - he's blameless. He did enough to win.
The INT, holding the ball far too damn long - all because of the OL. Or the coach.
Save for a handful of seasons, we've been making these excuses for Eli for a long damn time, even while TC was here.
The INT was a catchable ball. Here are the facts:
1. This OL is historically bad
2. Marshall has been a bum through two games. Minimal effort, doesn't fight for the ball (endzone throw), questionable awareness (sideline throw: feet), game killing drop.
3. No YAC from the receivers.
You're simply in denial. Even every ESPN talking head is saying how bad the OL is, yet Eli didn't do enough.
Not to mention how he handed Beckham was a joke. Embarrassing.
How do you think manning plays with adequate protection on a somewhat consistent basis? I understand pass protection falters, but this is ridiculous
I heard he's also supposed to run the routes pass the 1st down marker before throwing the ball with the 2.2 secs he has to throw it
McAdoo is the headcoach and the offensive playcaller.
He's an offensive coach.
The last time they went 8 games without scoring 20 points was 1978.
That's historically bad.
Has nothing to do with Coughlin.
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Not if you saw that first half, and really, most of the game.
You're definitely a simpleton when it comes to football
Nah. Just don't have Eli's cock in my mouth 24/7.
Simpleton
Looks like I hit a nerve. Too easy.
Lol, yeah I don't think so, thanks for playing
The GM can't build a decent OLine in 6 tries. The QB is old and shell-shocked and pretty close to done.
2. The offense was this bad last year except for a few individual efforts by OBJ which covered up the stink.
3. I never liked McAdoo as the choice for head coach. People said the Giants will hire him to keep some consistency or continuity for Eli. Well, that does not seem to be working out for Eli right now.
McAdoo is the headcoach and the offensive playcaller.
He's an offensive coach.
The last time they went 8 games without scoring 20 points was 1978.
That's historically bad.
Has nothing to do with Coughlin.
That's on the Reese . The guy buying the groceries.
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Not if you saw that first half, and really, most of the game.
You're definitely a simpleton when it comes to football
Nah. Just don't have Eli's cock in my mouth 24/7.
Simpleton
Looks like I hit a nerve. Too easy.
Lol, yeah I don't think so, thanks for playing
Sure did. Way too easy.
Did you just see the beating he took tonight? Holy fuck what is wrong with some of you
How do you think manning plays with adequate protection on a somewhat consistent basis? I understand pass protection falters, but this is ridiculous
There were plenty of plays early on with decent protection - and he didn't produce. Worse, even was the fact that he turned the ball over on one of them.
That protection can be made to look worse by the QB - and unfortunately, it doesn't look like he's doing them any favors either.
The fact that he was never the most mobile guy and he's up in age now isn't helping matters either. Look at how much pressure Stafford faced - but his speed left him able to outrun it for much of the night (he took some nasty hits too).
Because Eli has always been so fiery even when things are going well!
He held the ball longer tonight on a couple plays trying to not do what everyone has been killing him for lately (checking down because of happy feet/broken internal clock) and it backfired because no one was open/the OL is what the flaming trash that it is
I'm hardly an Eli apologist, but the only thing to really rip him for was the INT -- that hurt, badly, and there was no excuse for it.
Also, I agree with the Ray Handley comparison. He reminds me of him, a cerebral OC who just looks lost.
If that is the only option given the time he has and the coverage how is he at fault?
You have a shitty offensive line? Boo hoo. So does half the league. Clearly he agreed with management that upgrades weren't warranted, or he would've banged on the table during draft time and/off season.
And while we were spared Eli's late game brain fart this week, he isn't blameless either. How many times have we seen him run the play clock down in crucial situations and then take a delay of game over the years? Huffnagel, Gilbride, McAdoo. Three offensive coordinators and one constant. Eli. 4th and goal delay of game while the game is still in reach.
Sorry, inexcusable.
And what the fuck was that throw into the middle of the field to Shepherd while he's rolling left and falling untouched. Throws a fucking wobbly duck nearly from his knees.
A QB of caliber who makes this much money shouldn't be making these types of rookie mistakes at this point in his career.
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How do you think manning plays with adequate protection on a somewhat consistent basis? I understand pass protection falters, but this is ridiculous
There were plenty of plays early on with decent protection - and he didn't produce. Worse, even was the fact that he turned the ball over on one of them.
That protection can be made to look worse by the QB - and unfortunately, it doesn't look like he's doing them any favors either.
The fact that he was never the most mobile guy and he's up in age now isn't helping matters either. Look at how much pressure Stafford faced - but his speed left him able to outrun it for much of the night (he took some nasty hits too).
Manning made mistakes, his one was a bad play. Manning has made a lot of those over his career, yes he is older and not mobile which explains a lot with the protection.
I know Eli does some head scratching things, it's who he is as a qb, but he is getting close to zero help. I just don't see how he is a clog in the offense the way it is. To me it all starts up front, yes there are times he has good protection, that doesn't mean everything else is working the way it should. To me, he's about the last guy to get grilled for this
You have a shitty offensive line? Boo hoo. So does half the league. Clearly he agreed with management that upgrades weren't warranted, or he would've banged on the table during draft time and/off season.
And while we were spared Eli's late game brain fart this week, he isn't blameless either. How many times have we seen him run the play clock down in crucial situations and then take a delay of game over the years? Huffnagel, Gilbride, McAdoo. Three offensive coordinators and one constant. Eli. 4th and goal delay of game while the game is still in reach.
Sorry, inexcusable.
And what the fuck was that throw into the middle of the field to Shepherd while he's rolling left and falling untouched. Throws a fucking wobbly duck nearly from his knees.
A QB of caliber who makes this much money shouldn't be making these types of rookie mistakes at this point in his career.
If you saw the replay he was tripped up on the roll out
Play Calling?
WR's?
O-Line?
The only one I saw who made something happen was EE.
Young QBs often throw off their back foot and it's something that they have to consistently work on. He still does it. Front foot. Back foot. Rolled ankles. On tippie toes. Constantly. It all comes down to poor decision making from a guy who's paid like the best player on our offense. He isnt.
Play Calling?
WR's?
O-Line?
The only one I saw who made something happen was EE.
I agree with you. Nobody helped Eli. This offense other than OBJ is not good. Eli also did not help himself. McAdoo is saying right now that Eli needs to play better too.
Young QBs often throw off their back foot and it's something that they have to consistently work on. He still does it. Front foot. Back foot. Rolled ankles. On tippie toes. Constantly. It all comes down to poor decision making from a guy who's paid like the best player on our offense. He isnt.
He had one really bad pass, but let's ignore the dropped passes he failed to throw and catch, the lack of a running game, and the 2.2 secs he has.
But it's okay to criticize those other guys because they're not Eli. Think back to those other season when Mario would killed for "running the wrong route" and Eli throwing the ball to no one. How about all those picks he's thrown over the years - where the ball wasn't thrown particularly accurately or placed where the WR could grab YAC and it wound up getting tipped for an INT. Those guys got killed while Eli got a pass.
How much help did the opposing QB get today? He had pressure on him all day. He still found a way to get it done, escape the rush and hit receivers in stride. That guy carried his team tonight while our guys still gets excused for shitty play as if he's a first year.
Finding a franchise QB ain't easy. If Webb turns out to be a JAG, we're looking at 5-10 years of bad Giants football ahead.
And receivers capable of getting YAC to extend drives.
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And fuck Beckham. We're down two TDs and he's talking shit after catching an 8 yard pass. If they pay that clown they're fucking nuts.
Yeah let Philly sign OBJ that should be fun to watch and
as for TC I would take him 10 out of 10 times over Mr. Heavy handed and is garbage offense .
He really reached into his bag or tricks with the end around
and the two minute offense with 3 TO's LOL who could possibly be confident with this so called game plan it's
laughable . the crossing patterns into what looked like the
LIE on memorial day just begging for a turn over and who
ends up getting behind the defense none other than Jerell Adams who has the size and seemingly the hands to be a very good two way TE with Ellison who can catch and block and
LaCosse who has some route running skills and nice hands himself . If I were the coach I would have grabbed Engram by the face mask for getting the dumb penalty and his MJ routine by grabbing his crotch .