Everyone and their mother except Reese has known for years that this oline needed drastic help. Can't go into the season with the same shit as last year and expect a different outcome. As someone said before. Manure is manure no matter how you spread it. I know there wasn't a lot out there but make a trade or draft someone high. TJ Lang or someone of that caliber would of been better then these scrubs. When Pugh is your best lineman. New York we have a problem
We're not going to beat the Chargers (they can score, and that team has had our number for years), and Seattle's defense will keep us to 10 points or less. Those are losses.
Here's the problem...you're not going to fix this offensive line by shuffling people around. We're looking at a 2 year rebuild on the OLine (we don't have the cap cash for a quick Free Agency rebuild, like we did on Defense). By that time, Eli...if he survives, which I doubt with this line...will be 38, and I think it's too late.
I think at this point we might want to look into seeing how much we can get for Eli, and make a trade that will bring enough draft choices to do a quick OLine rebuild. Then start Webb and see if he's the real deal. If we stink bad enough, then maybe look at one of the QB's coming out next year.
Yeah, we can keep Eli, but he's going to be a shell of the player we knew. The decent thing to do is send him to a team with an offensive line and a decent shot at the playoffs. He deserves a real chance at a third ring, something that's not going to happen here the way things are going.
Eli is absolutely worthless. Nobody's giving us shit for an ineffective 36 year old QB making $20 million per year. No one could even fit him under the salary cap.
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There's no one on the bench that's any better than the 5 who are out there now. Reese once again dropped the ball on improving this unit, just as he did with the TE position for so long, trying to convince us that Larry Donnell would be a stud when everyone knew it wouldn't happen. I give him a lot of credit for improving the D last year but the OL has needed a serious upgrade for a while now; instead Reese stuck his head in the sand, trying to convince us that guys like Jerry and Newhouse were quality players and Flowers and Hart were much improved. Yeah, right.
...but there's not a QB in the league that could possibly thrive with an OL like this. And my grandparents could run block better than this group. Pugh and Richburg are decent players, the others are trash. 2 out of 5 ain't gonna cut it. Not by a long shot.
We cut certain players because of perceived no-value Â
What happened in this game? They really didn't get more then 100 yards on the ground until final series. Few plays killed us.....the Jones TD and the punt return TD.
or part of it. He's a lying sack of shit! I've lost all respect for this guy. He's in so far over his head it's not even fair to him. How dare he blame Eli for any of this. Eli is the only thing on the offense playing smart and tough.
but fair or not, a miserable season like this will grealty consolidate the case against Eli going into the Hall of Fame. So what he is top 6 in this and top 8 in that all time when he retires? A QB who played 201 straight game should have that and he is already given much credits for that iron man streak. To marvel at his aggregated personal stats seperately is double-booking.
I have seen enough. Over the last few years Eli's skills have Â
deteriorated, he was never very mobile, now he is like statue!
And in the fact that oline is abysmal and you have a recipe for disaster. I wonder if Mara will step in and demand McAdoo stop calling plays? In any case, I think we will soon see the end of Eli and McAdoo, I really wished Eli could go out on a high note, but I guess it is not to be. As it appears now the Giants could be drafting in the top 5.
...but there's not a QB in the league that could possibly thrive with an OL like this. And my grandparents could run block better than this group. Pugh and Richburg are decent players, the others are trash. 2 out of 5 ain't gonna cut it. Not by a long shot.
This is exactly right. That's how bad this situation is for Eli. We seriously need THREE upgrades on the o-line. 2 tackles and another guard or 2 guards, one tackle and move Pugh to tackle. We knew this at the end of 2016 and most of us knew this long before that. So what does our GM do about it. Well we're still starting the same guys as 2016 so go figure!
or part of it. He's a lying sack of shit! I've lost all respect for this guy. He's in so far over his head it's not even fair to him. How dare he blame Eli for any of this. Eli is the only thing on the offense playing smart and tough.
what a shit show. A few things of note here, and it's not a good harbinger in my mind. Eli, in the first half especially, looked very much like Kurt Warner in his swan song performances before Eli took the job from him. Tentative, holding the ball too long, not finding the open man and taking sacks. We know the OL is awful, can't run block now going on several years and Eli has taken a beating back there. But the eye test doesn't lie here. And I'm an Eli fan, but we are nearing territory that the Giants need to be taking a good look at Webb in practice and with the coaches and decide if this guy is ready to compete in 2018, or else time to start looking at a QB in the first round next year.
And McAdoo is starting to show me some Jim Fassel things, which is also not good. That being, he's supposed to be an offensive minded coach, who is actually relying on his defense. Fassel did it in his first year in 1997, thanks mainly to his defense and a crap offense with a fullback (Charles Way) as his best player. By 1998, the bloom started to come off the rose. Fassel went back and forth on play call fighting with Sean Payton for a while as well. You have to wonder when that's coming with Sullivan.
I'm not ready to give up on the season, but soon enough I'll be waiting for the finger pointing to start from the defense as the frustration mounts. Either they are going to rally and save their season in Philly, or the wheels are going to come off real quick on this season. Show us some guts and toughness in Philly. I'm not holding my breath. The flaws on the offensive line have translated into the rest of the team coming apart.
Only time they played well in Philly was when they had Plax and a healthy VC because they couldn't cover either. This may get ugly down there next week. Better D then Detroit or Dallas and Wentz is playing extremely well with new receivers.
Only time they played well in Philly was when they had Plax and a healthy VC because they couldn't cover either. This may get ugly down there next week. Better D then Detroit or Dallas and Wentz is playing extremely well with new receivers.
To be fair, they almost always seem to play primetime games in Philly, which doesn't help. I'm still not ready to write off the season, but make no mistake... Philly is BETTER than the 2 teams we just played and lost to.
what a shit show. A few things of note here, and it's not a good harbinger in my mind. Eli, in the first half especially, looked very much like Kurt Warner in his swan song performances before Eli took the job from him. Tentative, holding the ball too long, not finding the open man and taking sacks. We know the OL is awful, can't run block now going on several years and Eli has taken a beating back there. But the eye test doesn't lie here. And I'm an Eli fan, but we are nearing territory that the Giants need to be taking a good look at Webb in practice and with the coaches and decide if this guy is ready to compete in 2018, or else time to start looking at a QB in the first round next year.
And McAdoo is starting to show me some Jim Fassel things, which is also not good. That being, he's supposed to be an offensive minded coach, who is actually relying on his defense. Fassel did it in his first year in 1997, thanks mainly to his defense and a crap offense with a fullback (Charles Way) as his best player. By 1998, the bloom started to come off the rose. Fassel went back and forth on play call fighting with Sean Payton for a while as well. You have to wonder when that's coming with Sullivan.
I'm not ready to give up on the season, but soon enough I'll be waiting for the finger pointing to start from the defense as the frustration mounts. Either they are going to rally and save their season in Philly, or the wheels are going to come off real quick on this season. Show us some guts and toughness in Philly. I'm not holding my breath. The flaws on the offensive line have translated into the rest of the team coming apart.
Matt, Warner also went on Arizona where he saw his career rejuvenated. The end may be nearing for Eli, but he deserves so much better than what Reese has assembled around him. It's borderline criminally negligent. If this was a one year thing, it would be excusable. But we are now four years into a rebuild of the OL and instead of getting better it's regressing. The fish rots from the head first and that begins with the GM.
what a shit show. A few things of note here, and it's not a good harbinger in my mind. Eli, in the first half especially, looked very much like Kurt Warner in his swan song performances before Eli took the job from him. Tentative, holding the ball too long, not finding the open man and taking sacks. We know the OL is awful, can't run block now going on several years and Eli has taken a beating back there. But the eye test doesn't lie here. And I'm an Eli fan, but we are nearing territory that the Giants need to be taking a good look at Webb in practice and with the coaches and decide if this guy is ready to compete in 2018, or else time to start looking at a QB in the first round next year.
And McAdoo is starting to show me some Jim Fassel things, which is also not good. That being, he's supposed to be an offensive minded coach, who is actually relying on his defense. Fassel did it in his first year in 1997, thanks mainly to his defense and a crap offense with a fullback (Charles Way) as his best player. By 1998, the bloom started to come off the rose. Fassel went back and forth on play call fighting with Sean Payton for a while as well. You have to wonder when that's coming with Sullivan.
I'm not ready to give up on the season, but soon enough I'll be waiting for the finger pointing to start from the defense as the frustration mounts. Either they are going to rally and save their season in Philly, or the wheels are going to come off real quick on this season. Show us some guts and toughness in Philly. I'm not holding my breath. The flaws on the offensive line have translated into the rest of the team coming apart.
Matt, Warner also went on Arizona where he saw his career rejuvenated. The end may be nearing for Eli, but he deserves so much better than what Reese has assembled around him. It's borderline criminally negligent. If this was a one year thing, it would be excusable. But we are now four years into a rebuild of the OL and instead of getting better it's regressing. The fish rots from the head first and that begins with the GM.
what a shit show. A few things of note here, and it's not a good harbinger in my mind. Eli, in the first half especially, looked very much like Kurt Warner in his swan song performances before Eli took the job from him. Tentative, holding the ball too long, not finding the open man and taking sacks. We know the OL is awful, can't run block now going on several years and Eli has taken a beating back there. But the eye test doesn't lie here. And I'm an Eli fan, but we are nearing territory that the Giants need to be taking a good look at Webb in practice and with the coaches and decide if this guy is ready to compete in 2018, or else time to start looking at a QB in the first round next year.
And McAdoo is starting to show me some Jim Fassel things, which is also not good. That being, he's supposed to be an offensive minded coach, who is actually relying on his defense. Fassel did it in his first year in 1997, thanks mainly to his defense and a crap offense with a fullback (Charles Way) as his best player. By 1998, the bloom started to come off the rose. Fassel went back and forth on play call fighting with Sean Payton for a while as well. You have to wonder when that's coming with Sullivan.
I'm not ready to give up on the season, but soon enough I'll be waiting for the finger pointing to start from the defense as the frustration mounts. Either they are going to rally and save their season in Philly, or the wheels are going to come off real quick on this season. Show us some guts and toughness in Philly. I'm not holding my breath. The flaws on the offensive line have translated into the rest of the team coming apart.
The Fassel bashing makes no sense to me. In 1998, his QBs were Danny Kannel and Kent Graham. There is no amount of play calling that could make those guys look successful over the long-term. Even Kerry Collins was a tier below what's needed for sustained success in this league.
I agree with the other 2 paragraphs. Much like Aaron Judge is a 3 outcome player, Eli is a 3 outcome QB... he either misses open guys because of footsteps (NFL Matchup showed this last week), the o-line completely breaks down, or the pass gets dropped/completed short of the 1st down marker.
what a shit show. A few things of note here, and it's not a good harbinger in my mind. Eli, in the first half especially, looked very much like Kurt Warner in his swan song performances before Eli took the job from him. Tentative, holding the ball too long, not finding the open man and taking sacks. We know the OL is awful, can't run block now going on several years and Eli has taken a beating back there. But the eye test doesn't lie here. And I'm an Eli fan, but we are nearing territory that the Giants need to be taking a good look at Webb in practice and with the coaches and decide if this guy is ready to compete in 2018, or else time to start looking at a QB in the first round next year.
And McAdoo is starting to show me some Jim Fassel things, which is also not good. That being, he's supposed to be an offensive minded coach, who is actually relying on his defense. Fassel did it in his first year in 1997, thanks mainly to his defense and a crap offense with a fullback (Charles Way) as his best player. By 1998, the bloom started to come off the rose. Fassel went back and forth on play call fighting with Sean Payton for a while as well. You have to wonder when that's coming with Sullivan.
I'm not ready to give up on the season, but soon enough I'll be waiting for the finger pointing to start from the defense as the frustration mounts. Either they are going to rally and save their season in Philly, or the wheels are going to come off real quick on this season. Show us some guts and toughness in Philly. I'm not holding my breath. The flaws on the offensive line have translated into the rest of the team coming apart.
Well said Matt!! What I find very interesting is the media who usually shit on Eli are coming to his defense! They're shitting on Reese and Macdoo! Reese for the state of the offensive woes from the starting unit to the backups and Macdoo for his play selections and for not taking any of the blame.
"I think our offense is broken,” Mara said. “We need to improve on the offensive side. To me, that is the No. 1 personnel priority going into the off season is we need improve the offensive line."
The current GM heard this from the owner in 2013. It's now 2017, and the line is worst than it was in 2013, despite all his efforts. What confidence can we have this current FO has the ability to fix this in a year or two?
and I never felt this offense was a good fit for Eli and the
offensive line is criminal to waste the last 4-5 years
of the best QB this franchise has ever had hell he couldn;t
run as a rookie and never was a good short pass play QB
give him a solid run game and adequate pass protection we would't have needed a shiny new toy at TE , Eli threw the deep pass to Marshal and to Adams both on the Money the play
action on the only TD worked because of the Lions all out
blitz Eli at his best . When you have 3-4 receivers being
covered by 7 guys and they still can't provide 3 lousy seconds of pass protection .!
We seem to have two situations, either the OL breaks down immediately, or when they give Eli time, the routes/schemes just aren't getting it done - hence the 20 point plateau reaching eight games now.
The pick by Eli hurt, but hardly a game changer. It's the second quarter for goodness sake.
Marshall signing has bust written all over it. Dropped pass...but did you see his effort on the crossing route, going with one hand? Make an effort. I also saw Marshall one on one deep in the red zone....why aren't we using his big body and letting him go get a ball?
First and goal at the one. AGAIN, no jumbo formation where you can either run or pass with TEs matched on LBs. It's shotgun formation...I don't get it. Why carry TEs and a FB?
Not calling TO's at the end of the first half, or even at the end of the game with three minutes and change after our last drive turning it over on downs.....then he calls TO after the Detroit runner rips off a big gain to essentially ice the game.
Outside of the phantom panic sack when he definitely just gave up without being touched, he went balls out the rest of the game. He stood in there and got destroyed and made some crazy plays after that. He showed he was willing to go for it and People are still pissed. It's perplexing to me that TC and Gilbride were shit on for so many years, yet benny with the stupid fucking hair is getting some sort of pass for a 11-5 season. TC went 11-5 in 2005 and his job was questioned from week one in 2006 and 2007. This shit is on Ben and Reese. Reese has not necessarily neglected the line because we have two ones and a two in that group, he's just made Terrible picks. Therefore he needs to be held accountable.
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Outside of the phantom panic sack when he definitely just gave up without being touched, he went balls out the rest of the game. He stood in there and got destroyed and made some crazy plays after that. He showed he was willing to go for it and People are still pissed. It's perplexing to me that TC and Gilbride were shit on for so many years, yet benny with the stupid fucking hair is getting some sort of pass for a 11-5 season. TC went 11-5 in 2005 and his job was questioned from week one in 2006 and 2007. This shit is on Ben and Reese. Reese has not necessarily neglected the line because we have two ones and a two in that group, he's just made Terrible picks. Therefore he needs to be held accountable.
4th Down Delay of game was on Eli.
The INT was on Eli.
All critical plays. Yes, it was a team effort, but man, at some point you have to look at Eli's play!
McAdoo can't manage a game and play call. In hindsight, Coughlin should have stayed and Reese should have been fired 3 years ago. Reese is the reason our o line stinks. Brandon Marshall is a bust, another Reese mistake. Marshall is slow and lazy, zero effort. If ir wasn't for our D we would have lost the first 2 games by way more points! Can't wait for the NHL to start.......
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Outside of the phantom panic sack when he definitely just gave up without being touched, he went balls out the rest of the game. He stood in there and got destroyed and made some crazy plays after that. He showed he was willing to go for it and People are still pissed. It's perplexing to me that TC and Gilbride were shit on for so many years, yet benny with the stupid fucking hair is getting some sort of pass for a 11-5 season. TC went 11-5 in 2005 and his job was questioned from week one in 2006 and 2007. This shit is on Ben and Reese. Reese has not necessarily neglected the line because we have two ones and a two in that group, he's just made Terrible picks. Therefore he needs to be held accountable.
4th Down Delay of game was on Eli.
The INT was on Eli.
All critical plays. Yes, it was a team effort, but man, at some point you have to look at Eli's play!
The int was on Engram who didn't recognize zone and kept running. If he sat where he was supposed to, the ball would have hit him between the numbers. Not killing the kid; He's a rookie; it happens.
John Mara: Giants’ Season ‘As Disappointing As Any In My Memory’
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"I think our offense is broken,” Mara said. “We need to improve on the offensive side. To me, that is the No. 1 personnel priority going into the off season is we need improve the offensive line."
The current GM heard this from the owner in 2013. It's now 2017, and the line is worst than it was in 2013, despite all his efforts. What confidence can we have this current FO has the ability to fix this in a year or two?
Open the wallet Jawn because you've got another 200 million spend coming.
We're not going to beat the Chargers (they can score, and that team has had our number for years), and Seattle's defense will keep us to 10 points or less. Those are losses.
Here's the problem...you're not going to fix this offensive line by shuffling people around. We're looking at a 2 year rebuild on the OLine (we don't have the cap cash for a quick Free Agency rebuild, like we did on Defense). By that time, Eli...if he survives, which I doubt with this line...will be 38, and I think it's too late.
I think at this point we might want to look into seeing how much we can get for Eli, and make a trade that will bring enough draft choices to do a quick OLine rebuild. Then start Webb and see if he's the real deal. If we stink bad enough, then maybe look at one of the QB's coming out next year.
Yeah, we can keep Eli, but he's going to be a shell of the player we knew. The decent thing to do is send him to a team with an offensive line and a decent shot at the playoffs. He deserves a real chance at a third ring, something that's not going to happen here the way things are going.
Eli has a no trade clause. I'd waive it if I were him and say fuck the organization and "fans" at this point.
Plenty of teams would be interested. Without knowing their financial situation:
JAX
HOU
MIA
MIN
CLE
CIN
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The int was on Engram who didn't recognize zone and kept running. If he sat where he was supposed to, the ball would have hit him between the numbers. Not killing the kid; He's a rookie; it happens.
Why do people keep saying this? Eli AND the head coach both said it was a bad throw.
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We're not going to beat the Chargers (they can score, and that team has had our number for years), and Seattle's defense will keep us to 10 points or less. Those are losses.
Here's the problem...you're not going to fix this offensive line by shuffling people around. We're looking at a 2 year rebuild on the OLine (we don't have the cap cash for a quick Free Agency rebuild, like we did on Defense). By that time, Eli...if he survives, which I doubt with this line...will be 38, and I think it's too late.
I think at this point we might want to look into seeing how much we can get for Eli, and make a trade that will bring enough draft choices to do a quick OLine rebuild. Then start Webb and see if he's the real deal. If we stink bad enough, then maybe look at one of the QB's coming out next year.
Yeah, we can keep Eli, but he's going to be a shell of the player we knew. The decent thing to do is send him to a team with an offensive line and a decent shot at the playoffs. He deserves a real chance at a third ring, something that's not going to happen here the way things are going.
Eli has a no trade clause. I'd waive it if I were him and say fuck the organization and "fans" at this point.
Plenty of teams would be interested. Without knowing their financial situation:
JAX
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The int was on Engram who didn't recognize zone and kept running. If he sat where he was supposed to, the ball would have hit him between the numbers. Not killing the kid; He's a rookie; it happens.
Why do people keep saying this? Eli AND the head coach both said it was a bad throw.
Watch the video I posted. The kid fucked up and did not recognize the zone. The coach and vet qb are not throwing him under the bus and rightly so.
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Watch the video I posted. The kid fucked up and did not recognize the zone. The coach and vet qb are not throwing him under the bus and rightly so.
Unless you have access to the playbook or coaches' instructions, you don't really know exactly what he's supposed to do on that play. You could be right, but you don't know that for certain. In that case, I'm going to take the coach and QB at their word.
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The int was on Engram who didn't recognize zone and kept running. If he sat where he was supposed to, the ball would have hit him between the numbers. Not killing the kid; He's a rookie; it happens.
Why do people keep saying this? Eli AND the head coach both said it was a bad throw.
Eli always takes the blame and he is a rookie .. no need to kill his confidence ... handle behind closed doors. He knows he should have sat down once he looks at the film. This keeps NY media off the kid.
We're not going to beat the Chargers (they can score, and that team has had our number for years), and Seattle's defense will keep us to 10 points or less. Those are losses.
Here's the problem...you're not going to fix this offensive line by shuffling people around. We're looking at a 2 year rebuild on the OLine (we don't have the cap cash for a quick Free Agency rebuild, like we did on Defense). By that time, Eli...if he survives, which I doubt with this line...will be 38, and I think it's too late.
I think at this point we might want to look into seeing how much we can get for Eli, and make a trade that will bring enough draft choices to do a quick OLine rebuild. Then start Webb and see if he's the real deal. If we stink bad enough, then maybe look at one of the QB's coming out next year.
Yeah, we can keep Eli, but he's going to be a shell of the player we knew. The decent thing to do is send him to a team with an offensive line and a decent shot at the playoffs. He deserves a real chance at a third ring, something that's not going to happen here the way things are going.
Eli has a no trade clause. I'd waive it if I were him and say fuck the organization and "fans" at this point.
Plenty of teams would be interested. Without knowing their financial situation:
JAX
HOU
MIA
MIN
CLE
CIN
Eli has no trade value with his cap hit and how the last year has gone. (Only The Bengals and Jacksonville would probably want him of that list too, given the others' resources invested in their QBs.)
The Giants would have to cut him and, while it can be done with some cap pain this offseason, I'm not sure how it would work in season, if they can make the numbers work or not.
Don't listen to the troll. Leave it be. He's just lying.
Eli was wrong, get the play off or call a TO. Unacceptable to take a penalty in that spot.
Here's the problem...you're not going to fix this offensive line by shuffling people around. We're looking at a 2 year rebuild on the OLine (we don't have the cap cash for a quick Free Agency rebuild, like we did on Defense). By that time, Eli...if he survives, which I doubt with this line...will be 38, and I think it's too late.
I think at this point we might want to look into seeing how much we can get for Eli, and make a trade that will bring enough draft choices to do a quick OLine rebuild. Then start Webb and see if he's the real deal. If we stink bad enough, then maybe look at one of the QB's coming out next year.
Yeah, we can keep Eli, but he's going to be a shell of the player we knew. The decent thing to do is send him to a team with an offensive line and a decent shot at the playoffs. He deserves a real chance at a third ring, something that's not going to happen here the way things are going.
Eli is absolutely worthless. Nobody's giving us shit for an ineffective 36 year old QB making $20 million per year. No one could even fit him under the salary cap.
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Eli was wrong, get the play off or call a TO. Unacceptable to take a penalty in that spot.
bullshit...he ist he coach. get the fucking call in after making a faster decision....if you make a late decision call a timeout
Something is very very wrong here.. this team could QUICKLY have a terrible losing record going into the bye week.
Maybe it was just Eli's way of calling audible to a field goal.
And Macadoo knows it.
Both have good defensive lines...just saying.
And in the fact that oline is abysmal and you have a recipe for disaster. I wonder if Mara will step in and demand McAdoo stop calling plays? In any case, I think we will soon see the end of Eli and McAdoo, I really wished Eli could go out on a high note, but I guess it is not to be. As it appears now the Giants could be drafting in the top 5.
This is exactly right. That's how bad this situation is for Eli. We seriously need THREE upgrades on the o-line. 2 tackles and another guard or 2 guards, one tackle and move Pugh to tackle. We knew this at the end of 2016 and most of us knew this long before that. So what does our GM do about it. Well we're still starting the same guys as 2016 so go figure!
sorry didnt get it to you faster
And McAdoo is starting to show me some Jim Fassel things, which is also not good. That being, he's supposed to be an offensive minded coach, who is actually relying on his defense. Fassel did it in his first year in 1997, thanks mainly to his defense and a crap offense with a fullback (Charles Way) as his best player. By 1998, the bloom started to come off the rose. Fassel went back and forth on play call fighting with Sean Payton for a while as well. You have to wonder when that's coming with Sullivan.
I'm not ready to give up on the season, but soon enough I'll be waiting for the finger pointing to start from the defense as the frustration mounts. Either they are going to rally and save their season in Philly, or the wheels are going to come off real quick on this season. Show us some guts and toughness in Philly. I'm not holding my breath. The flaws on the offensive line have translated into the rest of the team coming apart.
He just said in the post game press conf that he told the players that the loss/game was on him.
Perkins had another 10 yards this week too! That's our starting RB. Holy shit!
To be fair, they almost always seem to play primetime games in Philly, which doesn't help. I'm still not ready to write off the season, but make no mistake... Philly is BETTER than the 2 teams we just played and lost to.
And McAdoo is starting to show me some Jim Fassel things, which is also not good. That being, he's supposed to be an offensive minded coach, who is actually relying on his defense. Fassel did it in his first year in 1997, thanks mainly to his defense and a crap offense with a fullback (Charles Way) as his best player. By 1998, the bloom started to come off the rose. Fassel went back and forth on play call fighting with Sean Payton for a while as well. You have to wonder when that's coming with Sullivan.
I'm not ready to give up on the season, but soon enough I'll be waiting for the finger pointing to start from the defense as the frustration mounts. Either they are going to rally and save their season in Philly, or the wheels are going to come off real quick on this season. Show us some guts and toughness in Philly. I'm not holding my breath. The flaws on the offensive line have translated into the rest of the team coming apart.
Matt, Warner also went on Arizona where he saw his career rejuvenated. The end may be nearing for Eli, but he deserves so much better than what Reese has assembled around him. It's borderline criminally negligent. If this was a one year thing, it would be excusable. But we are now four years into a rebuild of the OL and instead of getting better it's regressing. The fish rots from the head first and that begins with the GM.
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what a shit show. A few things of note here, and it's not a good harbinger in my mind. Eli, in the first half especially, looked very much like Kurt Warner in his swan song performances before Eli took the job from him. Tentative, holding the ball too long, not finding the open man and taking sacks. We know the OL is awful, can't run block now going on several years and Eli has taken a beating back there. But the eye test doesn't lie here. And I'm an Eli fan, but we are nearing territory that the Giants need to be taking a good look at Webb in practice and with the coaches and decide if this guy is ready to compete in 2018, or else time to start looking at a QB in the first round next year.
And McAdoo is starting to show me some Jim Fassel things, which is also not good. That being, he's supposed to be an offensive minded coach, who is actually relying on his defense. Fassel did it in his first year in 1997, thanks mainly to his defense and a crap offense with a fullback (Charles Way) as his best player. By 1998, the bloom started to come off the rose. Fassel went back and forth on play call fighting with Sean Payton for a while as well. You have to wonder when that's coming with Sullivan.
I'm not ready to give up on the season, but soon enough I'll be waiting for the finger pointing to start from the defense as the frustration mounts. Either they are going to rally and save their season in Philly, or the wheels are going to come off real quick on this season. Show us some guts and toughness in Philly. I'm not holding my breath. The flaws on the offensive line have translated into the rest of the team coming apart.
Matt, Warner also went on Arizona where he saw his career rejuvenated. The end may be nearing for Eli, but he deserves so much better than what Reese has assembled around him. It's borderline criminally negligent. If this was a one year thing, it would be excusable. But we are now four years into a rebuild of the OL and instead of getting better it's regressing. The fish rots from the head first and that begins with the GM.
Perfectly stated
And McAdoo is starting to show me some Jim Fassel things, which is also not good. That being, he's supposed to be an offensive minded coach, who is actually relying on his defense. Fassel did it in his first year in 1997, thanks mainly to his defense and a crap offense with a fullback (Charles Way) as his best player. By 1998, the bloom started to come off the rose. Fassel went back and forth on play call fighting with Sean Payton for a while as well. You have to wonder when that's coming with Sullivan.
I'm not ready to give up on the season, but soon enough I'll be waiting for the finger pointing to start from the defense as the frustration mounts. Either they are going to rally and save their season in Philly, or the wheels are going to come off real quick on this season. Show us some guts and toughness in Philly. I'm not holding my breath. The flaws on the offensive line have translated into the rest of the team coming apart.
The Fassel bashing makes no sense to me. In 1998, his QBs were Danny Kannel and Kent Graham. There is no amount of play calling that could make those guys look successful over the long-term. Even Kerry Collins was a tier below what's needed for sustained success in this league.
I agree with the other 2 paragraphs. Much like Aaron Judge is a 3 outcome player, Eli is a 3 outcome QB... he either misses open guys because of footsteps (NFL Matchup showed this last week), the o-line completely breaks down, or the pass gets dropped/completed short of the 1st down marker.
And McAdoo is starting to show me some Jim Fassel things, which is also not good. That being, he's supposed to be an offensive minded coach, who is actually relying on his defense. Fassel did it in his first year in 1997, thanks mainly to his defense and a crap offense with a fullback (Charles Way) as his best player. By 1998, the bloom started to come off the rose. Fassel went back and forth on play call fighting with Sean Payton for a while as well. You have to wonder when that's coming with Sullivan.
I'm not ready to give up on the season, but soon enough I'll be waiting for the finger pointing to start from the defense as the frustration mounts. Either they are going to rally and save their season in Philly, or the wheels are going to come off real quick on this season. Show us some guts and toughness in Philly. I'm not holding my breath. The flaws on the offensive line have translated into the rest of the team coming apart.
Well said Matt!! What I find very interesting is the media who usually shit on Eli are coming to his defense! They're shitting on Reese and Macdoo! Reese for the state of the offensive woes from the starting unit to the backups and Macdoo for his play selections and for not taking any of the blame.
The current GM heard this from the owner in 2013. It's now 2017, and the line is worst than it was in 2013, despite all his efforts. What confidence can we have this current FO has the ability to fix this in a year or two?
offensive line is criminal to waste the last 4-5 years
of the best QB this franchise has ever had hell he couldn;t
run as a rookie and never was a good short pass play QB
give him a solid run game and adequate pass protection we would't have needed a shiny new toy at TE , Eli threw the deep pass to Marshal and to Adams both on the Money the play
action on the only TD worked because of the Lions all out
blitz Eli at his best . When you have 3-4 receivers being
covered by 7 guys and they still can't provide 3 lousy seconds of pass protection .!
I was screaming wtf are u looking at right after the play. Terrible to be looking toward the sideline and Jumbotron there.
We seem to have two situations, either the OL breaks down immediately, or when they give Eli time, the routes/schemes just aren't getting it done - hence the 20 point plateau reaching eight games now.
The pick by Eli hurt, but hardly a game changer. It's the second quarter for goodness sake.
Marshall signing has bust written all over it. Dropped pass...but did you see his effort on the crossing route, going with one hand? Make an effort. I also saw Marshall one on one deep in the red zone....why aren't we using his big body and letting him go get a ball?
First and goal at the one. AGAIN, no jumbo formation where you can either run or pass with TEs matched on LBs. It's shotgun formation...I don't get it. Why carry TEs and a FB?
Not calling TO's at the end of the first half, or even at the end of the game with three minutes and change after our last drive turning it over on downs.....then he calls TO after the Detroit runner rips off a big gain to essentially ice the game.
4th Down Delay of game was on Eli.
The INT was on Eli.
All critical plays. Yes, it was a team effort, but man, at some point you have to look at Eli's play!
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Outside of the phantom panic sack when he definitely just gave up without being touched, he went balls out the rest of the game. He stood in there and got destroyed and made some crazy plays after that. He showed he was willing to go for it and People are still pissed. It's perplexing to me that TC and Gilbride were shit on for so many years, yet benny with the stupid fucking hair is getting some sort of pass for a 11-5 season. TC went 11-5 in 2005 and his job was questioned from week one in 2006 and 2007. This shit is on Ben and Reese. Reese has not necessarily neglected the line because we have two ones and a two in that group, he's just made Terrible picks. Therefore he needs to be held accountable.
4th Down Delay of game was on Eli.
The INT was on Eli.
All critical plays. Yes, it was a team effort, but man, at some point you have to look at Eli's play!
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"I think our offense is broken,” Mara said. “We need to improve on the offensive side. To me, that is the No. 1 personnel priority going into the off season is we need improve the offensive line."
The current GM heard this from the owner in 2013. It's now 2017, and the line is worst than it was in 2013, despite all his efforts. What confidence can we have this current FO has the ability to fix this in a year or two?
Pugh-Jones-Richburg-Fluker-Flowers?
Here's the problem...you're not going to fix this offensive line by shuffling people around. We're looking at a 2 year rebuild on the OLine (we don't have the cap cash for a quick Free Agency rebuild, like we did on Defense). By that time, Eli...if he survives, which I doubt with this line...will be 38, and I think it's too late.
I think at this point we might want to look into seeing how much we can get for Eli, and make a trade that will bring enough draft choices to do a quick OLine rebuild. Then start Webb and see if he's the real deal. If we stink bad enough, then maybe look at one of the QB's coming out next year.
Yeah, we can keep Eli, but he's going to be a shell of the player we knew. The decent thing to do is send him to a team with an offensive line and a decent shot at the playoffs. He deserves a real chance at a third ring, something that's not going to happen here the way things are going.
Eli has a no trade clause. I'd waive it if I were him and say fuck the organization and "fans" at this point.
Plenty of teams would be interested. Without knowing their financial situation:
JAX
HOU
MIA
MIN
CLE
CIN
The int was on Engram who didn't recognize zone and kept running. If he sat where he was supposed to, the ball would have hit him between the numbers. Not killing the kid; He's a rookie; it happens.
Why do people keep saying this? Eli AND the head coach both said it was a bad throw.
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We're not going to beat the Chargers (they can score, and that team has had our number for years), and Seattle's defense will keep us to 10 points or less. Those are losses.
Here's the problem...you're not going to fix this offensive line by shuffling people around. We're looking at a 2 year rebuild on the OLine (we don't have the cap cash for a quick Free Agency rebuild, like we did on Defense). By that time, Eli...if he survives, which I doubt with this line...will be 38, and I think it's too late.
I think at this point we might want to look into seeing how much we can get for Eli, and make a trade that will bring enough draft choices to do a quick OLine rebuild. Then start Webb and see if he's the real deal. If we stink bad enough, then maybe look at one of the QB's coming out next year.
Yeah, we can keep Eli, but he's going to be a shell of the player we knew. The decent thing to do is send him to a team with an offensive line and a decent shot at the playoffs. He deserves a real chance at a third ring, something that's not going to happen here the way things are going.
Eli has a no trade clause. I'd waive it if I were him and say fuck the organization and "fans" at this point.
Plenty of teams would be interested. Without knowing their financial situation:
JAX
SF
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The int was on Engram who didn't recognize zone and kept running. If he sat where he was supposed to, the ball would have hit him between the numbers. Not killing the kid; He's a rookie; it happens.
Why do people keep saying this? Eli AND the head coach both said it was a bad throw.
Watch the video I posted. The kid fucked up and did not recognize the zone. The coach and vet qb are not throwing him under the bus and rightly so.
Unless you have access to the playbook or coaches' instructions, you don't really know exactly what he's supposed to do on that play. You could be right, but you don't know that for certain. In that case, I'm going to take the coach and QB at their word.
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The int was on Engram who didn't recognize zone and kept running. If he sat where he was supposed to, the ball would have hit him between the numbers. Not killing the kid; He's a rookie; it happens.
Why do people keep saying this? Eli AND the head coach both said it was a bad throw.
Eli always takes the blame and he is a rookie .. no need to kill his confidence ... handle behind closed doors. He knows he should have sat down once he looks at the film. This keeps NY media off the kid.
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We're not going to beat the Chargers (they can score, and that team has had our number for years), and Seattle's defense will keep us to 10 points or less. Those are losses.
Here's the problem...you're not going to fix this offensive line by shuffling people around. We're looking at a 2 year rebuild on the OLine (we don't have the cap cash for a quick Free Agency rebuild, like we did on Defense). By that time, Eli...if he survives, which I doubt with this line...will be 38, and I think it's too late.
I think at this point we might want to look into seeing how much we can get for Eli, and make a trade that will bring enough draft choices to do a quick OLine rebuild. Then start Webb and see if he's the real deal. If we stink bad enough, then maybe look at one of the QB's coming out next year.
Yeah, we can keep Eli, but he's going to be a shell of the player we knew. The decent thing to do is send him to a team with an offensive line and a decent shot at the playoffs. He deserves a real chance at a third ring, something that's not going to happen here the way things are going.
Eli has a no trade clause. I'd waive it if I were him and say fuck the organization and "fans" at this point.
Plenty of teams would be interested. Without knowing their financial situation:
JAX
HOU
MIA
MIN
CLE
CIN
Eli has no trade value with his cap hit and how the last year has gone. (Only The Bengals and Jacksonville would probably want him of that list too, given the others' resources invested in their QBs.)
The Giants would have to cut him and, while it can be done with some cap pain this offseason, I'm not sure how it would work in season, if they can make the numbers work or not.