These guys have ignored the oline too long. What should the fans expect when the team does nothing to improve the weakest part of the team. The team looks as uninspired as they did during the Handley era..
We have a crappy O-line, but our QB and receivers Â
Not much to say otherwise. Marshall's toast. Flowers is a bust. McAdoo's honeymoon is over. Reese's ass should be in the line. We'll be lucky to split the next two - this is looking like a 7-9 football team and maybe worse.
whose strength was play-action downfield passing and turned him into Captain Checkdown.
That's not remotely the criticism to make tonight.
It's a criticism since McAdoo came on and the philosophy change pushed on Coughlin.
They demanded that his completion % go up, hence this scheme. The OL also sucks because they felt they didn't need to upgrade because the quick passing game would mask it - but they forgot you need to run the ball effectively as well.
before they get a "break" with the Rams/49'ers...though even winning those two is going to be a struggle. This is as scary bad as the late 70's. I watched those teams, and even they weren't as offensively inept as these guys (well, maybe the 1978 team was!)
And there's nothing they can do about the offense right now...no quick fixes for the run or passing game.
whose strength was play-action downfield passing and turned him into Captain Checkdown.
That's not remotely the criticism to make tonight.
It's a criticism since McAdoo came on and the philosophy change pushed on Coughlin.
They demanded that his completion % go up, hence this scheme. The OL also sucks because they felt they didn't need to upgrade because the quick passing game would mask it - but they forgot you need to run the ball effectively as well.
They likely did not expect % of 3rd conversions would drop in the process.
drop is that it probably prevents him from popping off. He surely regrets signing up for this sh*t-show and has hardly been targeted. Now he can't say squat.
But they need to reorganize the OL. How about Pugh, Fluker, Richberg, Jerry, Wheeler. Flowers need to sit for now if not forever. Hart is hurt. Who knows.
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whose strength was play-action downfield passing and turned him into Captain Checkdown.
That's not remotely the criticism to make tonight.
It's a criticism since McAdoo came on and the philosophy change pushed on Coughlin.
They demanded that his completion % go up, hence this scheme. The OL also sucks because they felt they didn't need to upgrade because the quick passing game would mask it - but they forgot you need to run the ball effectively as well.
We're talking about tonight and they tried to push the ball down field some. Guys didn't get open causing a couple coverage sacks and then they dropped some others.
Eli hung in there and got completely fucked up on some plays tonight because he wouldn't just check down.
But they need to reorganize the OL. How about Pugh, Fluker, Richberg, Jerry, Wheeler. Flowers need to sit for now if not forever. Hart is hurt. Who knows.
I agree. The way things are now isn't and won't work. Time to blow it up.
when we have Ereck Flowers at left tackle just isn't fair. The guy is comically bad. The reports during training camp said he was embarrassing against the taxi squad. He is a turnstile. Nothing works offensively if you 2seconds to pass. scary how bad we look.
Bad OL and an immobile QB mean that teams can control the LOS with just their front four. The Lions at one point had five sacks with no blitzes. Eli played better in the second half. The Marshall drop was killer, and he took a wicked shot on the pass to Shepard. He has no pass protection, or run game. The throws he missed were probably a function of the hits he's taken. But he is inaccurate, and slow footed. He needs a much cleaner pocket now than we can give him.
Problem is you really can't change it drastically now. You can fire McAdoo, or at least from play-calling, something I think definitely needs to happen. But you can't change the offensive philosophy completely at this point, and moreover, you've completely changed Eli and his habits in this offense.
Because of this, it's far more likely that this is going to be a lost season. And if the Giants fail to get to the playoffs, then it's time for Mara to make changes. And that means goodbye Mac, and maybe goodbye Eli.
From the scheme down to the personnel - keep OBJ, Shep and Engram - and the rest of them can basically go.
Said this on the game thread: if we can trade OBJ, a once-a-generational receiving talent, for two competent offensive linemen, our chance of winning will actually go up. Not than we can or should do so, but that's how atrocious the line is.
People keep insisting giving Reese credits for upgrading other parts of the team. Come on, how good is a mother if she teaches her kids six languages and quantum mechanics but fails to provide them proper nutritions??
People who want to focus on a drop here or a play there are missing the big picture entirely. The QB is in decline, the OL sucks, our backs are a bunch of nobodies, our best skill player is not himself due to injury, and the head coach looks in over his head trying to run this offense while being the head coach. This isn't the same offense we had with him as a coordinator with Coughlin. And on a different note entirely, Mac is as bad as it gets with clock management. Like all time putrid level horrible. He has no idea what he's doing with the clock. That's down the list on importance of head coach attributes but it's still big and troubling that he can be so clueless. The way he handled the end of the half was a joke. Maybe not as bad as Minnesota game last year but still terrible
before they get a "break" with the Rams/49'ers...though even winning those two is going to be a struggle. This is as scary bad as the late 70's. I watched those teams, and even they weren't as offensively inept as these guys (well, maybe the 1978 team was!)
And there's nothing they can do about the offense right now...no quick fixes for the run or passing game.
They might be able to,beat San Diego and Seattle at home and be 2-5 at the bye.
come back with the same guys on the OL but based on the camp reports and pre-season games they didn't even experiment with moving guys around. So re-arranging the line now is dicey. Should have tried Pugh at LT and Flowers at RT or G just to see what happens and expose the guys to different positions. No imagination at all from this coaching staff or front office. They are in a very bad spot. Eli is not going to suddenly start moving around back there. Sure seems like we're screwed. But hey, Evan Engram is match-up nightmare so there's that.
when we have Ereck Flowers at left tackle just isn't fair. The guy is comically bad. The reports during training camp said he was embarrassing against the taxi squad. He is a turnstile. Nothing works offensively if you 2seconds to pass. scary how bad we look.
Its the coaches team, his offensive system, he is calling the plays, he is designing the plays, and he can make changes to personel, can call a timeout to leave his team a shot before halftime instead of losing 45 seconds.
The very definition of madness is doing the same thing over and over, and expecting different results... what's the definition of McAdoo Madness? plugging in Flowers at LT over and over?
Not much to say otherwise. Marshall's toast. Flowers is a bust. McAdoo's honeymoon is over. Reese's ass should be in the line. We'll be lucky to split the next two - this is looking like a 7-9 football team and maybe worse.
7 and nine means we'd win half the rest of our games. I don't see it.
when we have Ereck Flowers at left tackle just isn't fair. The guy is comically bad. The reports during training camp said he was embarrassing against the taxi squad. He is a turnstile. Nothing works offensively if you 2seconds to pass. scary how bad we look.
Because this coach said Flowers was good enough to improve the o-line when clearly he is not. How could BM have not convinced the GM as to the urgency of the three positions on the oline that badly need upgrades! That's on BM as well as on the GM.
problem is 80% OL, 20% Eli. Eli was never mobile, but he had pocket presence, which seems to be evaporating. His accuracy is also lacking at times. But the OL is just atrocious. More mobility by him would compensate, but he is harassed almost immediately. Flowers is awful, and he often can't step up in a pocket that is constantly being pushed backwards. We also can't run at all.
The Giants won't bench Flowers, so why not at least give him some help? We have no deep play ability without more pass protection. Play action won't work without a run game.
We suck when we honor something.
Nobody ever misses a field goal against us.
We miss tackles.
We drop passes.
We can't block.
We can't run.
We can't even get the ball off in time on 4th and goal.
and lost big. It's going to be a long season. There's not a realistic fix to this. Just wait until the blame game starts. Then it's going to get really interesting.
We suck when we honor something.
Nobody ever misses a field goal against us.
We miss tackles.
We drop passes.
We can't block.
We can't run.
We can't even get the ball off in time on 4th and goal.
And we're stuck with a horrible GM and a useless HC!
Complete complementary football? What does that mean? Â
We're not going to beat the Chargers (they can score, and that team has had our number for years), and Seattle's defense will keep us to 10 points or less. Those are losses.
Here's the problem...you're not going to fix this offensive line by shuffling people around. We're looking at a 2 year rebuild on the OLine (we don't have the cap cash for a quick Free Agency rebuild, like we did on Defense). By that time, Eli...if he survives, which I doubt with this line...will be 38, and I think it's too late.
I think at this point we might want to look into seeing how much we can get for Eli, and make a trade that will bring enough draft choices to do a quick OLine rebuild. Then start Webb and see if he's the real deal. If we stink bad enough, then maybe look at one of the QB's coming out next year.
Yeah, we can keep Eli, but he's going to be a shell of the player we knew. The decent thing to do is send him to a team with an offensive line and a decent shot at the playoffs. He deserves a real chance at a third ring, something that's not going to happen here the way things are going.
This is on Reece and Mac they blew it with the O-line we watched them fail for 17 weeks and now they regressed .
They had a chance in the draft to trade down in the 1st round
Engram will be a nice player but that was a luxury pick IMO
Could have moved down to Cam Robinson and Dion Dawkins and
instead of taking Webb they could have moved up and took
Kareem Hunt who went one pick before our pick or stayed put
and selected Donta Foreman . None of our backs are power backs Vereen is a specialist Darkwa is a back up and Perkins a change of pace . We would have been fine with Ellison LaCosse and Adams .
Yeah Eli through a stride behind Engram bad throw but this offense has not been in sync for 19 games now .
Brandon Marshall had a huge drop but he has had very little game time in this offense and clearly is not totally in tune with Eli . This dink and dunk offense is maddening but this team is so easy to defend because the opposing defense can get home with in 3 seconds hardly enough time to throw
deep patterns there were two first have plays Odell was wide open cutting across the middle and Marshal had a step past two defenders both plays were good for 30 yards each
but mean while Eli was getting crushed because of the revolving door we have at LT .
Even when we manage a hole in the run game none of our RB's are dynamic enough to make extra yards or break tackles .
Now for the bad news the injuries are piling up .
And Philthy is on the horizon licking there chops they have an even better front 7 and they upgraded there skill positions .
Two top ten picks are not playing as such . I hear DRC went down hope he is ok because it's gonna get uglier !
Everyone and their mother except Reese has known for years that this oline needed drastic help. Can't go into the season with the same shit as last year and expect a different outcome. As someone said before. Manure is manure no matter how you spread it. I know there wasn't a lot out there but make a trade or draft someone high. TJ Lang or someone of that caliber would of been better then these scrubs. When Pugh is your best lineman. New York we have a problem
We're not going to beat the Chargers (they can score, and that team has had our number for years), and Seattle's defense will keep us to 10 points or less. Those are losses.
Here's the problem...you're not going to fix this offensive line by shuffling people around. We're looking at a 2 year rebuild on the OLine (we don't have the cap cash for a quick Free Agency rebuild, like we did on Defense). By that time, Eli...if he survives, which I doubt with this line...will be 38, and I think it's too late.
I think at this point we might want to look into seeing how much we can get for Eli, and make a trade that will bring enough draft choices to do a quick OLine rebuild. Then start Webb and see if he's the real deal. If we stink bad enough, then maybe look at one of the QB's coming out next year.
Yeah, we can keep Eli, but he's going to be a shell of the player we knew. The decent thing to do is send him to a team with an offensive line and a decent shot at the playoffs. He deserves a real chance at a third ring, something that's not going to happen here the way things are going.
Eli is absolutely worthless. Nobody's giving us shit for an ineffective 36 year old QB making $20 million per year. No one could even fit him under the salary cap.
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There's no one on the bench that's any better than the 5 who are out there now. Reese once again dropped the ball on improving this unit, just as he did with the TE position for so long, trying to convince us that Larry Donnell would be a stud when everyone knew it wouldn't happen. I give him a lot of credit for improving the D last year but the OL has needed a serious upgrade for a while now; instead Reese stuck his head in the sand, trying to convince us that guys like Jerry and Newhouse were quality players and Flowers and Hart were much improved. Yeah, right.
...but there's not a QB in the league that could possibly thrive with an OL like this. And my grandparents could run block better than this group. Pugh and Richburg are decent players, the others are trash. 2 out of 5 ain't gonna cut it. Not by a long shot.
We cut certain players because of perceived no-value Â
What happened in this game? They really didn't get more then 100 yards on the ground until final series. Few plays killed us.....the Jones TD and the punt return TD.
or part of it. He's a lying sack of shit! I've lost all respect for this guy. He's in so far over his head it's not even fair to him. How dare he blame Eli for any of this. Eli is the only thing on the offense playing smart and tough.
but fair or not, a miserable season like this will grealty consolidate the case against Eli going into the Hall of Fame. So what he is top 6 in this and top 8 in that all time when he retires? A QB who played 201 straight game should have that and he is already given much credits for that iron man streak. To marvel at his aggregated personal stats seperately is double-booking.
I have seen enough. Over the last few years Eli's skills have Â
deteriorated, he was never very mobile, now he is like statue!
And in the fact that oline is abysmal and you have a recipe for disaster. I wonder if Mara will step in and demand McAdoo stop calling plays? In any case, I think we will soon see the end of Eli and McAdoo, I really wished Eli could go out on a high note, but I guess it is not to be. As it appears now the Giants could be drafting in the top 5.
...but there's not a QB in the league that could possibly thrive with an OL like this. And my grandparents could run block better than this group. Pugh and Richburg are decent players, the others are trash. 2 out of 5 ain't gonna cut it. Not by a long shot.
This is exactly right. That's how bad this situation is for Eli. We seriously need THREE upgrades on the o-line. 2 tackles and another guard or 2 guards, one tackle and move Pugh to tackle. We knew this at the end of 2016 and most of us knew this long before that. So what does our GM do about it. Well we're still starting the same guys as 2016 so go figure!
or part of it. He's a lying sack of shit! I've lost all respect for this guy. He's in so far over his head it's not even fair to him. How dare he blame Eli for any of this. Eli is the only thing on the offense playing smart and tough.
what a shit show. A few things of note here, and it's not a good harbinger in my mind. Eli, in the first half especially, looked very much like Kurt Warner in his swan song performances before Eli took the job from him. Tentative, holding the ball too long, not finding the open man and taking sacks. We know the OL is awful, can't run block now going on several years and Eli has taken a beating back there. But the eye test doesn't lie here. And I'm an Eli fan, but we are nearing territory that the Giants need to be taking a good look at Webb in practice and with the coaches and decide if this guy is ready to compete in 2018, or else time to start looking at a QB in the first round next year.
And McAdoo is starting to show me some Jim Fassel things, which is also not good. That being, he's supposed to be an offensive minded coach, who is actually relying on his defense. Fassel did it in his first year in 1997, thanks mainly to his defense and a crap offense with a fullback (Charles Way) as his best player. By 1998, the bloom started to come off the rose. Fassel went back and forth on play call fighting with Sean Payton for a while as well. You have to wonder when that's coming with Sullivan.
I'm not ready to give up on the season, but soon enough I'll be waiting for the finger pointing to start from the defense as the frustration mounts. Either they are going to rally and save their season in Philly, or the wheels are going to come off real quick on this season. Show us some guts and toughness in Philly. I'm not holding my breath. The flaws on the offensive line have translated into the rest of the team coming apart.
Only time they played well in Philly was when they had Plax and a healthy VC because they couldn't cover either. This may get ugly down there next week. Better D then Detroit or Dallas and Wentz is playing extremely well with new receivers.
Only time they played well in Philly was when they had Plax and a healthy VC because they couldn't cover either. This may get ugly down there next week. Better D then Detroit or Dallas and Wentz is playing extremely well with new receivers.
To be fair, they almost always seem to play primetime games in Philly, which doesn't help. I'm still not ready to write off the season, but make no mistake... Philly is BETTER than the 2 teams we just played and lost to.
what a shit show. A few things of note here, and it's not a good harbinger in my mind. Eli, in the first half especially, looked very much like Kurt Warner in his swan song performances before Eli took the job from him. Tentative, holding the ball too long, not finding the open man and taking sacks. We know the OL is awful, can't run block now going on several years and Eli has taken a beating back there. But the eye test doesn't lie here. And I'm an Eli fan, but we are nearing territory that the Giants need to be taking a good look at Webb in practice and with the coaches and decide if this guy is ready to compete in 2018, or else time to start looking at a QB in the first round next year.
And McAdoo is starting to show me some Jim Fassel things, which is also not good. That being, he's supposed to be an offensive minded coach, who is actually relying on his defense. Fassel did it in his first year in 1997, thanks mainly to his defense and a crap offense with a fullback (Charles Way) as his best player. By 1998, the bloom started to come off the rose. Fassel went back and forth on play call fighting with Sean Payton for a while as well. You have to wonder when that's coming with Sullivan.
I'm not ready to give up on the season, but soon enough I'll be waiting for the finger pointing to start from the defense as the frustration mounts. Either they are going to rally and save their season in Philly, or the wheels are going to come off real quick on this season. Show us some guts and toughness in Philly. I'm not holding my breath. The flaws on the offensive line have translated into the rest of the team coming apart.
Matt, Warner also went on Arizona where he saw his career rejuvenated. The end may be nearing for Eli, but he deserves so much better than what Reese has assembled around him. It's borderline criminally negligent. If this was a one year thing, it would be excusable. But we are now four years into a rebuild of the OL and instead of getting better it's regressing. The fish rots from the head first and that begins with the GM.
what a shit show. A few things of note here, and it's not a good harbinger in my mind. Eli, in the first half especially, looked very much like Kurt Warner in his swan song performances before Eli took the job from him. Tentative, holding the ball too long, not finding the open man and taking sacks. We know the OL is awful, can't run block now going on several years and Eli has taken a beating back there. But the eye test doesn't lie here. And I'm an Eli fan, but we are nearing territory that the Giants need to be taking a good look at Webb in practice and with the coaches and decide if this guy is ready to compete in 2018, or else time to start looking at a QB in the first round next year.
And McAdoo is starting to show me some Jim Fassel things, which is also not good. That being, he's supposed to be an offensive minded coach, who is actually relying on his defense. Fassel did it in his first year in 1997, thanks mainly to his defense and a crap offense with a fullback (Charles Way) as his best player. By 1998, the bloom started to come off the rose. Fassel went back and forth on play call fighting with Sean Payton for a while as well. You have to wonder when that's coming with Sullivan.
I'm not ready to give up on the season, but soon enough I'll be waiting for the finger pointing to start from the defense as the frustration mounts. Either they are going to rally and save their season in Philly, or the wheels are going to come off real quick on this season. Show us some guts and toughness in Philly. I'm not holding my breath. The flaws on the offensive line have translated into the rest of the team coming apart.
Matt, Warner also went on Arizona where he saw his career rejuvenated. The end may be nearing for Eli, but he deserves so much better than what Reese has assembled around him. It's borderline criminally negligent. If this was a one year thing, it would be excusable. But we are now four years into a rebuild of the OL and instead of getting better it's regressing. The fish rots from the head first and that begins with the GM.
what a shit show. A few things of note here, and it's not a good harbinger in my mind. Eli, in the first half especially, looked very much like Kurt Warner in his swan song performances before Eli took the job from him. Tentative, holding the ball too long, not finding the open man and taking sacks. We know the OL is awful, can't run block now going on several years and Eli has taken a beating back there. But the eye test doesn't lie here. And I'm an Eli fan, but we are nearing territory that the Giants need to be taking a good look at Webb in practice and with the coaches and decide if this guy is ready to compete in 2018, or else time to start looking at a QB in the first round next year.
And McAdoo is starting to show me some Jim Fassel things, which is also not good. That being, he's supposed to be an offensive minded coach, who is actually relying on his defense. Fassel did it in his first year in 1997, thanks mainly to his defense and a crap offense with a fullback (Charles Way) as his best player. By 1998, the bloom started to come off the rose. Fassel went back and forth on play call fighting with Sean Payton for a while as well. You have to wonder when that's coming with Sullivan.
I'm not ready to give up on the season, but soon enough I'll be waiting for the finger pointing to start from the defense as the frustration mounts. Either they are going to rally and save their season in Philly, or the wheels are going to come off real quick on this season. Show us some guts and toughness in Philly. I'm not holding my breath. The flaws on the offensive line have translated into the rest of the team coming apart.
The Fassel bashing makes no sense to me. In 1998, his QBs were Danny Kannel and Kent Graham. There is no amount of play calling that could make those guys look successful over the long-term. Even Kerry Collins was a tier below what's needed for sustained success in this league.
I agree with the other 2 paragraphs. Much like Aaron Judge is a 3 outcome player, Eli is a 3 outcome QB... he either misses open guys because of footsteps (NFL Matchup showed this last week), the o-line completely breaks down, or the pass gets dropped/completed short of the 1st down marker.
what a shit show. A few things of note here, and it's not a good harbinger in my mind. Eli, in the first half especially, looked very much like Kurt Warner in his swan song performances before Eli took the job from him. Tentative, holding the ball too long, not finding the open man and taking sacks. We know the OL is awful, can't run block now going on several years and Eli has taken a beating back there. But the eye test doesn't lie here. And I'm an Eli fan, but we are nearing territory that the Giants need to be taking a good look at Webb in practice and with the coaches and decide if this guy is ready to compete in 2018, or else time to start looking at a QB in the first round next year.
And McAdoo is starting to show me some Jim Fassel things, which is also not good. That being, he's supposed to be an offensive minded coach, who is actually relying on his defense. Fassel did it in his first year in 1997, thanks mainly to his defense and a crap offense with a fullback (Charles Way) as his best player. By 1998, the bloom started to come off the rose. Fassel went back and forth on play call fighting with Sean Payton for a while as well. You have to wonder when that's coming with Sullivan.
I'm not ready to give up on the season, but soon enough I'll be waiting for the finger pointing to start from the defense as the frustration mounts. Either they are going to rally and save their season in Philly, or the wheels are going to come off real quick on this season. Show us some guts and toughness in Philly. I'm not holding my breath. The flaws on the offensive line have translated into the rest of the team coming apart.
Well said Matt!! What I find very interesting is the media who usually shit on Eli are coming to his defense! They're shitting on Reese and Macdoo! Reese for the state of the offensive woes from the starting unit to the backups and Macdoo for his play selections and for not taking any of the blame.
"I think our offense is broken,” Mara said. “We need to improve on the offensive side. To me, that is the No. 1 personnel priority going into the off season is we need improve the offensive line."
The current GM heard this from the owner in 2013. It's now 2017, and the line is worst than it was in 2013, despite all his efforts. What confidence can we have this current FO has the ability to fix this in a year or two?
and I never felt this offense was a good fit for Eli and the
offensive line is criminal to waste the last 4-5 years
of the best QB this franchise has ever had hell he couldn;t
run as a rookie and never was a good short pass play QB
give him a solid run game and adequate pass protection we would't have needed a shiny new toy at TE , Eli threw the deep pass to Marshal and to Adams both on the Money the play
action on the only TD worked because of the Lions all out
blitz Eli at his best . When you have 3-4 receivers being
covered by 7 guys and they still can't provide 3 lousy seconds of pass protection .!
We seem to have two situations, either the OL breaks down immediately, or when they give Eli time, the routes/schemes just aren't getting it done - hence the 20 point plateau reaching eight games now.
The pick by Eli hurt, but hardly a game changer. It's the second quarter for goodness sake.
Marshall signing has bust written all over it. Dropped pass...but did you see his effort on the crossing route, going with one hand? Make an effort. I also saw Marshall one on one deep in the red zone....why aren't we using his big body and letting him go get a ball?
First and goal at the one. AGAIN, no jumbo formation where you can either run or pass with TEs matched on LBs. It's shotgun formation...I don't get it. Why carry TEs and a FB?
Not calling TO's at the end of the first half, or even at the end of the game with three minutes and change after our last drive turning it over on downs.....then he calls TO after the Detroit runner rips off a big gain to essentially ice the game.
Outside of the phantom panic sack when he definitely just gave up without being touched, he went balls out the rest of the game. He stood in there and got destroyed and made some crazy plays after that. He showed he was willing to go for it and People are still pissed. It's perplexing to me that TC and Gilbride were shit on for so many years, yet benny with the stupid fucking hair is getting some sort of pass for a 11-5 season. TC went 11-5 in 2005 and his job was questioned from week one in 2006 and 2007. This shit is on Ben and Reese. Reese has not necessarily neglected the line because we have two ones and a two in that group, he's just made Terrible picks. Therefore he needs to be held accountable.
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Outside of the phantom panic sack when he definitely just gave up without being touched, he went balls out the rest of the game. He stood in there and got destroyed and made some crazy plays after that. He showed he was willing to go for it and People are still pissed. It's perplexing to me that TC and Gilbride were shit on for so many years, yet benny with the stupid fucking hair is getting some sort of pass for a 11-5 season. TC went 11-5 in 2005 and his job was questioned from week one in 2006 and 2007. This shit is on Ben and Reese. Reese has not necessarily neglected the line because we have two ones and a two in that group, he's just made Terrible picks. Therefore he needs to be held accountable.
4th Down Delay of game was on Eli.
The INT was on Eli.
All critical plays. Yes, it was a team effort, but man, at some point you have to look at Eli's play!
McAdoo can't manage a game and play call. In hindsight, Coughlin should have stayed and Reese should have been fired 3 years ago. Reese is the reason our o line stinks. Brandon Marshall is a bust, another Reese mistake. Marshall is slow and lazy, zero effort. If ir wasn't for our D we would have lost the first 2 games by way more points! Can't wait for the NHL to start.......
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Outside of the phantom panic sack when he definitely just gave up without being touched, he went balls out the rest of the game. He stood in there and got destroyed and made some crazy plays after that. He showed he was willing to go for it and People are still pissed. It's perplexing to me that TC and Gilbride were shit on for so many years, yet benny with the stupid fucking hair is getting some sort of pass for a 11-5 season. TC went 11-5 in 2005 and his job was questioned from week one in 2006 and 2007. This shit is on Ben and Reese. Reese has not necessarily neglected the line because we have two ones and a two in that group, he's just made Terrible picks. Therefore he needs to be held accountable.
4th Down Delay of game was on Eli.
The INT was on Eli.
All critical plays. Yes, it was a team effort, but man, at some point you have to look at Eli's play!
The int was on Engram who didn't recognize zone and kept running. If he sat where he was supposed to, the ball would have hit him between the numbers. Not killing the kid; He's a rookie; it happens.
John Mara: Giants’ Season ‘As Disappointing As Any In My Memory’
Quote:
"I think our offense is broken,” Mara said. “We need to improve on the offensive side. To me, that is the No. 1 personnel priority going into the off season is we need improve the offensive line."
The current GM heard this from the owner in 2013. It's now 2017, and the line is worst than it was in 2013, despite all his efforts. What confidence can we have this current FO has the ability to fix this in a year or two?
Open the wallet Jawn because you've got another 200 million spend coming.
We're not going to beat the Chargers (they can score, and that team has had our number for years), and Seattle's defense will keep us to 10 points or less. Those are losses.
Here's the problem...you're not going to fix this offensive line by shuffling people around. We're looking at a 2 year rebuild on the OLine (we don't have the cap cash for a quick Free Agency rebuild, like we did on Defense). By that time, Eli...if he survives, which I doubt with this line...will be 38, and I think it's too late.
I think at this point we might want to look into seeing how much we can get for Eli, and make a trade that will bring enough draft choices to do a quick OLine rebuild. Then start Webb and see if he's the real deal. If we stink bad enough, then maybe look at one of the QB's coming out next year.
Yeah, we can keep Eli, but he's going to be a shell of the player we knew. The decent thing to do is send him to a team with an offensive line and a decent shot at the playoffs. He deserves a real chance at a third ring, something that's not going to happen here the way things are going.
Eli has a no trade clause. I'd waive it if I were him and say fuck the organization and "fans" at this point.
Plenty of teams would be interested. Without knowing their financial situation:
JAX
HOU
MIA
MIN
CLE
CIN
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The int was on Engram who didn't recognize zone and kept running. If he sat where he was supposed to, the ball would have hit him between the numbers. Not killing the kid; He's a rookie; it happens.
Why do people keep saying this? Eli AND the head coach both said it was a bad throw.
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We're not going to beat the Chargers (they can score, and that team has had our number for years), and Seattle's defense will keep us to 10 points or less. Those are losses.
Here's the problem...you're not going to fix this offensive line by shuffling people around. We're looking at a 2 year rebuild on the OLine (we don't have the cap cash for a quick Free Agency rebuild, like we did on Defense). By that time, Eli...if he survives, which I doubt with this line...will be 38, and I think it's too late.
I think at this point we might want to look into seeing how much we can get for Eli, and make a trade that will bring enough draft choices to do a quick OLine rebuild. Then start Webb and see if he's the real deal. If we stink bad enough, then maybe look at one of the QB's coming out next year.
Yeah, we can keep Eli, but he's going to be a shell of the player we knew. The decent thing to do is send him to a team with an offensive line and a decent shot at the playoffs. He deserves a real chance at a third ring, something that's not going to happen here the way things are going.
Eli has a no trade clause. I'd waive it if I were him and say fuck the organization and "fans" at this point.
Plenty of teams would be interested. Without knowing their financial situation:
JAX
SF
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The int was on Engram who didn't recognize zone and kept running. If he sat where he was supposed to, the ball would have hit him between the numbers. Not killing the kid; He's a rookie; it happens.
Why do people keep saying this? Eli AND the head coach both said it was a bad throw.
Watch the video I posted. The kid fucked up and did not recognize the zone. The coach and vet qb are not throwing him under the bus and rightly so.
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Watch the video I posted. The kid fucked up and did not recognize the zone. The coach and vet qb are not throwing him under the bus and rightly so.
Unless you have access to the playbook or coaches' instructions, you don't really know exactly what he's supposed to do on that play. You could be right, but you don't know that for certain. In that case, I'm going to take the coach and QB at their word.
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The int was on Engram who didn't recognize zone and kept running. If he sat where he was supposed to, the ball would have hit him between the numbers. Not killing the kid; He's a rookie; it happens.
Why do people keep saying this? Eli AND the head coach both said it was a bad throw.
Eli always takes the blame and he is a rookie .. no need to kill his confidence ... handle behind closed doors. He knows he should have sat down once he looks at the film. This keeps NY media off the kid.
We're not going to beat the Chargers (they can score, and that team has had our number for years), and Seattle's defense will keep us to 10 points or less. Those are losses.
Here's the problem...you're not going to fix this offensive line by shuffling people around. We're looking at a 2 year rebuild on the OLine (we don't have the cap cash for a quick Free Agency rebuild, like we did on Defense). By that time, Eli...if he survives, which I doubt with this line...will be 38, and I think it's too late.
I think at this point we might want to look into seeing how much we can get for Eli, and make a trade that will bring enough draft choices to do a quick OLine rebuild. Then start Webb and see if he's the real deal. If we stink bad enough, then maybe look at one of the QB's coming out next year.
Yeah, we can keep Eli, but he's going to be a shell of the player we knew. The decent thing to do is send him to a team with an offensive line and a decent shot at the playoffs. He deserves a real chance at a third ring, something that's not going to happen here the way things are going.
Eli has a no trade clause. I'd waive it if I were him and say fuck the organization and "fans" at this point.
Plenty of teams would be interested. Without knowing their financial situation:
JAX
HOU
MIA
MIN
CLE
CIN
Eli has no trade value with his cap hit and how the last year has gone. (Only The Bengals and Jacksonville would probably want him of that list too, given the others' resources invested in their QBs.)
The Giants would have to cut him and, while it can be done with some cap pain this offseason, I'm not sure how it would work in season, if they can make the numbers work or not.
That's not remotely the criticism to make tonight.
Not sure about Eli...he is not making a difference out there at all. T
Hell, when is our next reasonably winnable game? Don't we play the Bucs and the Broncos after Philly?
good times.. fuck this team right now..
Jerry should have re-signed Hankins.
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whose strength was play-action downfield passing and turned him into Captain Checkdown.
That's not remotely the criticism to make tonight.
It's a criticism since McAdoo came on and the philosophy change pushed on Coughlin.
They demanded that his completion % go up, hence this scheme. The OL also sucks because they felt they didn't need to upgrade because the quick passing game would mask it - but they forgot you need to run the ball effectively as well.
Next week we might score 13 points, but we'll give up a punt return and a pick six.
And there's nothing they can do about the offense right now...no quick fixes for the run or passing game.
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whose strength was play-action downfield passing and turned him into Captain Checkdown.
That's not remotely the criticism to make tonight.
It's a criticism since McAdoo came on and the philosophy change pushed on Coughlin.
They demanded that his completion % go up, hence this scheme. The OL also sucks because they felt they didn't need to upgrade because the quick passing game would mask it - but they forgot you need to run the ball effectively as well.
They likely did not expect % of 3rd conversions would drop in the process.
Jerry should have re-signed Hankins.
You will be the last. The defense is not the problem. Two games 13 point.
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whose strength was play-action downfield passing and turned him into Captain Checkdown.
That's not remotely the criticism to make tonight.
It's a criticism since McAdoo came on and the philosophy change pushed on Coughlin.
They demanded that his completion % go up, hence this scheme. The OL also sucks because they felt they didn't need to upgrade because the quick passing game would mask it - but they forgot you need to run the ball effectively as well.
We're talking about tonight and they tried to push the ball down field some. Guys didn't get open causing a couple coverage sacks and then they dropped some others.
Eli hung in there and got completely fucked up on some plays tonight because he wouldn't just check down.
I agree. The way things are now isn't and won't work. Time to blow it up.
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lol we are gonna be 0-3
Hell, when is our next reasonably winnable game? Don't we play the Bucs and the Broncos after Philly?
I think the best we can realistically hope for is 2-5 at the bye. We're toast.
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that's improvement!
Next week we might score 13 points, but we'll give up a punt return and a pick six.
We are gonna get shut out.
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lol we are gonna be 0-3
Hell, when is our next reasonably winnable game? Don't we play the Bucs and the Broncos after Philly?
Tampa, San Diego, Denver, Seattle
Bad OL and an immobile QB mean that teams can control the LOS with just their front four. The Lions at one point had five sacks with no blitzes. Eli played better in the second half. The Marshall drop was killer, and he took a wicked shot on the pass to Shepard. He has no pass protection, or run game. The throws he missed were probably a function of the hits he's taken. But he is inaccurate, and slow footed. He needs a much cleaner pocket now than we can give him.
Didn't take you long. Wow.
Problem is you really can't change it drastically now. You can fire McAdoo, or at least from play-calling, something I think definitely needs to happen. But you can't change the offensive philosophy completely at this point, and moreover, you've completely changed Eli and his habits in this offense.
Because of this, it's far more likely that this is going to be a lost season. And if the Giants fail to get to the playoffs, then it's time for Mara to make changes. And that means goodbye Mac, and maybe goodbye Eli.
Said this on the game thread: if we can trade OBJ, a once-a-generational receiving talent, for two competent offensive linemen, our chance of winning will actually go up. Not than we can or should do so, but that's how atrocious the line is.
People keep insisting giving Reese credits for upgrading other parts of the team. Come on, how good is a mother if she teaches her kids six languages and quantum mechanics but fails to provide them proper nutritions??
Not many winnable games
"with a smart game plan and good play calling".....That's not going to happen with this coach, sadly.
And there's nothing they can do about the offense right now...no quick fixes for the run or passing game.
They might be able to,beat San Diego and Seattle at home and be 2-5 at the bye.
Its the coaches team, his offensive system, he is calling the plays, he is designing the plays, and he can make changes to personel, can call a timeout to leave his team a shot before halftime instead of losing 45 seconds.
The very definition of madness is doing the same thing over and over, and expecting different results... what's the definition of McAdoo Madness? plugging in Flowers at LT over and over?
7 and nine means we'd win half the rest of our games. I don't see it.
Because this coach said Flowers was good enough to improve the o-line when clearly he is not. How could BM have not convinced the GM as to the urgency of the three positions on the oline that badly need upgrades! That's on BM as well as on the GM.
The Giants won't bench Flowers, so why not at least give him some help? We have no deep play ability without more pass protection. Play action won't work without a run game.
Nobody ever misses a field goal against us.
We miss tackles.
We drop passes.
We can't block.
We can't run.
We can't even get the ball off in time on 4th and goal.
Was thinking about that just before the game started - halftime honorees rarely make out well at a Giants game.
I'll take this one further. I don't think I've seen a Giants run game at all this year.
Nobody ever misses a field goal against us.
We miss tackles.
We drop passes.
We can't block.
We can't run.
We can't even get the ball off in time on 4th and goal.
And we're stuck with a horrible GM and a useless HC!
Here's the problem...you're not going to fix this offensive line by shuffling people around. We're looking at a 2 year rebuild on the OLine (we don't have the cap cash for a quick Free Agency rebuild, like we did on Defense). By that time, Eli...if he survives, which I doubt with this line...will be 38, and I think it's too late.
I think at this point we might want to look into seeing how much we can get for Eli, and make a trade that will bring enough draft choices to do a quick OLine rebuild. Then start Webb and see if he's the real deal. If we stink bad enough, then maybe look at one of the QB's coming out next year.
Yeah, we can keep Eli, but he's going to be a shell of the player we knew. The decent thing to do is send him to a team with an offensive line and a decent shot at the playoffs. He deserves a real chance at a third ring, something that's not going to happen here the way things are going.
They had a chance in the draft to trade down in the 1st round
Engram will be a nice player but that was a luxury pick IMO
Could have moved down to Cam Robinson and Dion Dawkins and
instead of taking Webb they could have moved up and took
Kareem Hunt who went one pick before our pick or stayed put
and selected Donta Foreman . None of our backs are power backs Vereen is a specialist Darkwa is a back up and Perkins a change of pace . We would have been fine with Ellison LaCosse and Adams .
Yeah Eli through a stride behind Engram bad throw but this offense has not been in sync for 19 games now .
Brandon Marshall had a huge drop but he has had very little game time in this offense and clearly is not totally in tune with Eli . This dink and dunk offense is maddening but this team is so easy to defend because the opposing defense can get home with in 3 seconds hardly enough time to throw
deep patterns there were two first have plays Odell was wide open cutting across the middle and Marshal had a step past two defenders both plays were good for 30 yards each
but mean while Eli was getting crushed because of the revolving door we have at LT .
Even when we manage a hole in the run game none of our RB's are dynamic enough to make extra yards or break tackles .
Now for the bad news the injuries are piling up .
And Philthy is on the horizon licking there chops they have an even better front 7 and they upgraded there skill positions .
Two top ten picks are not playing as such . I hear DRC went down hope he is ok because it's gonna get uglier !
I feel sorry for season tickit holders.
Don't listen to the troll. Leave it be. He's just lying.
Eli was wrong, get the play off or call a TO. Unacceptable to take a penalty in that spot.
Here's the problem...you're not going to fix this offensive line by shuffling people around. We're looking at a 2 year rebuild on the OLine (we don't have the cap cash for a quick Free Agency rebuild, like we did on Defense). By that time, Eli...if he survives, which I doubt with this line...will be 38, and I think it's too late.
I think at this point we might want to look into seeing how much we can get for Eli, and make a trade that will bring enough draft choices to do a quick OLine rebuild. Then start Webb and see if he's the real deal. If we stink bad enough, then maybe look at one of the QB's coming out next year.
Yeah, we can keep Eli, but he's going to be a shell of the player we knew. The decent thing to do is send him to a team with an offensive line and a decent shot at the playoffs. He deserves a real chance at a third ring, something that's not going to happen here the way things are going.
Eli is absolutely worthless. Nobody's giving us shit for an ineffective 36 year old QB making $20 million per year. No one could even fit him under the salary cap.
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Eli was wrong, get the play off or call a TO. Unacceptable to take a penalty in that spot.
bullshit...he ist he coach. get the fucking call in after making a faster decision....if you make a late decision call a timeout
Something is very very wrong here.. this team could QUICKLY have a terrible losing record going into the bye week.
Maybe it was just Eli's way of calling audible to a field goal.
And Macadoo knows it.
Both have good defensive lines...just saying.
And in the fact that oline is abysmal and you have a recipe for disaster. I wonder if Mara will step in and demand McAdoo stop calling plays? In any case, I think we will soon see the end of Eli and McAdoo, I really wished Eli could go out on a high note, but I guess it is not to be. As it appears now the Giants could be drafting in the top 5.
This is exactly right. That's how bad this situation is for Eli. We seriously need THREE upgrades on the o-line. 2 tackles and another guard or 2 guards, one tackle and move Pugh to tackle. We knew this at the end of 2016 and most of us knew this long before that. So what does our GM do about it. Well we're still starting the same guys as 2016 so go figure!
sorry didnt get it to you faster
And McAdoo is starting to show me some Jim Fassel things, which is also not good. That being, he's supposed to be an offensive minded coach, who is actually relying on his defense. Fassel did it in his first year in 1997, thanks mainly to his defense and a crap offense with a fullback (Charles Way) as his best player. By 1998, the bloom started to come off the rose. Fassel went back and forth on play call fighting with Sean Payton for a while as well. You have to wonder when that's coming with Sullivan.
I'm not ready to give up on the season, but soon enough I'll be waiting for the finger pointing to start from the defense as the frustration mounts. Either they are going to rally and save their season in Philly, or the wheels are going to come off real quick on this season. Show us some guts and toughness in Philly. I'm not holding my breath. The flaws on the offensive line have translated into the rest of the team coming apart.
He just said in the post game press conf that he told the players that the loss/game was on him.
Perkins had another 10 yards this week too! That's our starting RB. Holy shit!
To be fair, they almost always seem to play primetime games in Philly, which doesn't help. I'm still not ready to write off the season, but make no mistake... Philly is BETTER than the 2 teams we just played and lost to.
And McAdoo is starting to show me some Jim Fassel things, which is also not good. That being, he's supposed to be an offensive minded coach, who is actually relying on his defense. Fassel did it in his first year in 1997, thanks mainly to his defense and a crap offense with a fullback (Charles Way) as his best player. By 1998, the bloom started to come off the rose. Fassel went back and forth on play call fighting with Sean Payton for a while as well. You have to wonder when that's coming with Sullivan.
I'm not ready to give up on the season, but soon enough I'll be waiting for the finger pointing to start from the defense as the frustration mounts. Either they are going to rally and save their season in Philly, or the wheels are going to come off real quick on this season. Show us some guts and toughness in Philly. I'm not holding my breath. The flaws on the offensive line have translated into the rest of the team coming apart.
Matt, Warner also went on Arizona where he saw his career rejuvenated. The end may be nearing for Eli, but he deserves so much better than what Reese has assembled around him. It's borderline criminally negligent. If this was a one year thing, it would be excusable. But we are now four years into a rebuild of the OL and instead of getting better it's regressing. The fish rots from the head first and that begins with the GM.
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what a shit show. A few things of note here, and it's not a good harbinger in my mind. Eli, in the first half especially, looked very much like Kurt Warner in his swan song performances before Eli took the job from him. Tentative, holding the ball too long, not finding the open man and taking sacks. We know the OL is awful, can't run block now going on several years and Eli has taken a beating back there. But the eye test doesn't lie here. And I'm an Eli fan, but we are nearing territory that the Giants need to be taking a good look at Webb in practice and with the coaches and decide if this guy is ready to compete in 2018, or else time to start looking at a QB in the first round next year.
And McAdoo is starting to show me some Jim Fassel things, which is also not good. That being, he's supposed to be an offensive minded coach, who is actually relying on his defense. Fassel did it in his first year in 1997, thanks mainly to his defense and a crap offense with a fullback (Charles Way) as his best player. By 1998, the bloom started to come off the rose. Fassel went back and forth on play call fighting with Sean Payton for a while as well. You have to wonder when that's coming with Sullivan.
I'm not ready to give up on the season, but soon enough I'll be waiting for the finger pointing to start from the defense as the frustration mounts. Either they are going to rally and save their season in Philly, or the wheels are going to come off real quick on this season. Show us some guts and toughness in Philly. I'm not holding my breath. The flaws on the offensive line have translated into the rest of the team coming apart.
Matt, Warner also went on Arizona where he saw his career rejuvenated. The end may be nearing for Eli, but he deserves so much better than what Reese has assembled around him. It's borderline criminally negligent. If this was a one year thing, it would be excusable. But we are now four years into a rebuild of the OL and instead of getting better it's regressing. The fish rots from the head first and that begins with the GM.
Perfectly stated
And McAdoo is starting to show me some Jim Fassel things, which is also not good. That being, he's supposed to be an offensive minded coach, who is actually relying on his defense. Fassel did it in his first year in 1997, thanks mainly to his defense and a crap offense with a fullback (Charles Way) as his best player. By 1998, the bloom started to come off the rose. Fassel went back and forth on play call fighting with Sean Payton for a while as well. You have to wonder when that's coming with Sullivan.
I'm not ready to give up on the season, but soon enough I'll be waiting for the finger pointing to start from the defense as the frustration mounts. Either they are going to rally and save their season in Philly, or the wheels are going to come off real quick on this season. Show us some guts and toughness in Philly. I'm not holding my breath. The flaws on the offensive line have translated into the rest of the team coming apart.
The Fassel bashing makes no sense to me. In 1998, his QBs were Danny Kannel and Kent Graham. There is no amount of play calling that could make those guys look successful over the long-term. Even Kerry Collins was a tier below what's needed for sustained success in this league.
I agree with the other 2 paragraphs. Much like Aaron Judge is a 3 outcome player, Eli is a 3 outcome QB... he either misses open guys because of footsteps (NFL Matchup showed this last week), the o-line completely breaks down, or the pass gets dropped/completed short of the 1st down marker.
And McAdoo is starting to show me some Jim Fassel things, which is also not good. That being, he's supposed to be an offensive minded coach, who is actually relying on his defense. Fassel did it in his first year in 1997, thanks mainly to his defense and a crap offense with a fullback (Charles Way) as his best player. By 1998, the bloom started to come off the rose. Fassel went back and forth on play call fighting with Sean Payton for a while as well. You have to wonder when that's coming with Sullivan.
I'm not ready to give up on the season, but soon enough I'll be waiting for the finger pointing to start from the defense as the frustration mounts. Either they are going to rally and save their season in Philly, or the wheels are going to come off real quick on this season. Show us some guts and toughness in Philly. I'm not holding my breath. The flaws on the offensive line have translated into the rest of the team coming apart.
Well said Matt!! What I find very interesting is the media who usually shit on Eli are coming to his defense! They're shitting on Reese and Macdoo! Reese for the state of the offensive woes from the starting unit to the backups and Macdoo for his play selections and for not taking any of the blame.
The current GM heard this from the owner in 2013. It's now 2017, and the line is worst than it was in 2013, despite all his efforts. What confidence can we have this current FO has the ability to fix this in a year or two?
offensive line is criminal to waste the last 4-5 years
of the best QB this franchise has ever had hell he couldn;t
run as a rookie and never was a good short pass play QB
give him a solid run game and adequate pass protection we would't have needed a shiny new toy at TE , Eli threw the deep pass to Marshal and to Adams both on the Money the play
action on the only TD worked because of the Lions all out
blitz Eli at his best . When you have 3-4 receivers being
covered by 7 guys and they still can't provide 3 lousy seconds of pass protection .!
I was screaming wtf are u looking at right after the play. Terrible to be looking toward the sideline and Jumbotron there.
We seem to have two situations, either the OL breaks down immediately, or when they give Eli time, the routes/schemes just aren't getting it done - hence the 20 point plateau reaching eight games now.
The pick by Eli hurt, but hardly a game changer. It's the second quarter for goodness sake.
Marshall signing has bust written all over it. Dropped pass...but did you see his effort on the crossing route, going with one hand? Make an effort. I also saw Marshall one on one deep in the red zone....why aren't we using his big body and letting him go get a ball?
First and goal at the one. AGAIN, no jumbo formation where you can either run or pass with TEs matched on LBs. It's shotgun formation...I don't get it. Why carry TEs and a FB?
Not calling TO's at the end of the first half, or even at the end of the game with three minutes and change after our last drive turning it over on downs.....then he calls TO after the Detroit runner rips off a big gain to essentially ice the game.
4th Down Delay of game was on Eli.
The INT was on Eli.
All critical plays. Yes, it was a team effort, but man, at some point you have to look at Eli's play!
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Outside of the phantom panic sack when he definitely just gave up without being touched, he went balls out the rest of the game. He stood in there and got destroyed and made some crazy plays after that. He showed he was willing to go for it and People are still pissed. It's perplexing to me that TC and Gilbride were shit on for so many years, yet benny with the stupid fucking hair is getting some sort of pass for a 11-5 season. TC went 11-5 in 2005 and his job was questioned from week one in 2006 and 2007. This shit is on Ben and Reese. Reese has not necessarily neglected the line because we have two ones and a two in that group, he's just made Terrible picks. Therefore he needs to be held accountable.
4th Down Delay of game was on Eli.
The INT was on Eli.
All critical plays. Yes, it was a team effort, but man, at some point you have to look at Eli's play!
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"I think our offense is broken,” Mara said. “We need to improve on the offensive side. To me, that is the No. 1 personnel priority going into the off season is we need improve the offensive line."
The current GM heard this from the owner in 2013. It's now 2017, and the line is worst than it was in 2013, despite all his efforts. What confidence can we have this current FO has the ability to fix this in a year or two?
Pugh-Jones-Richburg-Fluker-Flowers?
Here's the problem...you're not going to fix this offensive line by shuffling people around. We're looking at a 2 year rebuild on the OLine (we don't have the cap cash for a quick Free Agency rebuild, like we did on Defense). By that time, Eli...if he survives, which I doubt with this line...will be 38, and I think it's too late.
I think at this point we might want to look into seeing how much we can get for Eli, and make a trade that will bring enough draft choices to do a quick OLine rebuild. Then start Webb and see if he's the real deal. If we stink bad enough, then maybe look at one of the QB's coming out next year.
Yeah, we can keep Eli, but he's going to be a shell of the player we knew. The decent thing to do is send him to a team with an offensive line and a decent shot at the playoffs. He deserves a real chance at a third ring, something that's not going to happen here the way things are going.
Eli has a no trade clause. I'd waive it if I were him and say fuck the organization and "fans" at this point.
Plenty of teams would be interested. Without knowing their financial situation:
JAX
HOU
MIA
MIN
CLE
CIN
The int was on Engram who didn't recognize zone and kept running. If he sat where he was supposed to, the ball would have hit him between the numbers. Not killing the kid; He's a rookie; it happens.
Why do people keep saying this? Eli AND the head coach both said it was a bad throw.
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We're not going to beat the Chargers (they can score, and that team has had our number for years), and Seattle's defense will keep us to 10 points or less. Those are losses.
Here's the problem...you're not going to fix this offensive line by shuffling people around. We're looking at a 2 year rebuild on the OLine (we don't have the cap cash for a quick Free Agency rebuild, like we did on Defense). By that time, Eli...if he survives, which I doubt with this line...will be 38, and I think it's too late.
I think at this point we might want to look into seeing how much we can get for Eli, and make a trade that will bring enough draft choices to do a quick OLine rebuild. Then start Webb and see if he's the real deal. If we stink bad enough, then maybe look at one of the QB's coming out next year.
Yeah, we can keep Eli, but he's going to be a shell of the player we knew. The decent thing to do is send him to a team with an offensive line and a decent shot at the playoffs. He deserves a real chance at a third ring, something that's not going to happen here the way things are going.
Eli has a no trade clause. I'd waive it if I were him and say fuck the organization and "fans" at this point.
Plenty of teams would be interested. Without knowing their financial situation:
JAX
SF
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The int was on Engram who didn't recognize zone and kept running. If he sat where he was supposed to, the ball would have hit him between the numbers. Not killing the kid; He's a rookie; it happens.
Why do people keep saying this? Eli AND the head coach both said it was a bad throw.
Watch the video I posted. The kid fucked up and did not recognize the zone. The coach and vet qb are not throwing him under the bus and rightly so.
Unless you have access to the playbook or coaches' instructions, you don't really know exactly what he's supposed to do on that play. You could be right, but you don't know that for certain. In that case, I'm going to take the coach and QB at their word.
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The int was on Engram who didn't recognize zone and kept running. If he sat where he was supposed to, the ball would have hit him between the numbers. Not killing the kid; He's a rookie; it happens.
Why do people keep saying this? Eli AND the head coach both said it was a bad throw.
Eli always takes the blame and he is a rookie .. no need to kill his confidence ... handle behind closed doors. He knows he should have sat down once he looks at the film. This keeps NY media off the kid.
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We're not going to beat the Chargers (they can score, and that team has had our number for years), and Seattle's defense will keep us to 10 points or less. Those are losses.
Here's the problem...you're not going to fix this offensive line by shuffling people around. We're looking at a 2 year rebuild on the OLine (we don't have the cap cash for a quick Free Agency rebuild, like we did on Defense). By that time, Eli...if he survives, which I doubt with this line...will be 38, and I think it's too late.
I think at this point we might want to look into seeing how much we can get for Eli, and make a trade that will bring enough draft choices to do a quick OLine rebuild. Then start Webb and see if he's the real deal. If we stink bad enough, then maybe look at one of the QB's coming out next year.
Yeah, we can keep Eli, but he's going to be a shell of the player we knew. The decent thing to do is send him to a team with an offensive line and a decent shot at the playoffs. He deserves a real chance at a third ring, something that's not going to happen here the way things are going.
Eli has a no trade clause. I'd waive it if I were him and say fuck the organization and "fans" at this point.
Plenty of teams would be interested. Without knowing their financial situation:
JAX
HOU
MIA
MIN
CLE
CIN
Eli has no trade value with his cap hit and how the last year has gone. (Only The Bengals and Jacksonville would probably want him of that list too, given the others' resources invested in their QBs.)
The Giants would have to cut him and, while it can be done with some cap pain this offseason, I'm not sure how it would work in season, if they can make the numbers work or not.