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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/18/2017 11:17 pm
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BleedBlue : 9/18/2017 11:18 pm : link
lol we are gonna be 0-3
Offense is in need of a massive reboot  
jcn56 : 9/18/2017 11:19 pm : link
From the scheme down to the personnel - keep OBJ, Shep and Engram - and the rest of them can basically go.
Our owners and GM took a QB  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 9/18/2017 11:20 pm : link
whose strength was play-action downfield passing and turned him into Captain Checkdown.
A truly pathetic effort  
gmenatlarge : 9/18/2017 11:21 pm : link
In ALL phases of the game...
Marshall  
Rolyrock : 9/18/2017 11:21 pm : link
ARRRRRGH
Then they gave him an offenisve line  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 9/18/2017 11:21 pm : link
that is literally the Sisters of the Poor.
RE: Our owners and GM took a QB  
Devon : 9/18/2017 11:21 pm : link
In comment 13604832 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:
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whose strength was play-action downfield passing and turned him into Captain Checkdown.


That's not remotely the criticism to make tonight.
The Eagles  
JohnF : 9/18/2017 11:21 pm : link
are going to massacre them next week. Even if OBJ is 100%.
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yankees78 : 9/18/2017 11:22 pm : link
Where to even begin...
that was painful to watch  
AnnapolisMike : 9/18/2017 11:22 pm : link
I was one thinking the OL would be better. I was utterly wrong. They need to make some big changes for the Philly game on the OL.

Not sure about Eli...he is not making a difference out there at all. T
McAdoo should start  
D_Giants : 9/18/2017 11:22 pm : link
as LT. At least the streak of less than 20 points per game continues. The Eagles will insure it continues next week.
better than last week.  
madgiantscow009 : 9/18/2017 11:23 pm : link
that's improvement!
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26.2 : 9/18/2017 11:23 pm : link
I feel bad for eli. Even though he's limited.
the team has done nothing  
bbfanva : 9/18/2017 11:25 pm : link
These guys have ignored the oline too long. What should the fans expect when the team does nothing to improve the weakest part of the team. The team looks as uninspired as they did during the Handley era..
We have a crappy O-line, but our QB and receivers  
CT Charlie : 9/18/2017 11:25 pm : link
are good enough to score 20 points a game every game (one TD, one FG per half) with a smart game plan and good play calling.
Eli  
D_Giants : 9/18/2017 11:25 pm : link
Use a victory formation to close her out.
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I am Ninja : 9/18/2017 11:25 pm : link
another season over by halloween. nice.
They have to bench Flowers  
Jim in Forest Hills : 9/18/2017 11:26 pm : link
He is killing them
Darnold ?  
averagejoe : 9/18/2017 11:26 pm : link
I mean who are we gonna beat with no points ?
8 straight games without getting more re than 19 points  
jeff57 : 9/18/2017 11:26 pm : link
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RE: ...  
santacruzom : 9/18/2017 11:26 pm : link
In comment 13604798 BleedBlue said:
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lol we are gonna be 0-3


Hell, when is our next reasonably winnable game? Don't we play the Bucs and the Broncos after Philly?
I mean I suppose it's nice  
GiantsRage2007 : 9/18/2017 11:26 pm : link
That we drafted Apple and Shepperd and Engram etc the last few years but it's pretty apparent another OL or 2 might have been a good idea.
First time in our long history  
dpinzow : 9/18/2017 11:26 pm : link
that we've lost the first 2 games of a season by 2 TDs or more
Time to face some cold hard facts  
gmenatlarge : 9/18/2017 11:27 pm : link
Flowers is a total bust and the rest of the line is not far behind...
lol we lost on MNF last year too  
Gordo : 9/18/2017 11:27 pm : link
24-10...

good times.. fuck this team right now..
Eli showed a champion's heart.  
bceagle05 : 9/18/2017 11:27 pm : link
Not much to say otherwise. Marshall's toast. Flowers is a bust. McAdoo's honeymoon is over. Reese's ass should be in the line. We'll be lucky to split the next two - this is looking like a 7-9 football team and maybe worse.
sad  
Steve in South Jersey : 9/18/2017 11:27 pm : link
sad night all around.
Marshall signing was a mistake  
AnnapolisMike : 9/18/2017 11:27 pm : link
He adds nothing
Let me be the first to say this, although in jest right now,  
SB 42 and 46 and ? : 9/18/2017 11:27 pm : link
but there will be some serious arguments in the future:

Jerry should have re-signed Hankins.
RE: RE: Our owners and GM took a QB  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 9/18/2017 11:28 pm : link
In comment 13604851 Devon said:
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In comment 13604832 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:


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whose strength was play-action downfield passing and turned him into Captain Checkdown.



That's not remotely the criticism to make tonight.


It's a criticism since McAdoo came on and the philosophy change pushed on Coughlin.

They demanded that his completion % go up, hence this scheme. The OL also sucks because they felt they didn't need to upgrade because the quick passing game would mask it - but they forgot you need to run the ball effectively as well.
RE: better than last week.  
D_Giants : 9/18/2017 11:28 pm : link
In comment 13604873 madgiantscow009 said:
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that's improvement!


Next week we might score 13 points, but we'll give up a punt return and a pick six.
If you can't protect an immobile QB  
jeff57 : 9/18/2017 11:28 pm : link
you're going to lose more often than not.
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Danny Kanell : 9/18/2017 11:29 pm : link
It's 2003 all over again.
Sucks knowing we're 0-3  
The_Boss : 9/18/2017 11:29 pm : link
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They are looking at 0-6  
JohnF : 9/18/2017 11:29 pm : link
before they get a "break" with the Rams/49'ers...though even winning those two is going to be a struggle. This is as scary bad as the late 70's. I watched those teams, and even they weren't as offensively inept as these guys (well, maybe the 1978 team was!)

And there's nothing they can do about the offense right now...no quick fixes for the run or passing game.
RE: RE: RE: Our owners and GM took a QB  
D_Giants : 9/18/2017 11:30 pm : link
In comment 13604932 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:
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In comment 13604851 Devon said:


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In comment 13604832 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:


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whose strength was play-action downfield passing and turned him into Captain Checkdown.



That's not remotely the criticism to make tonight.



It's a criticism since McAdoo came on and the philosophy change pushed on Coughlin.

They demanded that his completion % go up, hence this scheme. The OL also sucks because they felt they didn't need to upgrade because the quick passing game would mask it - but they forgot you need to run the ball effectively as well.


They likely did not expect % of 3rd conversions would drop in the process.
I'll  
Photoguy : 9/18/2017 11:30 pm : link
be watching my granddaughter play softball next Sunday. I won't spend a second thinking about the Giants.
only good thing about the Marshall  
bluepepper : 9/18/2017 11:30 pm : link
drop is that it probably prevents him from popping off. He surely regrets signing up for this sh*t-show and has hardly been targeted. Now he can't say squat.
Giants and night games  
jeff57 : 9/18/2017 11:30 pm : link
Not perfect together.
I never thought I'd say this  
BillT : 9/18/2017 11:30 pm : link
But they need to reorganize the OL. How about Pugh, Fluker, Richberg, Jerry, Wheeler. Flowers need to sit for now if not forever. Hart is hurt. Who knows.
RE: Let me be the first to say this, although in jest right now,  
AnnapolisMike : 9/18/2017 11:30 pm : link
In comment 13604930 SB 42 and 46 and ? said:
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but there will be some serious arguments in the future:

Jerry should have re-signed Hankins.


You will be the last. The defense is not the problem. Two games 13 point.
RE: RE: RE: Our owners and GM took a QB  
Devon : 9/18/2017 11:30 pm : link
In comment 13604932 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:
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In comment 13604851 Devon said:


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In comment 13604832 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:


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whose strength was play-action downfield passing and turned him into Captain Checkdown.



That's not remotely the criticism to make tonight.



It's a criticism since McAdoo came on and the philosophy change pushed on Coughlin.

They demanded that his completion % go up, hence this scheme. The OL also sucks because they felt they didn't need to upgrade because the quick passing game would mask it - but they forgot you need to run the ball effectively as well.


We're talking about tonight and they tried to push the ball down field some. Guys didn't get open causing a couple coverage sacks and then they dropped some others.

Eli hung in there and got completely fucked up on some plays tonight because he wouldn't just check down.
RE: I never thought I'd say this  
PatersonPlank : 9/18/2017 11:31 pm : link
In comment 13604973 BillT said:
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But they need to reorganize the OL. How about Pugh, Fluker, Richberg, Jerry, Wheeler. Flowers need to sit for now if not forever. Hart is hurt. Who knows.


I agree. The way things are now isn't and won't work. Time to blow it up.
How we are blaming the coach  
larryinnewhaven : 9/18/2017 11:31 pm : link
when we have Ereck Flowers at left tackle just isn't fair. The guy is comically bad. The reports during training camp said he was embarrassing against the taxi squad. He is a turnstile. Nothing works offensively if you 2seconds to pass. scary how bad we look.
RE: RE: ...  
The_Boss : 9/18/2017 11:31 pm : link
In comment 13604908 santacruzom said:
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In comment 13604798 BleedBlue said:


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lol we are gonna be 0-3



Hell, when is our next reasonably winnable game? Don't we play the Bucs and the Broncos after Philly?


I think the best we can realistically hope for is 2-5 at the bye. We're toast.
Whenever this team honors anything  
St. Jimmy : 9/18/2017 11:32 pm : link
run for the hills. Tonight was a good showing when honoring a team from the past.
RE: RE: better than last week.  
The_Boss : 9/18/2017 11:32 pm : link
In comment 13604934 D_Giants said:
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In comment 13604873 madgiantscow009 said:


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that's improvement!



Next week we might score 13 points, but we'll give up a punt return and a pick six.


We are gonna get shut out.
RE: RE: ...  
jeff57 : 9/18/2017 11:32 pm : link
In comment 13604908 santacruzom said:
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In comment 13604798 BleedBlue said:


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lol we are gonna be 0-3



Hell, when is our next reasonably winnable game? Don't we play the Bucs and the Broncos after Philly?

Tampa, San Diego, Denver, Seattle
Groundhog  
AcidTest : 9/18/2017 11:33 pm : link
Day.

Bad OL and an immobile QB mean that teams can control the LOS with just their front four. The Lions at one point had five sacks with no blitzes. Eli played better in the second half. The Marshall drop was killer, and he took a wicked shot on the pass to Shepard. He has no pass protection, or run game. The throws he missed were probably a function of the hits he's taken. But he is inaccurate, and slow footed. He needs a much cleaner pocket now than we can give him.
RE: If you can't protect an immobile QB  
map7711 : 9/18/2017 11:33 pm : link
In comment 13604939 jeff57 said:
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you're going to lose more often than not.


Didn't take you long. Wow.
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