Problem is you really can't change it drastically now. You can fire McAdoo, or at least from play-calling, something I think definitely needs to happen. But you can't change the offensive philosophy completely at this point, and moreover, you've completely changed Eli and his habits in this offense.
Because of this, it's far more likely that this is going to be a lost season. And if the Giants fail to get to the playoffs, then it's time for Mara to make changes. And that means goodbye Mac, and maybe goodbye Eli.
From the scheme down to the personnel - keep OBJ, Shep and Engram - and the rest of them can basically go.
Said this on the game thread: if we can trade OBJ, a once-a-generational receiving talent, for two competent offensive linemen, our chance of winning will actually go up. Not than we can or should do so, but that's how atrocious the line is.
People keep insisting giving Reese credits for upgrading other parts of the team. Come on, how good is a mother if she teaches her kids six languages and quantum mechanics but fails to provide them proper nutritions??
People who want to focus on a drop here or a play there are missing the big picture entirely. The QB is in decline, the OL sucks, our backs are a bunch of nobodies, our best skill player is not himself due to injury, and the head coach looks in over his head trying to run this offense while being the head coach. This isn't the same offense we had with him as a coordinator with Coughlin. And on a different note entirely, Mac is as bad as it gets with clock management. Like all time putrid level horrible. He has no idea what he's doing with the clock. That's down the list on importance of head coach attributes but it's still big and troubling that he can be so clueless. The way he handled the end of the half was a joke. Maybe not as bad as Minnesota game last year but still terrible
before they get a "break" with the Rams/49'ers...though even winning those two is going to be a struggle. This is as scary bad as the late 70's. I watched those teams, and even they weren't as offensively inept as these guys (well, maybe the 1978 team was!)
And there's nothing they can do about the offense right now...no quick fixes for the run or passing game.
They might be able to,beat San Diego and Seattle at home and be 2-5 at the bye.
come back with the same guys on the OL but based on the camp reports and pre-season games they didn't even experiment with moving guys around. So re-arranging the line now is dicey. Should have tried Pugh at LT and Flowers at RT or G just to see what happens and expose the guys to different positions. No imagination at all from this coaching staff or front office. They are in a very bad spot. Eli is not going to suddenly start moving around back there. Sure seems like we're screwed. But hey, Evan Engram is match-up nightmare so there's that.
when we have Ereck Flowers at left tackle just isn't fair. The guy is comically bad. The reports during training camp said he was embarrassing against the taxi squad. He is a turnstile. Nothing works offensively if you 2seconds to pass. scary how bad we look.
Its the coaches team, his offensive system, he is calling the plays, he is designing the plays, and he can make changes to personel, can call a timeout to leave his team a shot before halftime instead of losing 45 seconds.
The very definition of madness is doing the same thing over and over, and expecting different results... what's the definition of McAdoo Madness? plugging in Flowers at LT over and over?
Not much to say otherwise. Marshall's toast. Flowers is a bust. McAdoo's honeymoon is over. Reese's ass should be in the line. We'll be lucky to split the next two - this is looking like a 7-9 football team and maybe worse.
7 and nine means we'd win half the rest of our games. I don't see it.
when we have Ereck Flowers at left tackle just isn't fair. The guy is comically bad. The reports during training camp said he was embarrassing against the taxi squad. He is a turnstile. Nothing works offensively if you 2seconds to pass. scary how bad we look.
Because this coach said Flowers was good enough to improve the o-line when clearly he is not. How could BM have not convinced the GM as to the urgency of the three positions on the oline that badly need upgrades! That's on BM as well as on the GM.
problem is 80% OL, 20% Eli. Eli was never mobile, but he had pocket presence, which seems to be evaporating. His accuracy is also lacking at times. But the OL is just atrocious. More mobility by him would compensate, but he is harassed almost immediately. Flowers is awful, and he often can't step up in a pocket that is constantly being pushed backwards. We also can't run at all.
The Giants won't bench Flowers, so why not at least give him some help? We have no deep play ability without more pass protection. Play action won't work without a run game.
We suck when we honor something.
Nobody ever misses a field goal against us.
We miss tackles.
We drop passes.
We can't block.
We can't run.
We can't even get the ball off in time on 4th and goal.
and lost big. It's going to be a long season. There's not a realistic fix to this. Just wait until the blame game starts. Then it's going to get really interesting.
We suck when we honor something.
Nobody ever misses a field goal against us.
We miss tackles.
We drop passes.
We can't block.
We can't run.
We can't even get the ball off in time on 4th and goal.
And we're stuck with a horrible GM and a useless HC!
Complete complementary football? What does that mean?
We're not going to beat the Chargers (they can score, and that team has had our number for years), and Seattle's defense will keep us to 10 points or less. Those are losses.
Here's the problem...you're not going to fix this offensive line by shuffling people around. We're looking at a 2 year rebuild on the OLine (we don't have the cap cash for a quick Free Agency rebuild, like we did on Defense). By that time, Eli...if he survives, which I doubt with this line...will be 38, and I think it's too late.
I think at this point we might want to look into seeing how much we can get for Eli, and make a trade that will bring enough draft choices to do a quick OLine rebuild. Then start Webb and see if he's the real deal. If we stink bad enough, then maybe look at one of the QB's coming out next year.
Yeah, we can keep Eli, but he's going to be a shell of the player we knew. The decent thing to do is send him to a team with an offensive line and a decent shot at the playoffs. He deserves a real chance at a third ring, something that's not going to happen here the way things are going.
This is on Reece and Mac they blew it with the O-line we watched them fail for 17 weeks and now they regressed .
They had a chance in the draft to trade down in the 1st round
Engram will be a nice player but that was a luxury pick IMO
Could have moved down to Cam Robinson and Dion Dawkins and
instead of taking Webb they could have moved up and took
Kareem Hunt who went one pick before our pick or stayed put
and selected Donta Foreman . None of our backs are power backs Vereen is a specialist Darkwa is a back up and Perkins a change of pace . We would have been fine with Ellison LaCosse and Adams .
Yeah Eli through a stride behind Engram bad throw but this offense has not been in sync for 19 games now .
Brandon Marshall had a huge drop but he has had very little game time in this offense and clearly is not totally in tune with Eli . This dink and dunk offense is maddening but this team is so easy to defend because the opposing defense can get home with in 3 seconds hardly enough time to throw
deep patterns there were two first have plays Odell was wide open cutting across the middle and Marshal had a step past two defenders both plays were good for 30 yards each
but mean while Eli was getting crushed because of the revolving door we have at LT .
Even when we manage a hole in the run game none of our RB's are dynamic enough to make extra yards or break tackles .
Now for the bad news the injuries are piling up .
And Philthy is on the horizon licking there chops they have an even better front 7 and they upgraded there skill positions .
Two top ten picks are not playing as such . I hear DRC went down hope he is ok because it's gonna get uglier !
Everyone and their mother except Reese has known for years that this oline needed drastic help. Can't go into the season with the same shit as last year and expect a different outcome. As someone said before. Manure is manure no matter how you spread it. I know there wasn't a lot out there but make a trade or draft someone high. TJ Lang or someone of that caliber would of been better then these scrubs. When Pugh is your best lineman. New York we have a problem
We're not going to beat the Chargers (they can score, and that team has had our number for years), and Seattle's defense will keep us to 10 points or less. Those are losses.
Here's the problem...you're not going to fix this offensive line by shuffling people around. We're looking at a 2 year rebuild on the OLine (we don't have the cap cash for a quick Free Agency rebuild, like we did on Defense). By that time, Eli...if he survives, which I doubt with this line...will be 38, and I think it's too late.
I think at this point we might want to look into seeing how much we can get for Eli, and make a trade that will bring enough draft choices to do a quick OLine rebuild. Then start Webb and see if he's the real deal. If we stink bad enough, then maybe look at one of the QB's coming out next year.
Yeah, we can keep Eli, but he's going to be a shell of the player we knew. The decent thing to do is send him to a team with an offensive line and a decent shot at the playoffs. He deserves a real chance at a third ring, something that's not going to happen here the way things are going.
Eli is absolutely worthless. Nobody's giving us shit for an ineffective 36 year old QB making $20 million per year. No one could even fit him under the salary cap.
RE: RE: He totally emphasized Eli was wrong for not just snapping the ball on
There's no one on the bench that's any better than the 5 who are out there now. Reese once again dropped the ball on improving this unit, just as he did with the TE position for so long, trying to convince us that Larry Donnell would be a stud when everyone knew it wouldn't happen. I give him a lot of credit for improving the D last year but the OL has needed a serious upgrade for a while now; instead Reese stuck his head in the sand, trying to convince us that guys like Jerry and Newhouse were quality players and Flowers and Hart were much improved. Yeah, right.
...but there's not a QB in the league that could possibly thrive with an OL like this. And my grandparents could run block better than this group. Pugh and Richburg are decent players, the others are trash. 2 out of 5 ain't gonna cut it. Not by a long shot.
We cut certain players because of perceived no-value
Problem is you really can't change it drastically now. You can fire McAdoo, or at least from play-calling, something I think definitely needs to happen. But you can't change the offensive philosophy completely at this point, and moreover, you've completely changed Eli and his habits in this offense.
Because of this, it's far more likely that this is going to be a lost season. And if the Giants fail to get to the playoffs, then it's time for Mara to make changes. And that means goodbye Mac, and maybe goodbye Eli.
Said this on the game thread: if we can trade OBJ, a once-a-generational receiving talent, for two competent offensive linemen, our chance of winning will actually go up. Not than we can or should do so, but that's how atrocious the line is.
People keep insisting giving Reese credits for upgrading other parts of the team. Come on, how good is a mother if she teaches her kids six languages and quantum mechanics but fails to provide them proper nutritions??
Not many winnable games
"with a smart game plan and good play calling".....That's not going to happen with this coach, sadly.
And there's nothing they can do about the offense right now...no quick fixes for the run or passing game.
They might be able to,beat San Diego and Seattle at home and be 2-5 at the bye.
Its the coaches team, his offensive system, he is calling the plays, he is designing the plays, and he can make changes to personel, can call a timeout to leave his team a shot before halftime instead of losing 45 seconds.
The very definition of madness is doing the same thing over and over, and expecting different results... what's the definition of McAdoo Madness? plugging in Flowers at LT over and over?
7 and nine means we'd win half the rest of our games. I don't see it.
Because this coach said Flowers was good enough to improve the o-line when clearly he is not. How could BM have not convinced the GM as to the urgency of the three positions on the oline that badly need upgrades! That's on BM as well as on the GM.
The Giants won't bench Flowers, so why not at least give him some help? We have no deep play ability without more pass protection. Play action won't work without a run game.
Nobody ever misses a field goal against us.
We miss tackles.
We drop passes.
We can't block.
We can't run.
We can't even get the ball off in time on 4th and goal.
Was thinking about that just before the game started - halftime honorees rarely make out well at a Giants game.
I'll take this one further. I don't think I've seen a Giants run game at all this year.
Nobody ever misses a field goal against us.
We miss tackles.
We drop passes.
We can't block.
We can't run.
We can't even get the ball off in time on 4th and goal.
And we're stuck with a horrible GM and a useless HC!
Here's the problem...you're not going to fix this offensive line by shuffling people around. We're looking at a 2 year rebuild on the OLine (we don't have the cap cash for a quick Free Agency rebuild, like we did on Defense). By that time, Eli...if he survives, which I doubt with this line...will be 38, and I think it's too late.
I think at this point we might want to look into seeing how much we can get for Eli, and make a trade that will bring enough draft choices to do a quick OLine rebuild. Then start Webb and see if he's the real deal. If we stink bad enough, then maybe look at one of the QB's coming out next year.
Yeah, we can keep Eli, but he's going to be a shell of the player we knew. The decent thing to do is send him to a team with an offensive line and a decent shot at the playoffs. He deserves a real chance at a third ring, something that's not going to happen here the way things are going.
They had a chance in the draft to trade down in the 1st round
Engram will be a nice player but that was a luxury pick IMO
Could have moved down to Cam Robinson and Dion Dawkins and
instead of taking Webb they could have moved up and took
Kareem Hunt who went one pick before our pick or stayed put
and selected Donta Foreman . None of our backs are power backs Vereen is a specialist Darkwa is a back up and Perkins a change of pace . We would have been fine with Ellison LaCosse and Adams .
Yeah Eli through a stride behind Engram bad throw but this offense has not been in sync for 19 games now .
Brandon Marshall had a huge drop but he has had very little game time in this offense and clearly is not totally in tune with Eli . This dink and dunk offense is maddening but this team is so easy to defend because the opposing defense can get home with in 3 seconds hardly enough time to throw
deep patterns there were two first have plays Odell was wide open cutting across the middle and Marshal had a step past two defenders both plays were good for 30 yards each
but mean while Eli was getting crushed because of the revolving door we have at LT .
Even when we manage a hole in the run game none of our RB's are dynamic enough to make extra yards or break tackles .
Now for the bad news the injuries are piling up .
And Philthy is on the horizon licking there chops they have an even better front 7 and they upgraded there skill positions .
Two top ten picks are not playing as such . I hear DRC went down hope he is ok because it's gonna get uglier !
I feel sorry for season tickit holders.
Don't listen to the troll. Leave it be. He's just lying.
Eli was wrong, get the play off or call a TO. Unacceptable to take a penalty in that spot.
Here's the problem...you're not going to fix this offensive line by shuffling people around. We're looking at a 2 year rebuild on the OLine (we don't have the cap cash for a quick Free Agency rebuild, like we did on Defense). By that time, Eli...if he survives, which I doubt with this line...will be 38, and I think it's too late.
I think at this point we might want to look into seeing how much we can get for Eli, and make a trade that will bring enough draft choices to do a quick OLine rebuild. Then start Webb and see if he's the real deal. If we stink bad enough, then maybe look at one of the QB's coming out next year.
Yeah, we can keep Eli, but he's going to be a shell of the player we knew. The decent thing to do is send him to a team with an offensive line and a decent shot at the playoffs. He deserves a real chance at a third ring, something that's not going to happen here the way things are going.
Eli is absolutely worthless. Nobody's giving us shit for an ineffective 36 year old QB making $20 million per year. No one could even fit him under the salary cap.
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4th down on goalline when OL was not set
Eli was wrong, get the play off or call a TO. Unacceptable to take a penalty in that spot.
bullshit...he ist he coach. get the fucking call in after making a faster decision....if you make a late decision call a timeout
Something is very very wrong here.. this team could QUICKLY have a terrible losing record going into the bye week.
Maybe it was just Eli's way of calling audible to a field goal.
And Macadoo knows it.