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McAdoo isn't shy about criticizing Eli

Danny Kanell : 9/18/2017 11:43 pm
But is very careful about not criticizing Flowers and others. Anyone catch the "sloppy QB play" comment? And a couple other comments on the turnover and bad throw comments. But made sure when the reporters were pushing on Flowers, he said it's not just one player.
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RE: RE: Listening to McAdoo's criticism - makes the OP sound unfair  
jcn56 : 9/19/2017 12:04 am : link
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A reporter asked about the delay of game penalty, and McAdoo blamed 'sloppy QB play' and said the QB and center had to be on the same page.

Considering Eli has been having those delay of game issues for a long time, maybe he's got a point on that.



He also harped on the pick several times and made it clear Eli had several options on the 4th down play to Vereen. Just subtle things where he didn't point other specific negatives out when there were millions to chose from.


He certainly didn't lay off Eli - but several times the responses he gave were to specific questions about why Eli did something (why did Eli throw to short to Vereen, how did the INT happen, etc.). He also mentioned that there were protection issues - didn't sugar coat anything, although he gave props to Pugh moving into the RT spot.
Eli  
weaverpsu : 9/19/2017 12:05 am : link
played his ass off. McAdoo should be fired for putting Flowers back out there in the 2nd half. What a disgrace!
RE: RE: I really think McAdoo could lose the players if he keeps this up  
Route 9 : 9/19/2017 12:05 am : link
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No way! He plays music at practice! He "gets" millennials!


Haha
RE: Eli sucked  
weaverpsu : 9/19/2017 12:05 am : link
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You must have watched a different game...or sport altogether
RE: Listening to McAdoo's criticism - makes the OP sound unfair  
Devon : 9/19/2017 12:06 am : link
In comment 13605274 jcn56 said:
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A reporter asked about the delay of game penalty, and McAdoo blamed 'sloppy QB play' and said the QB and center had to be on the same page.

Considering Eli has been having those delay of game issues for a long time, maybe he's got a point on that.


Eli having major delay of game issues is a myth.

He's literally average/maybe slightly worse in terms of taking them in his career.
RE: RE: RE: The funny thing about many of those that defend McAdoo?  
WillVAB : 9/19/2017 12:06 am : link
In comment 13605308 montanagiant said:
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Is the fact they blame the Offensive Line talent (Which is absolutely 100% justified to a degree) while also wanting to point the finger on Eli as playing bad when he has zero running game or time to throw due to the same horrid offensive line that they use as an excuse for McAdoo.



Montana, I do find it interesting that fans understand the OL stinks, but blame the qb in the same breath

It's not just the pressure on him, its that he has nothing, nada, zip of a running game to help set anything up. He is on an island out there with nothing to help him


Yep. No running game even though McAdoo force fed it at a time when the defense was playing pass. Receiver drops at critical moments. Inconsistent separation at best. No YAC from the receivers.
RE: RE: The funny thing about many of those that defend McAdoo?  
jcn56 : 9/19/2017 12:08 am : link
In comment 13605290 crick n NC said:
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Is the fact they blame the Offensive Line talent (Which is absolutely 100% justified to a degree) while also wanting to point the finger on Eli as playing bad when he has zero running game or time to throw due to the same horrid offensive line that they use as an excuse for McAdoo.



Montana, I do find it interesting that fans understand the OL stinks, but blame the qb in the same breath


Because Eli is hanging the OL and offense out to dry at other times. It's a symbiotic relationship; holding the ball too long, making an audible into a run play when the D has stacked the box - isn't doing the OL any favors either.

Further, have you spent some time watching OL play around the league lately? Nobody gets 4-5 seconds a play to pass on every passing down - not even Prescott, who has to rely on his mobility plenty to make plays when protection breaks down. That's what lead to his poor passing performance against Denver this past weekend.

Eli was a BIG reason we went into the tunnel losing at the half.
RE: RE: Listening to McAdoo's criticism - makes the OP sound unfair  
HomerJones45 : 9/19/2017 12:09 am : link
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A reporter asked about the delay of game penalty, and McAdoo blamed 'sloppy QB play' and said the QB and center had to be on the same page.

Considering Eli has been having those delay of game issues for a long time, maybe he's got a point on that.



Just watched it, I didn't think he through Eli under the bus. Mentioned a lot of times about the duress he was under. Yes he hated the Int, but so did I. He also seemed to signal OL changes, basically saying everything is on the table.
He's rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic but I suppose he needs to try something. If you love Flowers' act, you'll adore Fluker as it is much the same. Jones, the rose of the CFL? There is not a lot to work with.
RE: Eli was awful in first half  
weaverpsu : 9/19/2017 12:09 am : link
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and his receivers were bad in second half.

Good ham and eggin'


Wasn't he like 11-13 in 1st half? How was he bad. The line sucked and they couldn't run. I don't understand these comments.
RE: RE: RE: The funny thing about many of those that defend McAdoo?  
crick n NC : 9/19/2017 12:12 am : link
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Is the fact they blame the Offensive Line talent (Which is absolutely 100% justified to a degree) while also wanting to point the finger on Eli as playing bad when he has zero running game or time to throw due to the same horrid offensive line that they use as an excuse for McAdoo.



Montana, I do find it interesting that fans understand the OL stinks, but blame the qb in the same breath



Because Eli is hanging the OL and offense out to dry at other times. It's a symbiotic relationship; holding the ball too long, making an audible into a run play when the D has stacked the box - isn't doing the OL any favors either.

Further, have you spent some time watching OL play around the league lately? Nobody gets 4-5 seconds a play to pass on every passing down - not even Prescott, who has to rely on his mobility plenty to make plays when protection breaks down. That's what lead to his poor passing performance against Denver this past weekend.

Eli was a BIG reason we went into the tunnel losing at the half.


JCN, you and I should probably agree to disagree with our philosophies on how an offense runs. I respect your opinion
RE: RE: RE: The funny thing about many of those that defend McAdoo?  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 9/19/2017 12:13 am : link
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Eli was a BIG reason we went into the tunnel losing at the half.


ITA. Eli killed 2 different first half drives by holding the ball too long and getting sacked, then made the single biggest negative play of the game with the pick.

As for McAdoo's criticism of Eli (but not of Flowers), I don't get it. McAdoo and Reese seem to bend over backwards not to criticize Flowers despite the fact he's KILLING the team and damn near the QB with his poor play. Meanwhile neither will hold their tongues when it comes to Eli or Odell. While Flowers was better in the 2nd half, he clearly does not deserve to play. Are we not holding people accountable anymore?
crick - we'll agree to disagree then  
jcn56 : 9/19/2017 12:15 am : link
When a veteran QB - two time SB MVP with 13 seasons to his credit - doesn't know to dump off a ball after he's held it for awhile and everyone is covered, I'm afraid it's not all on his OL.

Would be very nice if we could put all the blame on them as they're all relatively inexpensive and easily replaced (players of this quality at least) - but it's not all on them.
Jcn  
KWhite2250 : 9/19/2017 12:15 am : link
You keep bringing up eli holding the ball too long, are you calling for him to throw it away or to force it in? Because they showed highlights of how nobody was open on those plays he held the ball too long. Go back and watch right before the 2nd half. Gruden highlighted it
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jcn56 : 9/19/2017 12:16 am : link
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You keep bringing up eli holding the ball too long, are you calling for him to throw it away or to force it in? Because they showed highlights of how nobody was open on those plays he held the ball too long. Go back and watch right before the 2nd half. Gruden highlighted it


Throw it away - nothing good is going to happen 6 seconds after the snap.
RE: RE: RE: Listening to McAdoo's criticism - makes the OP sound unfair  
WillVAB : 9/19/2017 12:17 am : link
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A reporter asked about the delay of game penalty, and McAdoo blamed 'sloppy QB play' and said the QB and center had to be on the same page.

Considering Eli has been having those delay of game issues for a long time, maybe he's got a point on that.



Just watched it, I didn't think he through Eli under the bus. Mentioned a lot of times about the duress he was under. Yes he hated the Int, but so did I. He also seemed to signal OL changes, basically saying everything is on the table.

He's rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic but I suppose he needs to try something. If you love Flowers' act, you'll adore Fluker as it is much the same. Jones, the rose of the CFL? There is not a lot to work with.


I think they have to try Pugh-Flowers-Richberg-Fluker-Wheeler

See if Flowers and Fluker can play in a phone booth and hopefully provide some push up the middle.
RE: RE: RE: The funny thing about many of those that defend McAdoo?  
HomerJones45 : 9/19/2017 12:17 am : link
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Is the fact they blame the Offensive Line talent (Which is absolutely 100% justified to a degree) while also wanting to point the finger on Eli as playing bad when he has zero running game or time to throw due to the same horrid offensive line that they use as an excuse for McAdoo.



Montana, I do find it interesting that fans understand the OL stinks, but blame the qb in the same breath



Because Eli is hanging the OL and offense out to dry at other times. It's a symbiotic relationship; holding the ball too long, making an audible into a run play when the D has stacked the box - isn't doing the OL any favors either.

Further, have you spent some time watching OL play around the league lately? Nobody gets 4-5 seconds a play to pass on every passing down - not even Prescott, who has to rely on his mobility plenty to make plays when protection breaks down. That's what lead to his poor passing performance against Denver this past weekend.

Eli was a BIG reason we went into the tunnel losing at the half.
LOL. Ludicrous unless you mean holding the ball for two seconds is holding it too long. Ansah made Flowers his bitch the whole first half.
So he should dump it off?  
KWhite2250 : 9/19/2017 12:19 am : link
But he's also getting killed for checking down also. He's damned with whatever he does it seems.

And I do think he's not been great in these 2 games. His pass to Engram was behind and it did absolutely lead to a momentum change.
RE: So he should dump it off?  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 9/19/2017 12:25 am : link
In comment 13605424 KWhite2250 said:
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But he's also getting killed for checking down also. He's damned with whatever he does it seems.

And I do think he's not been great in these 2 games. His pass to Engram was behind and it did absolutely lead to a momentum change.


He's getting killed for checkdowns on 3rd and whatever.

He's been around far too long to take a couple of the drive killing sacks he took in the first half. The ball must be thrown away.
RE: So he should dump it off?  
HomerJones45 : 9/19/2017 12:26 am : link
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But he's also getting killed for checking down also. He's damned with whatever he does it seems.

And I do think he's not been great in these 2 games. His pass to Engram was behind and it did absolutely lead to a momentum change.
That was on Engram. Lions were in a zone and the kid should have stopped between the two defenders in front him which is where the ball went. If Eli had led him, he would have thrown it right to the defender.
Replay starts at the 1:10 mark - ( New Window )
RE: RE: So he should dump it off?  
HomerJones45 : 9/19/2017 12:27 am : link
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But he's also getting killed for checking down also. He's damned with whatever he does it seems.

And I do think he's not been great in these 2 games. His pass to Engram was behind and it did absolutely lead to a momentum change.



He's getting killed for checkdowns on 3rd and whatever.

He's been around far too long to take a couple of the drive killing sacks he took in the first half. The ball must be thrown away.
Watch the replays. He had less than 2.5 seconds on each of Ansah's sacks. Ansah really had his way with Flowers in the first half.
RE: RE: So he should dump it off?  
jcn56 : 9/19/2017 12:28 am : link
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But he's also getting killed for checking down also. He's damned with whatever he does it seems.

And I do think he's not been great in these 2 games. His pass to Engram was behind and it did absolutely lead to a momentum change.

That was on Engram. Lions were in a zone and the kid should have stopped between the two defenders in front him which is where the ball went. If Eli had led him, he would have thrown it right to the defender. Replay starts at the 1:10 mark - ( New Window )


So, your position is he shouldn't have thrown it in front of Engram, but he threw it behind him where Engram couldn't catch it.

Sounds about right.
Do you even read the articles you link?  
jcn56 : 9/19/2017 12:29 am : link
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Manning was sacked four times, with Flowers getting embarrassed by Ziggy Ansah. Twice, Manning held the ball too long waiting for his targets to break free for coverage sacks, but this was another unmitigated mess up front.
RE: RE: So he should dump it off?  
montanagiant : 9/19/2017 12:30 am : link
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But he's also getting killed for checking down also. He's damned with whatever he does it seems.

And I do think he's not been great in these 2 games. His pass to Engram was behind and it did absolutely lead to a momentum change.

That was on Engram. Lions were in a zone and the kid should have stopped between the two defenders in front him which is where the ball went. If Eli had led him, he would have thrown it right to the defender. Replay starts at the 1:10 mark - ( New Window )

LOL...You're absolutely correct that would have most likely been a pick 6 also
RE: RE: RE: So he should dump it off?  
montanagiant : 9/19/2017 12:32 am : link
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But he's also getting killed for checking down also. He's damned with whatever he does it seems.

And I do think he's not been great in these 2 games. His pass to Engram was behind and it did absolutely lead to a momentum change.

That was on Engram. Lions were in a zone and the kid should have stopped between the two defenders in front him which is where the ball went. If Eli had led him, he would have thrown it right to the defender. Replay starts at the 1:10 mark - ( New Window )



So, your position is he shouldn't have thrown it in front of Engram, but he threw it behind him where Engram couldn't catch it.

Sounds about right.

You need to honestly watch the replay he linked. He leads him that is right in the hands of the LB dropping back into coverage. Now you can critique him for not throwing it away but the pass was in the only spot possible to EE on that play
He held the ball too long on one of the sacks in the first half and  
Devon : 9/19/2017 12:32 am : link
there was another coverage sack, where he was trying to make a play down field (you know, as opposed to what he's been getting killed for doing lately).

That was it.

I'm someone who has been open about thinking his clock is permanently busted, but people killing him for his pocket presence or trying to scapegoat him to cushion blame for the OL, especially Flowers, after this game is nuts.
For what it's worth  
montanagiant : 9/19/2017 12:33 am : link
I also felt that was an off-target throw but seeing that replay shows that was the only spot
That pick  
Marty866b : 9/19/2017 12:33 am : link
Was totally on the quarterback. Anyone thinking differently is just an Eli apologist. That may have been the biggest play of the game. We finally for the first time this season got some momentum. Eli killed it on one play. I don't care what his numbers say, Eli was total crap in the first half. An old,immobile quarterback behind this offensive line and lack of running game is a definite recipe for failure. I kind of wish this season was already over. There is a lot more aggravation to look forward to.
So, the only spot to throw it to was where it was picked off?  
jcn56 : 9/19/2017 12:36 am : link
I vote for 'don't throw the damn ball there' then.

Of course, I saw the play - and there was absolutely a play to be made, but it would have required an excellent throw. The good news is Eli can still make them, and did tonight. The bad news is they're still interspersed with poor throws and bad decisions, as has been the case for some time with Eli.
In that clip  
WillVAB : 9/19/2017 12:36 am : link
All Engram has to do is slow down a step to make that catch in stride.

RE: RE: RE: So he should dump it off?  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 9/19/2017 12:38 am : link
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Watch the replays. He had less than 2.5 seconds on each of Ansah's sacks. Ansah really had his way with Flowers in the first half.


The Haloti Ngata sack 2 plays into the game... the ball has to come out of his hand or he has to take off running.

The Jarrad Davis sack on 1st & 10 fake reverse... the ball has to come out of his hand or he must throw it away.

Those were both preventable sacks and both killed 1st half drives.
RE: In that clip  
jcn56 : 9/19/2017 12:43 am : link
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All Engram has to do is slow down a step to make that catch in stride.


So in this parallel universe, QBs don't hit receivers in stride, they expect players to slow down and arrive at a point simultaneous to the ball?

Sounds interesting - nothing like football the way it's played everywhere else.
RE: So, the only spot to throw it to was where it was picked off?  
montanagiant : 9/19/2017 12:46 am : link
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I vote for 'don't throw the damn ball there' then.

Of course, I saw the play - and there was absolutely a play to be made, but it would have required an excellent throw. The good news is Eli can still make them, and did tonight. The bad news is they're still interspersed with poor throws and bad decisions, as has been the case for some time with Eli.
WHere should the pass have been to him to make a play?
If you're throwing to Engram, there's no excuse - you hit him  
jcn56 : 9/19/2017 12:48 am : link
in stride and he makes the catch. If he doesn't - it's on him.

Throwing it behind him - where there's literally no chance of him catching it - because there was a defender up top implies Eli shouldn't have been throwing to him in the first place.

It was a bad throw - both BM and Eli admitted as much in their post game pressers.
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montanagiant : 9/19/2017 12:49 am : link
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All Engram has to do is slow down a step to make that catch in stride.




So in this parallel universe, QBs don't hit receivers in stride, they expect players to slow down and arrive at a point simultaneous to the ball?

Sounds interesting - nothing like football the way it's played everywhere else.
Yes that is called sitting in the soft spot of the Zone. This what Witten excels at. Now an argument that the ball should have been thrown elsewhere might be able to be made but would have to wait until the Coach's Tape replay is on Direct T.V's NFL pkg
RE: If you're throwing to Engram, there's no excuse - you hit him  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 9/19/2017 12:50 am : link
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in stride and he makes the catch. If he doesn't - it's on him.

Throwing it behind him - where there's literally no chance of him catching it - because there was a defender up top implies Eli shouldn't have been throwing to him in the first place.

It was a bad throw - both BM and Eli admitted as much in their post game pressers.


I completely agree. I don't see how that isn't on Eli. It was the play of the game IMO.
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WillVAB : 9/19/2017 12:50 am : link
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All Engram has to do is slow down a step to make that catch in stride.




So in this parallel universe, QBs don't hit receivers in stride, they expect players to slow down and arrive at a point simultaneous to the ball?

Sounds interesting - nothing like football the way it's played everywhere else.


Yea because players just run full speed like a video game and never adjust to the ball.

The ball was thrown in the only spot it could be thrown. Really the only criticism I see on that play is maybe trying to hit him early before Davis recognizes the play and drops into the passing lane.

You're just being ridiculous. Eli has to throw between two LBs in a zone to a guy who runs a 4.4 across the defenders. The throw ending up being about a foot behind his hands in stride but still catchable.
RE: If you're throwing to Engram, there's no excuse - you hit him  
montanagiant : 9/19/2017 12:51 am : link
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in stride and he makes the catch. If he doesn't - it's on him.

Throwing it behind him - where there's literally no chance of him catching it - because there was a defender up top implies Eli shouldn't have been throwing to him in the first place.

It was a bad throw - both BM and Eli admitted as much in their post game pressers.
You can't on that play if you watch the replay. You have a LB dropping back completely in the spot that pass would be. There is no window there to lead him unless you have another 2 secs to let him clear pass that dropping LB which he didn't have
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arcarsenal : 9/19/2017 12:52 am : link
The entire offense is a fucking mess. Eli did a few things that hurt us... there was one sack in particular where he was barely touched and just fell to the ground. The throw behind Engram that led to a turnover literally one play after the defense forced one.. held the ball too long on a couple other plays.

But I don't know how any QB in this league is going to succeed when they have no running game whatsoever, when they get poor pass protection.. when their receivers drop key balls.. it's an impossible situation.

Eli hung in there in the 2nd half and took some pretty serious hits. But he knows he can't do that all season - he'll never make it to the end.

There are just so many things wrong with this offense right now.. no one is blameless, but it's not fair to pin it all on Eli.
Or you could just listen to the coach say the QB made  
jcn56 : 9/19/2017 12:52 am : link
a mistake. Or listen to Eli say it.

As for a soft zone - he would have had much more room to maneuver if that were the case.
That was a 4th down  
AcesUp : 9/19/2017 12:52 am : link
They should not have been going for in the first place. We're completely inept up front, that's a low percentage play for us. Take the points, it was a blessing.
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HomerJones45 : 9/19/2017 12:53 am : link
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All Engram has to do is slow down a step to make that catch in stride.




So in this parallel universe, QBs don't hit receivers in stride, they expect players to slow down and arrive at a point simultaneous to the ball?

Sounds interesting - nothing like football the way it's played everywhere else.

Yes that is called sitting in the soft spot of the Zone. This what Witten excels at. Now an argument that the ball should have been thrown elsewhere might be able to be made but would have to wait until the Coach's Tape replay is on Direct T.V's NFL pkg
Exactly. Not blaming the rookie but he kept going when he had a soft spot between and in back of the two defenders. Witten stops and has an easy completion. That's where Eli threw the ball. Argue if you wish that he should have gone elsewhere but saying he should have led Engram is talking out your ass without looking to see where the defenders were.
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WillVAB : 9/19/2017 12:53 am : link
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in stride and he makes the catch. If he doesn't - it's on him.

Throwing it behind him - where there's literally no chance of him catching it - because there was a defender up top implies Eli shouldn't have been throwing to him in the first place.

It was a bad throw - both BM and Eli admitted as much in their post game pressers.

You can't on that play if you watch the replay. You have a LB dropping back completely in the spot that pass would be. There is no window there to lead him unless you have another 2 secs to let him clear pass that dropping LB which he didn't have


And then the complaint would be he holds the ball too long.

Fucking impossible situation for Eli
This is the replay Homer Jones linked  
montanagiant : 9/19/2017 12:55 am : link
The play in question is around the 1:10 mark. If you actually watch this replay you will see the LB dropping back right to the spot you guys are claiming Eli should have thrown to. the only spots that are open are where Eli threw it or if he waited which was impossible due to the pass rush
1:10 - ( New Window )
RE: That was a 4th down  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 9/19/2017 12:55 am : link
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They should not have been going for in the first place. We're completely inept up front, that's a low percentage play for us. Take the points, it was a blessing.


I don't know what the fuck he was thinking there. The penalty was a blessing, as you said.
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jcn56 : 9/19/2017 12:56 am : link
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The entire offense is a fucking mess. Eli did a few things that hurt us... there was one sack in particular where he was barely touched and just fell to the ground. The throw behind Engram that led to a turnover literally one play after the defense forced one.. held the ball too long on a couple other plays.

But I don't know how any QB in this league is going to succeed when they have no running game whatsoever, when they get poor pass protection.. when their receivers drop key balls.. it's an impossible situation.

Eli hung in there in the 2nd half and took some pretty serious hits. But he knows he can't do that all season - he'll never make it to the end.

There are just so many things wrong with this offense right now.. no one is blameless, but it's not fair to pin it all on Eli.


Save for a few wingnuts, nobody is running around suggesting this is all Eli's fault.

There are a lot of people running around and claiming that we can't expect Eli to perform at all because of the OL.

That's unfair and unrealistic. He left quite a few plays on the field today - coverage sacks where he held the ball too long, the INT, missed throws. He doesn't get a blank check to make these mistakes because of the OL - not at $20/M a year.

He's got to do better. That doesn't mean the OL doesn't have to improve, or the RBs don't have to play better, or that McAdoo's playcalling doesn't have to improve. All of these things have to happen for the O to shape up.

If we're going to sit here and pretend that Eli comes last on that list, and he's exonerated until we have everything else fixed, that's not reality. It doesn't work that way for anyone, let alone Eli.
And for those who might have some long term memory issues...  
jcn56 : 9/19/2017 12:57 am : link
These complaints about Eli have been around for some time - his inconsistency dates back quite a bit. Nothing new for the 2016 or 2017 season.
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arcarsenal : 9/19/2017 1:00 am : link
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In comment 13605542 arcarsenal said:


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The entire offense is a fucking mess. Eli did a few things that hurt us... there was one sack in particular where he was barely touched and just fell to the ground. The throw behind Engram that led to a turnover literally one play after the defense forced one.. held the ball too long on a couple other plays.

But I don't know how any QB in this league is going to succeed when they have no running game whatsoever, when they get poor pass protection.. when their receivers drop key balls.. it's an impossible situation.

Eli hung in there in the 2nd half and took some pretty serious hits. But he knows he can't do that all season - he'll never make it to the end.

There are just so many things wrong with this offense right now.. no one is blameless, but it's not fair to pin it all on Eli.



Save for a few wingnuts, nobody is running around suggesting this is all Eli's fault.

There are a lot of people running around and claiming that we can't expect Eli to perform at all because of the OL.

That's unfair and unrealistic. He left quite a few plays on the field today - coverage sacks where he held the ball too long, the INT, missed throws. He doesn't get a blank check to make these mistakes because of the OL - not at $20/M a year.

He's got to do better. That doesn't mean the OL doesn't have to improve, or the RBs don't have to play better, or that McAdoo's playcalling doesn't have to improve. All of these things have to happen for the O to shape up.

If we're going to sit here and pretend that Eli comes last on that list, and he's exonerated until we have everything else fixed, that's not reality. It doesn't work that way for anyone, let alone Eli.


He's not blameless, I just don't know how any QB who isn't mobile is going to do much of anything in this situation.

He dropped that pass down the sideline right in Marshall's gut... Marshall has to catch that. That's a pivotal play. This offense isn't good enough to overcome mistakes like that.

I'd say a lot of QB's in this league make a few mistakes or bad plays in most given games - but good teams can make up for it. We don't look like a team that can overcome mistakes.
The idea that Eli couldn't hit Engram with a catchable pass  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 9/19/2017 1:01 am : link
or he would've somehow risked an interception makes no sense to me. It was just a poorly thrown pass. People saying Engram should've stopped there don't actually know if that's true unless they have access to the playbook or coach's instructions.
Works that way for Matt Ryan  
WillVAB : 9/19/2017 1:02 am : link
They've spent years and countless picks/FA's to build the perfect situation for him.
That's the point though - he's making more mistakes  
jcn56 : 9/19/2017 1:05 am : link
than the slim margin for error would allow.

Marshall's drop was huge. His INT was worse - the worst possible time, just after a huge momentum boost for the team, after handing Stafford his ass and giving the D the opportunity for a breather. He turned around and made an ill advised throw - if there's no room to throw it there, *don't*.

He's making mistakes an average QB would make. Given what we pay him, and what the rest of our O looks like - we can't win with an average QB. He has to do better, even if that sounds unfair.
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