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arcarsenal : 9/19/2017 1:13 am
They've run the football on consecutive downs two times.

Two.

We did it one time against Dallas and one time tonight.

Countless drives have started with a run play for minimal gain followed by Eli in the shotgun on a predictable pass play where he often gets pressured or sacked resulting in a 3rd in long that we don't convert, a 3 and out, and a punt.

I get that the run game looks like garbage, but there were a few occasions where we've run on first down and gained 3-4 yards and then immediately went right to a pass play that resulted in a sack or incompletion.

I really think this team has to try and commit to the run more. I get it, everyone's tired of seeing a 1st down run for no gain - but that isn't always the case. And even if it is, run the ball again.

These defenses just don't worry about running plays because if we run one that gets stuffed, we immediately abandon it. And then the drive usually ends because Eli gets sacked on the next play or whatever pass play we run doesn't work.

I don't care if it's Perkins, Darkwa, Vereen or even Gallman. We need to at least try to establish some semblance of a run game otherwise absolutely nothing is going to open up in the pass game.

I still think McAdoo is a good HC - but he's got to give up the playcalling. It's bad. OL personnel is still a problem but I just can't get behind the play calls. We can't seem to establish anything at all.
Being committed to the Running Game will only  
Jimmy Googs : 9/19/2017 1:15 am : link
wear out our punter...
I asked that during the game thread  
KentGraham : 9/19/2017 1:17 am : link
That is a truly shocking stat. There have been plenty of times when they have a 2nd and 5 or 6 following a 4-5 yard run. Or even a 2nd and 7, but they NEVER run again. It sets them up for so many 3rd and longs. I knew I wasn't crazy, but I didn't think it was that bad.
I can't believe he's still calling the plays  
jcn56 : 9/19/2017 1:19 am : link
I honestly don't expect Sullivan to be the answer to anything - but at least try for fuck's sake.

As for the running game - IMO, I'm the last guy to play the 'bench XX' game - but Perkins has not looked good at all this season. He did well as a rookie, and seemed to be coming on at the end. Granted, he doesn't have a lot to work with - but he's missed badly on a few of his runs, and Darkwa seems to have run better. Maybe it's time to send a message and give Darkwa more carries, or even go so far as to activate Gallman (not sure if he's ready with protection schemes yet though).
Before I get killed  
KentGraham : 9/19/2017 1:19 am : link
I would like to recant the use of the word "plenty" and replace it with several. Thanks!
Play calling is one thing..  
Modus Operandi : 9/19/2017 1:23 am : link
Then there's gameplanning, adjustments, etc.

How is it possible that the coaching staff spent a long week preparing for this game and didn't devise an adequate protection scheme? Did they think Flowers could neutralize Ansah one vs. one? Based on what?

Why is our PK kicking off to the sidelines? Why are we running down every play clock down to one second? How is it that our offensive guru still can't figure out a way to defeat cover 2 defenses after three seasons?

He may be a good coach but I have reservations. This team just seems so unprepared.
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arcarsenal : 9/19/2017 1:24 am : link
Try it with any RB - I don't even care who.

I agree Perkins has been underwhelming and isn't overcoming ANY poor blocking which a lot of good runners are able to do on occasion.

But just move fucking forward for a couple plays in a row and try to set up a 3rd and short. What did we keep a fullback for if we're not going to utilize having one? We signed a TE who is known for his blocking and can line up in the backfield.

Line up and try to push a pile a few times. We run the ball one time and even if it gains a few yards, we immediately put Eli in the gun and he constantly gets sacked or throws an incompletion. So many drives end this way.

What we're doing obviously isn't working. I don't see how it could hurt to actually make a concerted effort to establish some semblance of a run game.
and enough of the 2nd down delayed handoffs  
SHO'NUFF : 9/19/2017 1:25 am : link
after a 1st down incomplete
Probably a good plan next week  
WillVAB : 9/19/2017 1:27 am : link
Philly has been beat up a little on the ground. Go run heavy and hope a few timely downfield shots get there vs their bad secondary.
It's a lethal combination of Eli, the o-line, and McAdoo.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 9/19/2017 1:31 am : link
On NFL Matchup a few days ago, they showed a couple of plays from the Dallas game in which receivers/open areas to throw were there and Eli just missed them. On the first one, Eli just never looked/saw the open space for a pass to Roger Lewis. On the the second play, Marshall was wide open 8-12 yards away on a crossing pattern, but Eli started to slide away from some pressure, never pulled the trigger, and ended up getting sacked.

McAdoo hasn't exactly covered himself in glory over the last year, but letting someone else call the plays probably won't be some magical elixir either.
That's because the running game sucks  
Vanzetti : 9/19/2017 1:33 am : link
with all due respect. running the ball more is not going to do anything.

also, Giants RB are Smith, Gallman, Darkwa and Perkins--4 nobodies. Their receivers are Odell (all-time great), Marshall (HOF), SS (quality SR) and Engram (first round pick).

You don't spend all those picks on receivers and then come out running the ball.

Plus, Giants were behind most of the first two games, so they had to throw the ball. If they get ahead the run stats will look better.
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arcarsenal : 9/19/2017 1:37 am : link
Tonight we averaged 3.4 YPC - which isn't good. But If you can even just gain 3 yards on 1st and 2nd down and put yourself in a 3rd and 4, all of a sudden, you have a few options. A lot of the shorter passes that this offense utilizes can work there.

3rd and long? Forget it. We can't protect, we often throw some bullshit underneath pass to a RB or slot WR because it's all we have time for and we fall way short of the marker. That's if we're fortunate enough to not see Eli get sacked.

Make defenses think you actually might run the ball on 2nd downs sometimes. Eventually you'll catch a safety cheating or get a linebacker to bite on a PA pass.

It's too easy to play defense against the Giants. Way too easy.
RE: That's because the running game sucks  
arcarsenal : 9/19/2017 1:42 am : link
In comment 13605624 Vanzetti said:
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with all due respect. running the ball more is not going to do anything.

also, Giants RB are Smith, Gallman, Darkwa and Perkins--4 nobodies. Their receivers are Odell (all-time great), Marshall (HOF), SS (quality SR) and Engram (first round pick).

You don't spend all those picks on receivers and then come out running the ball.

Plus, Giants were behind most of the first two games, so they had to throw the ball. If they get ahead the run stats will look better.


Is the passing game any better? Beckham doesn't have his wheels right now so the explosion that makes him a threat to take it to the house any time he touches the rock isn't there right now. Marshall is barely seeing targets and dropped a huge pass tonight.

Engram looks like the goods and Shepard has been solid but our passing game doesn't scare anyone right now.

For the passing game to succeed, we're going to have to make defenses actually consider defending something else. Otherwise teams are just going to keep dropping men into coverage leaving Eli with nowhere to go while they pressure him with 4 men anyway.
What's the difference?  
Matt M. : 9/19/2017 5:48 am : link
If we run it twice and get a 3rd and 3 or 4, we're just going to throw a 2 yard pass anyway.
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BigBlueDownTheShore : 9/19/2017 5:49 am : link
In comment 13605615 arcarsenal said:
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Try it with any RB - I don't even care who.

I agree Perkins has been underwhelming and isn't overcoming ANY poor blocking which a lot of good runners are able to do on occasion.

But just move fucking forward for a couple plays in a row and try to set up a 3rd and short. What did we keep a fullback for if we're not going to utilize having one? We signed a TE who is known for his blocking and can line up in the backfield.

Line up and try to push a pile a few times. We run the ball one time and even if it gains a few yards, we immediately put Eli in the gun and he constantly gets sacked or throws an incompletion. So many drives end this way.

What we're doing obviously isn't working. I don't see how it could hurt to actually make a concerted effort to establish some semblance of a run game.


Ive been saying this since last week. Dallas was weak up front and we didn't even attack them with the running game at all.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/19/2017 6:33 am : link
Doubt McAdoo gives us play calling willingly. He's a stubborn SOB.
Understand in Macs offense  
Dave on the UWS : 9/19/2017 7:15 am : link
the run is just for change of pace. Pass pass and pass some more is what he's about. All short stuff. I think his philosophy sucks doesn't attack any weakness in the defense
Pitiful  
Bluesbreaker : 9/19/2017 9:53 am : link
Is the stable of RB's who have a combined 75 yards rushing in
two games for a paltry 2.9 YPC .
We watch Vernon run over through and around Flowers an entire
practice who is a very good two way player but he is not a sack artist . My nephew big Phins fan said he wasn't a premium pass rusher but a good player .
to let Flowers go one on one with Ansah was such a miss match
He gets a break this week facing Vinny Curry but can't expect much help with Jernigan and Cox in the middle and whomever
goes against Graham ..
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