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The Ray Handley comparisons are ludicrous at this point

Essex : 9/19/2017 8:44 am
Ray Handley was never a coordinator, who was handed a job because our coach quit for health reasons in May. Ray handley never produced an offense that McAdoo did here when he was a coordinator. Ray Handley never went 11-5 and made the playoffs. Now, this is not to say I am happy with McAdoo, I am not. He needs to find a solution to the offensive line and think outside the box; he needs to change parts of his offense because it is simply not working. If he can adjust and do so, great. I hope he looks at the film from the middle of the third quarter on, because the offense became more functional (drops killed us). He needs to clean up the mess, but I am not willing to go anywhere near the Handley comparisons. (As an aside, not that I think any two situations are similar, but it's more like Fassell than Handley--good first season because of defense which was not his speciality, struggled second season).
Agree in principle, but not entirely true.  
jcn56 : 9/19/2017 8:51 am : link
Handley was an OC - although basically taking over an established offense.

What is different was he inherited a team that had just won a SB and still had a great defense.

The loss of two HOF caliber coaches in Belichick and Parcells was just too much to overcome, though, and those guys were getting up in years. Another coach might have wrung a couple of winning seasons out of them, but Handley blew it.

The current coach and Handley are about as comparable as our 0-2 start is to 2007.
It  
PaulN : 9/19/2017 9:00 am : link
Is more then a fair comparison, the 11-5 record had nothing to do with McAdoo, it had everything to do with Reese getting the players that Spags needed to run his defense. McAdoo has shown nothing at all. The players are going to make noise too, mark my words on that, this is going to blow up, just like it did with Handley and McAdoo will blow up also, watch.
Coughlin  
PaulN : 9/19/2017 9:04 am : link
Was still here when McAdoo had success as offensive coordinator. He has not adjusted at all, and is so stupid he let's Flowers play one on one, why did he get Ellison? McAdoo and Reese both need to be fired after this garbage, start over, hopefully we end with 3 wins and can get one of the top QB's, blow this up from a coaching, GM, and starting QB standpoint, Eli is also finished, get what you can for him in a trade, he is not bringing this organization to any championships anymore. This is done.
Eli has a no trade cause.  
Britt in VA : 9/19/2017 9:09 am : link
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The correct comparison  
LauderdaleMatty : 9/19/2017 9:15 am : link
Is that neither was qualified to be a HC.

MCAdoo is a dope and the people here who think he was the main reason for 11-5 are delusional.
RE: Agree in principle, but not entirely true.  
Essex : 9/19/2017 9:22 am : link
In comment 13605888 jcn56 said:
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Handley was an OC - although basically taking over an established offense.

What is different was he inherited a team that had just won a SB and still had a great defense.

The loss of two HOF caliber coaches in Belichick and Parcells was just too much to overcome, though, and those guys were getting up in years. Another coach might have wrung a couple of winning seasons out of them, but Handley blew it.

The current coach and Handley are about as comparable as our 0-2 start is to 2007.


I could be wrong, but my memory was that Ray Handley was the running backs coach in 90, was promoted to OC after the super bowl, but never had a game at that role as he was then promoted to HC after Parcells retired in the Spring (and after Belly left for CLE).
RE: The correct comparison  
Essex : 9/19/2017 9:25 am : link
In comment 13605969 LauderdaleMatty said:
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Is that neither was qualified to be a HC.

MCAdoo is a dope and the people here who think he was the main reason for 11-5 are delusional.


I don't know if that's true, it might be true. We were 11-5 last year and he doesn't have to be the "main reason" we were but he also made a lot of smart decisions to close out close games. Also, early in the season he went for and made a bunch of fourth downs that people were going wild about. So, I am not willing to discount last season. What I am willing to say is that he looks committed to a system that didn't work last year on offense and isn't working this year and has shown no adjustments and that is a major concern.
RE: RE: Agree in principle, but not entirely true.  
jcn56 : 9/19/2017 9:27 am : link
In comment 13605992 Essex said:
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Handley was an OC - although basically taking over an established offense.

What is different was he inherited a team that had just won a SB and still had a great defense.

The loss of two HOF caliber coaches in Belichick and Parcells was just too much to overcome, though, and those guys were getting up in years. Another coach might have wrung a couple of winning seasons out of them, but Handley blew it.

The current coach and Handley are about as comparable as our 0-2 start is to 2007.



I could be wrong, but my memory was that Ray Handley was the running backs coach in 90, was promoted to OC after the super bowl, but never had a game at that role as he was then promoted to HC after Parcells retired in the Spring (and after Belly left for CLE).


Now that you mention it you might be right, I remember them offering the OC spot to Handley to keep him from going back to school, but I think it was after the 90 SB.
Ray Handley  
HoustonGiant : 9/19/2017 9:27 am : link
had far worse hair than Slick Benny.
Hahah  
Essex : 9/19/2017 9:30 am : link
I remember all the signs at the stadium "Ray, I will pay for you to go to law school"
McAdoo was a very deliberate hire  
trueblueinpw : 9/19/2017 10:10 am : link
McAdoo was hired to be OC and there were already whispers that he was being groomed to be the HC. This is worth considering because McAdoo really didn't have particularly solid credentials as a coach. Sure, he was a position coach in the NFL for ten years, so it's not like he was some guy off the street, but he was a gamble. (Sometimes being around the office and being the young aren't the only qualifications you need for success). Anyway, I think the Giants FO and owners thought McAdoo was going to be the next Mike Tomlin. Can't fault them for trying to get a young man on the way up but it looks more and more like they missed on McAdoo bet.
I think the jury is still out - but you can't tell me there aren't  
PatersonPlank : 9/19/2017 10:15 am : link
similarities here. Both took over for legends, both were offensive coaches, both seem very cerebral in their approach, and both seemed overmatched.

Lets not forget that Mac did not take over the same team that Coughlin had. Mac took over the same team plus $200M of defensive studs, big difference. If Mac doesn't turn this around then I agree with the comparison.
You know what name is a bigger joke?  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/19/2017 10:19 am : link
Ereck Flowers.
RE: I think the jury is still out - but you can't tell me there aren't  
Essex : 9/19/2017 10:26 am : link
In comment 13606169 PatersonPlank said:
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similarities here. Both took over for legends, both were offensive coaches, both seem very cerebral in their approach, and both seemed overmatched.

Lets not forget that Mac did not take over the same team that Coughlin had. Mac took over the same team plus $200M of defensive studs, big difference. If Mac doesn't turn this around then I agree with the comparison.

Handley took over for a legend who basically had done nothing here but win (beside his first year and the strike year) and quit. Mcadoo took over for a guy who handing made the playoffs for four straight years, had three double digit loss years in a row, and hadn't made the playoffs for six of seven years. The coach he took over for was fired. I understand Coughlin was a good coach who achieved the ultimate prize twice, and that shouldn't be discounted, but also we can't have revisionist history either. Coughlin was done here and McAdoo made the playoffs his first year with a 11-5 record and has had great difficulty in year 2 in the first two games. I see no valid comparison at the moment. Nothing even close.
He who shall not be named  
RobCarpenter : 9/19/2017 10:28 am : link
Is now named?!?
RE: He who shall not be named  
PatersonPlank : 9/19/2017 10:36 am : link
In comment 13606222 RobCarpenter said:
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Is now named?!?


Yes, its getting that desperate.Maybe its time to bring him back?
RE: RE: The correct comparison  
LauderdaleMatty : 9/19/2017 1:19 pm : link
In comment 13606005 Essex said:
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Is that neither was qualified to be a HC.

MCAdoo is a dope and the people here who think he was the main reason for 11-5 are delusional.



I don't know if that's true, it might be true. We were 11-5 last year and he doesn't have to be the "main reason" we were but he also made a lot of smart decisions to close out close games. Also, early in the season he went for and made a bunch of fourth downs that people were going wild about. So, I am not willing to discount last season. What I am willing to say is that he looks committed to a system that didn't work last year on offense and isn't working this year and has shown no adjustments and that is a major concern.


Looking at other guys available I think he was easily one to the most under qualified. And the Giants thought he was. I don't. Never HC anywhere and only an OC for the Giants. Three step drops and throwing the ball
To OBJ Doesn't make him Bill Walsh to me.

His resume was paper thin as an OC. Head coach? As
For last year. Array Switzerland won a Super Bowl. One year at 11-5 doesn't mean anything to me when the games were pretty much won by the D. Sure he made some good decisikns but since he does nothing at all
On D I'm more I he mind of what a
Lucky bastard he was. Also listening to the things he says leads me to believe in Santeria
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Del Shofner : 9/19/2017 1:24 pm : link
In comment 13606793 LauderdaleMatty said:
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Array Switzerland won a Super Bowl.


First funny thing I've read on BBI today.
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LauderdaleMatty : 9/19/2017 1:45 pm : link
In comment 13606805 Del Shofner said:
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In comment 13606793 LauderdaleMatty said:


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Array Switzerland won a Super Bowl.



First funny thing I've read on BBI today.


Lol. Autocorrect made Barry Switzer an even bigger joke
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