NFT: Knicks Chat: Looking likely Melo stays

with the Giants season quickly going up in flames lol

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it is likely he stays. Doesn't look like the Rockets can find a third team to get the Knicks a positive return.And,if that's the case,I'm okay with it.Perry stepped in when Mills was willing to make a move that didn't give the Knicks enough. Melo may not be the Melo of 5 years ago but is still a valuable commodity to any team looking to make a run. I still don't think this story is over.

in 15 years screwed the Knicks on the way in, screwed them while here and will screw them on the way out. Awesome.

I know it depends on the situation, but if Melo stays with the Knicks, do you expect him to opt out after the season? His option is for 28 million next year.

What could he get on the open market next offseason? 2 years 40 million?

expectation is Wade ends up in Cleveland

-Rumors Lebron, George, Westbrook plan on signing with the Lakers in the off-season

No need to even discuss the top prospects in next year's draft - this is yet another 33-35 win team that will draft ninth or tenth.

In comment 13605980 Keith said:

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in 15 years screwed the Knicks on the way in, screwed them while here and will screw them on the way out. Awesome.

Couldn't agree more. But add this in. Melo is screwing himself
This self proclaimed super star will never win an NBA championship

for bad contracts and/or zero return represents the first sound decision making by the Knicks front office in a long, long time

Nobody expects a contender soon anyway, but at least there's a sign they'll stop running the team like jackasses and letting the rest of the league take advantage of the Knicks perpetual stupidity

Melo bargained for an NTC so he could control his destiny, and now he's exercising that bargained for right. I have a hard time getting mad at him over it. Im also not all that sure he was willing to waive for HOU or anywhere else. I think it's equally plausible that he'll only go where LaLa will go because of his kid.

There is some upside to Melo sticking around. IF Horny is willing to actually coach him and hold him accountable now, I think he'll make the offense work a lot better by shouldering scoring load with KP, and he'll have to D up a little harder to actually play. But Im not holding my breathe that Horny will hold him accountable.

In comment 13606089 mfsd said:

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for bad contracts and/or zero return represents the first sound decision making by the Knicks front office in a long, long time Nobody expects a contender soon anyway, but at least there's a sign they'll stop running the team like jackasses and letting the rest of the league take advantage of the Knicks perpetual stupidity

I agree. So far so good with Perry.

In comment 13606120 Deej said:

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Melo bargained for an NTC so he could control his destiny, and now he's exercising that bargained for right. I have a hard time getting mad at him over it. Im also not all that sure he was willing to waive for HOU or anywhere else. I think it's equally plausible that he'll only go where LaLa will go because of his kid. There is some upside to Melo sticking around. IF Horny is willing to actually coach him and hold him accountable now, I think he'll make the offense work a lot better by shouldering scoring load with KP, and he'll have to D up a little harder to actually play. But Im not holding my breathe that Horny will hold him accountable.

Here's just one of my many problems with Melo
After all his accomplishments of winning NCAA and Olympic championships why wouldn't he want to win an NBA championship Each year he stays with the Knicks he loses another chance for a ring

"The Knicks made $10 million more from their TV deal than the six lowest-earning teams COMBINED."

not to win a ring by any means. Whether it is living in NYC, living near his kid, maximizing pay/endorsements, winning a ring under certain conditions I cant say.

I also think we need to face the facts of the NBA. The Warriors are 4/7 odds to win the 2018 title. That is, your $1 bet on the Warriors earns only 57 cents if you win the bet. They're an incredible 1/50 to win the division. They have 4 guys who would make Team USA AND they have better depth than the other contenders. Title chasing isnt what it was in the past -- this Warriors team is a juggernaut. Moving to Houston doesnt bring him much closer to a title, and if he gets there it is as 3rd or 4th fiddle.

I mean if Melo were ring obsessed he would have said "Please trade me, I'll accept a deal to Houston, San Antonio, Cleveland, GSW" etc. Given the fact he has an opt out he flat out "showed" the ring isn't all he cares about because it's not like he'd be stuck on his new team very long.

I'm ok with keeping him rather than dumping him. I expect that he could get moved during the season. But, I'm not willing to just dump the guy.

need to sit Horny down and tell him to treat Melo like he's one of 15 guys. If he doesnt play defense, sit him. If he doesnt execute the offense, sit him. Tell Melo that the priority isnt to win any winnable game, but rather to develop all 15 players to play the right way. If that means sitting the best talents to hold them accountable, so be it. It's not a punishment or force-out campaign. It's just a new direction where no one is being coddled.

It's worth remembering that 2 years ago was Melo's best distributing season. He wasnt LeBron or Draymond, for sure, but he's capable of moving the ball. Defense Im less confident on -- I just dont see him ever fighting thru screens a lot.

really down on Hornacek right now. He sounds like a total pussy. I'd love to be proven wrong but I don't think he's the guy we need. In fact, I would suggest the fact he is a pushover is part of the reason Phil hired him.

Players A, B, and C are planning on signing with the Lakers. Who was the last big name to sign there? I get they are finally on the upswing if Ball/Ingram pan out, but that isnt a guarantee. I feel like this is at least the 3rd time we have got a Lebron is going to go to LA next offseason. And at least the 2nd time we have got it for Russ. It almost reminds me of the knicks like 5-10 years ago where every year it was Player A is signing in NY this offseason....

is he is going to try and prove everyone wrong and kp is going to still be the 2nd option maybe 3rd behind thjr...

id rather the offense run through thjr and kp and melo be the complimentary guy, but never going to happen...

i was looking forward to thjr and kp 2 man game

He might want to play in the playoffs and be willing to move. If he doesn't then it's fair to say he doesn't care about winning.

In comment 13606010 bceagle05 said:

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No need to even discuss the top prospects in next year's draft - this is yet another 33-35 win team that will draft ninth or tenth.

Vegas has us winning 30.5, 6th worst in the NBA. Not sure how Vegas is factoring in Melo -- I assume they're counting him as a likely Knick. Move us to 35 wins and we become the 7th worst team per Vegas (note that I did not reallocate the 4.5 additional losses the league would take if the Knicks get 4.5 wins better). That may be overly optimistic though -- 35 wins would have gotten you the #11the pick in the last two drafts, due to how bad the NBA's underclass is.

As for the Knicks, Im not convinced this is a 35 win team. I think it's a Melo injury away from being solidly horrible, as I dont think KP is physically or skills ready to be the guy. On the other hand, if KP makes a leap I could see us at 35 wins.

In comment 13606353 DanMetroMan said:

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really down on Hornacek right now. He sounds like a total pussy. I'd love to be proven wrong but I don't think he's the guy we need. In fact, I would suggest the fact he is a pushover is part of the reason Phil hired him.

agree

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-Rumors Lebron, George, Westbrook plan on signing with the Lakers in the off-season

Welp, I'm hard.

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In comment 13605980 Keith said:

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in 15 years screwed the Knicks on the way in, screwed them while here and will screw them on the way out. Awesome.

yup, it's all on him. The team just HAD to give in to every one of his demands! They had a gun to their head!

In comment 13606398 Deej said:

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In comment 13606010 bceagle05 said: Quote: No need to even discuss the top prospects in next year's draft - this is yet another 33-35 win team that will draft ninth or tenth. Vegas has us winning 30.5, 6th worst in the NBA. Not sure how Vegas is factoring in Melo -- I assume they're counting him as a likely Knick. Move us to 35 wins and we become the 7th worst team per Vegas (note that I did not reallocate the 4.5 additional losses the league would take if the Knicks get 4.5 wins better). That may be overly optimistic though -- 35 wins would have gotten you the #11the pick in the last two drafts, due to how bad the NBA's underclass is. As for the Knicks, Im not convinced this is a 35 win team. I think it's a Melo injury away from being solidly horrible, as I dont think KP is physically or skills ready to be the guy. On the other hand, if KP makes a leap I could see us at 35 wins.

what's really going to doom/us (but help draft position) this year is the point guards. It's the worst PG situation in the league right now - and it might be bad enough to offset all of the vets who will actually try most nights. Smartest thing would be to throw Frank into the deep end of the pool and let him take his lumps. One variable is what teams and how many of them go into tank mode this season.

In comment 13606384 nygiants16 said:

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is he is going to try and prove everyone wrong and kp is going to still be the 2nd option maybe 3rd behind thjr... id rather the offense run through thjr and kp and melo be the complimentary guy, but never going to happen... i was looking forward to thjr and kp 2 man game

Couldn't agree with you more. Especially after disagreeing all these years on Melo

Both he and the team are trying to see who cracks first.

In comment 13606821 Enzo said:

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what's really going to doom/us (but help draft position) this year is the point guards. It's the worst PG situation in the league right now - and it might be bad enough to offset all of the vets who will actually try most nights. Smartest thing would be to throw Frank into the deep end of the pool and let him take his lumps. One variable is what teams and how many of them go into tank mode this season.

I think ATL, BK, CHI, DAL, DET, IND, LAL, NYK, ORL, PHX, SAC, and maybe a surprise UTAH will all have a chance to either be in tank mode or bad enough that it doesnt matter what their intent is.

[Yes, Utah won 51 games and defends very well. But without Hayward I just dont know that they can score efficiently. Who replaces his shots? Who replaces Hill's shots? They're already using a league-low pace to disguise the lack of scorers. All the books have them down 10-14 wins. It could get worse.]

in the east. This Knick team might have enough "talent" to win 35 by accident. Hooray!

so-called "talent". Be it a new offense, bad defenders at several spots, or just the young-old-but-not-prime-age nature of the roster, I feel like the Knicks are going to be a bit worse than their straight talent would indicate. I also think that Noah missing the first 12 games is going to be detrimental. Missing the first games will hinder his ability to lead, and lead by example. I dont think anyone wants to hear from a guy who isnt suiting up, especially when it's for a dumb suspension.

In comment 13607426 Deej said:

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so-called "talent". Be it a new offense, bad defenders at several spots, or just the young-old-but-not-prime-age nature of the roster, I feel like the Knicks are going to be a bit worse than their straight talent would indicate. I also think that Noah missing the first 12 games is going to be detrimental. Missing the first games will hinder his ability to lead, and lead by example. I dont think anyone wants to hear from a guy who isnt suiting up, especially when it's for a dumb suspension.

In a totally not "insulting" way KP said as much (in regard to Noah) last season.

Namely:

1)Any time he tries to dominate the offense, he gets benched. Whatever this season is about, it isn't about Melo proving he is better than his ranking. Unless he wants to prove it by passing, rebounding and more than pretending to play defense.

2) Melo gets to stay well rested as young players get part of his playing time, even if that reduces the number of wins.

In comment 13607505 manh george said:

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Namely: 1)Any time he tries to dominate the offense, he gets benched. Whatever this season is about, it isn't about Melo proving he is better than his ranking. Unless he wants to prove it by passing, rebounding and more than pretending to play defense.

There's only one coach in the NBA who would meet this standard. What you're describing doesn't happen.