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An Entire New OL Next Year?

Reb8thVA : 9/19/2017 9:46 am
This team is looking at the possibility of having to bring in an entire new OL next year, given expiring contracts and poor play. I know everyone will say "good" and that the Vikings have done it this year, but how realistic is it?

First, we probably won't have much cap space and the FA market for OL again looks pretty weak.

Can you bring in 2-3 linemen in the draft and expect them to start? We also need to draft a RB fairly high. Can the current talent management structure be entrusted to identify OL talent? I think the answer is a resounding no.

These are some of the consequences of not sufficiently addressing the OL over the last 2 years.

This is a fairly daunting mess to fix
How about a new offense?  
Rflairr : 9/19/2017 9:48 am : link
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I would resign Pugh  
NYG007 : 9/19/2017 10:00 am : link
but not at 8-10m per. If he wants that, let him walk. Spent the first 4 picks on tackles and guards
I don't know how realistic that is  
Dinger : 9/19/2017 10:07 am : link
I think there is a little talent there in Pugh and Richburg. But one issue I have with your post is that they 'addressed' it the last two years. They did not address it AT ALL this past off season after everyone who follows football knew our line suckd last year. And going beyond last year, they drafted two tackles in the first round and a 2nd round center. You'd think that this would translate into at least having HALF a decent line, but our first tackle was only good enough to start at guard and our second 1st round tackle seems barely to be good enough as a backup.

You are absolutley correct that they will HAVE to address it this off season. Whether they will have the cap room to pick up a free agent or the ability to properly assess the upcoming draft class is as big a guess as any.
RE: I would resign Pugh  
AcidTest : 9/19/2017 10:08 am : link
In comment 13606121 NYG007 said:
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but not at 8-10m per. If he wants that, let him walk. Spent the first 4 picks on tackles and guards


That's probably what he'll want after seeing what the guards got this year in FA. He can also play tackle, which adds to his value.
I'd keep  
ryanmkeane : 9/19/2017 10:08 am : link
Richburg and Pugh. Everything else up for change.
The line needs to be blown up. When things don't work you change them,  
PatersonPlank : 9/19/2017 10:09 am : link
you don't live with them. Pugh-Flowers-RB-Jerry-Wheeler/Hart/or a FA
The biggest problem is the ability to draft OL talent  
jcn56 : 9/19/2017 10:10 am : link
I don't know what's been going wrong with the way they draft OL - but whatever it is, they need to fix it, and fast.

Pugh and Richburg are likely to both command huge paydays due to the dearth of available FA talent. Can't pay both, and honestly, though I'd rather pay Pugh given his durability issues I'm not sure I'd give him market rate.

That leaves you replacement parts on the OL and a weak FA market and draft to correct the situation, not ideal before you get to the struggles in drafting.

I don't think this OL is quite as bad as it seems - I think the offensive scheme and Eli's style of play have both made it seem worse than it actually is, but if those don't change either, we have a recipe for disaster.
as much as a loathe saying this  
Giantsfan79 : 9/19/2017 10:10 am : link
if the Giants don't at least try Flowers at right tackle before moving on, the front office and coaching staff should all be fired.
RE: I would resign Pugh  
TyreeHelmet : 9/19/2017 10:14 am : link
In comment 13606121 NYG007 said:
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but not at 8-10m per. If he wants that, let him walk. Spent the first 4 picks on tackles and guards


I'm not overpaying Pugh.
RE: as much as a loathe saying this  
giants#1 : 9/19/2017 10:16 am : link
In comment 13606150 Giantsfan79 said:
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if the Giants don't at least try Flowers at right tackle before moving on, the front office and coaching staff should all be fired.


Don't worry, he's pretty much guaranteed to at least make it to training camp next year.
Apparently,  
Doomster : 9/19/2017 10:21 am : link
I don't think this OL is quite as bad as it seems - I think the offensive scheme and Eli's style of play have both made it seem worse than it actually is, but if those don't change either, we have a recipe for disaster.

you agree with the front office on this one....the OL just has to play better...it's as simple as that.....make it so!
RE: as much as a loathe saying this  
Rjanyg : 9/19/2017 10:24 am : link
In comment 13606150 Giantsfan79 said:
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if the Giants don't at least try Flowers at right tackle before moving on, the front office and coaching staff should all be fired.


Agreed. I would also think he should try RG. He is a good run blocker, something we need on the right side. The reason they didn't move him this year is because he was drafted 9th overall and I assume Reese has some say. Hearing how young Flowers is and how hard he worked in the offseason was the defense for not worrying about his progress.
I would think you have to do something with LT next year  
Rjanyg : 9/19/2017 10:29 am : link
Maybe Wheeler and a draft pick fight it out next year. Move Flowers to the right side, re-sign Pugh and keep him at LG or move to one of the tackle spots, Probably RT.

Last off season I was hoping for a new RG ( Leary, Warford, Zietler, Lang ) and was hoping they would take a LT in the 1st or 2nd round. They signed Fluker, who couldn't win a starting spot over Jerry ( which is insane IMO ) and drafted Bisnowaty who we moved up in the 6th round for then cut and re-signed to the PS.

Not enough was done to keep Eli upright, that is on Reese and nobody else.

The lack of development of Flowers and the rest of the line is on McAdoo and Solari.

Somebody has to take the blame.
the OL needs a makeover like the DL had  
Heisenberg : 9/19/2017 10:30 am : link
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As long as it's not Reese putting it together.  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/19/2017 10:31 am : link
He's proven over the past 5-6 years that he is completely incapable f=of putting together even just a decent line.
Pugh is the only real keeper at his current position  
Ivan15 : 9/19/2017 10:44 am : link
Richburg is too light. Because he is physically gifted, he needs to be tried at RT. Hart might be okay at RG.
RE: The line needs to be blown up. When things don't work you change them,  
gmenatlarge : 9/19/2017 12:14 pm : link
In comment 13606143 PatersonPlank said:
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you don't live with them. Pugh-Flowers-RB-Jerry-Wheeler/Hart/or a FA


When things don't work you change it, absolutely right, McAdoo HAS to do something but I doubt he does. This is the guy last year who said they just need more reps...
The Vikings  
CromartiesKid21 : 9/19/2017 12:51 pm : link
brought in 5 new starters on the OL...they seem to be doing fine
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