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Worst play (design) of the game/ever

Justlurking : 9/19/2017 10:57 am
I still cant get over the "reverse" to shepard on the short side of the field that went in the same exact direction as the RB. How is it a misdirection play when you have the guy with the ball going in the same exact direction as the fake? All you are doing is giving the defense a head start.

Probably the most destined to fail play i have ever seen. Just awful design.
We've also  
McNally's_Nuts : 9/19/2017 11:01 am : link
run that play 3 times in 2 games.

Let that sink in.
What else do you want to run?  
AnishPatel : 9/19/2017 11:03 am : link
We can't run the ball.. We can't pass protect on deeper passing concepts, such as 5 or 7 step passing concepts. We can't even pass protect on 3 step passing concepts. So what play would you like to call?
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Banks : 9/19/2017 11:06 am : link
the annexation of puerto rico
RE: What else do you want to run?  
Justlurking : 9/19/2017 11:06 am : link
In comment 13606358 AnishPatel said:
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We can't run the ball.. We can't pass protect on deeper passing concepts, such as 5 or 7 step passing concepts. We can't even pass protect on 3 step passing concepts. So what play would you like to call?


I'd rather run into the line rather than lose 7 yards but hey thats just me.
I'd rather not do either, but that's just me.  
AnishPatel : 9/19/2017 11:13 am : link
Both options will do nothing for us. And don't worry we ran into the line as well and did nothing. So in the end the result was the same, and we still had to punt.

Point is we are limited with what we can do. It's hard to gameplan during the week, and call plays knowing you can't pass block and run block.
RE: I'd rather not do either, but that's just me.  
jvm52106 : 9/19/2017 11:15 am : link
In comment 13606382 AnishPatel said:
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Both options will do nothing for us. And don't worry we ran into the line as well and did nothing. So in the end the result was the same, and we still had to punt.

Point is we are limited with what we can do. It's hard to gameplan during the week, and call plays knowing you can't pass block and run block.


See this is wrong thinking. A run into the line is a no gain or short loss. You lose 7 yards, with this offense and you might as well punt. Though we screwed that up last night too.
RE: I'd rather not do either, but that's just me.  
Justlurking : 9/19/2017 11:15 am : link
In comment 13606382 AnishPatel said:
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Both options will do nothing for us. And don't worry we ran into the line as well and did nothing. So in the end the result was the same, and we still had to punt.

Point is we are limited with what we can do. It's hard to gameplan during the week, and call plays knowing you can't pass block and run block.


So why are you running a play that gives the defense a head start? Wouldnt actual misdirection make more sense? Why would you give the defense a head start to get in front of the runner?
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annexOPR : 9/19/2017 11:32 am : link
In comment 13606365 Banks said:
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the annexation of puerto rico


You rang?

It just might work ... maybe wildcat with Odell at QB?
RE: What else do you want to run?  
DonQuixote : 9/19/2017 1:06 pm : link
In comment 13606358 AnishPatel said:
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We can't run the ball.. We can't pass protect on deeper passing concepts, such as 5 or 7 step passing concepts. We can't even pass protect on 3 step passing concepts. So what play would you like to call?


I think the OP was saying that the problem is not with the Giants running a reverse, it is the design of the play. I heard the OP saying that when you run a reverse, you run the ball in the opposite direction of where the back is expected to go, hence the term "reverse". If you run it in the same direction, then it kind of defeats the purpose. Makes sense, it does sound kind of stupid.
RE: I'd rather not do either, but that's just me.  
Now Mike in MD : 9/19/2017 1:10 pm : link
In comment 13606382 AnishPatel said:
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Both options will do nothing for us. And don't worry we ran into the line as well and did nothing. So in the end the result was the same, and we still had to punt.

Point is we are limited with what we can do. It's hard to gameplan during the week, and call plays knowing you can't pass block and run block.


I'm at a loss as to how our running game is so bad. How can we not get 5 yards against 3 or 4 DL and the LBs and safeties paying so deep? It's almost impossible
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AnishPatel : 9/19/2017 1:11 pm : link
In comment 13606756 DonQuixote said:
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In comment 13606358 AnishPatel said:


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We can't run the ball.. We can't pass protect on deeper passing concepts, such as 5 or 7 step passing concepts. We can't even pass protect on 3 step passing concepts. So what play would you like to call?



I think the OP was saying that the problem is not with the Giants running a reverse, it is the design of the play. I heard the OP saying that when you run a reverse, you run the ball in the opposite direction of where the back is expected to go, hence the term "reverse". If you run it in the same direction, then it kind of defeats the purpose. Makes sense, it does sound kind of stupid.


Yes, but the defense knows it too. You don't think there was a sense of let's try whatever to get this offense going? I can imagine a 2nd year HC getting booed at home on national Tv was thinking let's try something to get this offense going. Moreover, what did the guys upstairs tell him? Did they see something regarding the formation of the defense that dictated them to let Ben M. to run that play?

These are the things that go on that fans are privy too. It isn't as cut and dry as calling a play for the sake of it.
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Justlurking : 9/19/2017 3:06 pm : link
In comment 13606756 DonQuixote said:
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In comment 13606358 AnishPatel said:


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We can't run the ball.. We can't pass protect on deeper passing concepts, such as 5 or 7 step passing concepts. We can't even pass protect on 3 step passing concepts. So what play would you like to call?



I think the OP was saying that the problem is not with the Giants running a reverse, it is the design of the play. I heard the OP saying that when you run a reverse, you run the ball in the opposite direction of where the back is expected to go, hence the term "reverse". If you run it in the same direction, then it kind of defeats the purpose. Makes sense, it does sound kind of stupid.


Exactly. Running a reverse is fine. Trying to get cute and run a fake reverse where the receiver goes the same way as the back makes no sense. Just run a double reverse if you think you have that play set up. That way there is some misdirection.
RE: What else do you want to run?  
schabadoo : 9/19/2017 3:21 pm : link
In comment 13606358 AnishPatel said:
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We can't run the ball.. We can't pass protect on deeper passing concepts, such as 5 or 7 step passing concepts. We can't even pass protect on 3 step passing concepts. So what play would you like to call?


Normally, when you can't hold off a rush, you slow it down with screen passes.

The last time a Giants team was effective at running screens was.....?
worse play selection ever as a giants fan  
idiotsavant : 9/19/2017 3:30 pm : link
After the D heroically (and, given the way the game was going this is exactly the type of heroics that we pay for, those 'tide reversing moments' ala #56 of old, this was exactly one of those).

Our O got the ball and I was saying 'run it, run it, run it':

(that is where you want to

1- calm down and take control of the game,

2. the game clock,

3. even a field goal here can be considered a 10pt swing, as the fumble sack recovery probably prevented a lions score, in addition,

4. given the state of our OL, any pass becomes an injury or INT risk, which lack of pass pro is cured by

5. successful runs by the way)

in addition, a low % possession maintenance play design
typo  
idiotsavant : 9/19/2017 3:32 pm : link
'after the sack fumble recovery by our DL'
well, if its an interior pass rush you cannot hold off  
idiotsavant : 9/19/2017 3:35 pm : link
you cure that by running outside zone.

if its wide 9 pass rush, you run from under center zip quick up the gut.

if its a blitz, you run the opposite way, as lions dud last night.

if these are not in the playbook and practiced, you loose.

its as if we lost "book 4 out of 4" i.e. 25% of the typical football playbook at someones house party and forgot to go back and get it.
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