"Eli will not last much longer behind this O-Line. Eli is good enough to win. He is not the problem. He cannot continue behind this O-Line"
His point was this is a fork in the road for Ben. Said we will see if Ben is a flexible coach or if he is so married to a system that he cannot change his game plan even though it is not functioning with this O-line. Said its obvious the guys playing will be the guys playing. Ben needs to scheme around it.
Eli makes mistakes because of the OL and the pressure. The key point here is that Eli makes mistakes. If he didn't make mistakes, he wouldn't be part of the problem.
You can argue that, hey, who the hell could possibly work under that kind of pressure? It's a valid argument, but that's not the point. The point is that Eli gets paid top tier QB money to make plays, and that includes making plays when there is little to no pressure and occasional plays when there is pressure.
Exactly. The line doesn't just have 1 weak spot, its the entire unit. They can zero push off the ball. They struggle against bull rushes and speed rushers. They simply aren't any good.
Rewatching Eagles-Chiefs. If the Giants can't scheme up ways to help their OTs vs this Philly pass rush, pray for Eli.
Rewatching Eagles-Chiefs. If the Giants can't scheme up ways to help their OTs vs this Philly pass rush, pray for Eli.
I'm lighting a candle for him now.
Rewatching Eagles-Chiefs. If the Giants can't scheme up ways to help their OTs vs this Philly pass rush, pray for Eli.
absolutely. I'm sorry but they need to be in max protect most of the game Sunday. It will hurt downfield chances but thats the only choice we have at this point.
Quote:
Mike Garafolo @MikeGarafolo · 34m .
Rewatching Eagles-Chiefs. If the Giants can't scheme up ways to help their OTs vs this Philly pass rush, pray for Eli.
absolutely. I'm sorry but they need to be in max protect most of the game Sunday. It will hurt downfield chances but thats the only choice we have at this point.
Thankfully the Eagles CB's are comparable to our OL...
Oh, and to the comment above ALL Qb's make mistake when under duress. Brady in week one, Rogers yesterday, etc., etc. Its not an Eli thing.
Eli makes mistakes because of the OL and the pressure. The key point here is that Eli makes mistakes. If he didn't make mistakes, he wouldn't be part of the problem.
You can argue that, hey, who the hell could possibly work under that kind of pressure? It's a valid argument, but that's not the point. The point is that Eli gets paid top tier QB money to make plays, and that includes making plays when there is little to no pressure and occasional plays when there is pressure.
Good point. Greg Robinson was abused last night by Vernon but Stafford was able to extend plays and avoid sacks.
Pretty sure this is what Reese/Ben (and a lot of posters) believe he should be doing just that.
Been a crime what he has had to play behind these last few years.
Eli makes mistakes because of the OL and the pressure. The key point here is that Eli makes mistakes. If he didn't make mistakes, he wouldn't be part of the problem.
You can argue that, hey, who the hell could possibly work under that kind of pressure? It's a valid argument, but that's not the point. The point is that Eli gets paid top tier QB money to make plays, and that includes making plays when there is little to no pressure and occasional plays when there is pressure.
When there was a play to be made last night, Eli overwhelmingly put the team in position to make those plays. When there was not a play to be made, Eli still founds was to put the team in position to succeed (ex. Shepard completion under duress). If you can provide clear examples of plays that Eli left on the field last night, I'd be happy to review them.
By the way, Eli Manning's average salary is tied for 10th for NFL quarterbacks. While above average, this is not prohibitive or "top-tier" money that should lead to unreasonable expectations of perfection.
if ben is in the technique/communication improvement camp... we are doomed... stubborn wont work.
if he is flexible and adapts to the personnel more... we have the talent to be fine.
we have 3 fking TEs are are solid, solid, and potentially excellent.
Chip with the fcking RBs... run more 2 TE sets and be diverse with them.... dont do stupid 5 step drop on 2nd and 10+.... and the offense will be fine. Maybe move a better run blocking to RG so that we can move some bodies there...
but really its so fkcing obvious--- and it doesnt crush the team and limit us that much if he gets his head out of his ass.
Quote:
Eli makes mistakes because of the OL and the pressure. The key point here is that Eli makes mistakes. If he didn't make mistakes, he wouldn't be part of the problem.
You can argue that, hey, who the hell could possibly work under that kind of pressure? It's a valid argument, but that's not the point. The point is that Eli gets paid top tier QB money to make plays, and that includes making plays when there is little to no pressure and occasional plays when there is pressure.
You keep making these statements as if they are unassailable. Your rhetorical argument is exactly one of the critical points- no quarterback could possibly work under this kind of pressure, regardless of their paycheck.
When there was a play to be made last night, Eli overwhelmingly put the team in position to make those plays. When there was not a play to be made, Eli still founds was to put the team in position to succeed (ex. Shepard completion under duress). If you can provide clear examples of plays that Eli left on the field last night, I'd be happy to review them.
By the way, Eli Manning's average salary is tied for 10th for NFL quarterbacks. While above average, this is not prohibitive or "top-tier" money that should lead to unreasonable expectations of perfection.
Dude, I don't know what your problem is, but your argument is indefensible. Are you really, actually telling me that Eli doesn't make mistakes? What about the pass behind Engram last night? Mistake, or are you one of those who things that Engram should have turned into plastic man and reached behind him with both hands and caught the ball?
I'm sorry, man, but for you to sit there and say "Eli is perfect! Fuck everyone who says otherwise!" makes you look like a complete idiot.
Quote:
In comment 13606400 NorwoodWideRight said:
Quote:
Eli makes mistakes because of the OL and the pressure. The key point here is that Eli makes mistakes. If he didn't make mistakes, he wouldn't be part of the problem.
You can argue that, hey, who the hell could possibly work under that kind of pressure? It's a valid argument, but that's not the point. The point is that Eli gets paid top tier QB money to make plays, and that includes making plays when there is little to no pressure and occasional plays when there is pressure.
You keep making these statements as if they are unassailable. Your rhetorical argument is exactly one of the critical points- no quarterback could possibly work under this kind of pressure, regardless of their paycheck.
When there was a play to be made last night, Eli overwhelmingly put the team in position to make those plays. When there was not a play to be made, Eli still founds was to put the team in position to succeed (ex. Shepard completion under duress). If you can provide clear examples of plays that Eli left on the field last night, I'd be happy to review them.
By the way, Eli Manning's average salary is tied for 10th for NFL quarterbacks. While above average, this is not prohibitive or "top-tier" money that should lead to unreasonable expectations of perfection.
Dude, I don't know what your problem is, but your argument is indefensible. Are you really, actually telling me that Eli doesn't make mistakes? What about the pass behind Engram last night? Mistake, or are you one of those who things that Engram should have turned into plastic man and reached behind him with both hands and caught the ball?
I'm sorry, man, but for you to sit there and say "Eli is perfect! Fuck everyone who says otherwise!" makes you look like a complete idiot.
My point is that Unitas in his prime made mistakes and by holding any quarterback to such an unreasonably standard of playing perfect football in order for them not to be considered part of the problem is lunacy, in my opinion. Tom Brady couldn't operate in Week 1, Aaron Rodgers has struggled this season. Are they part of any problem on their respective teams?
I'm not an apologist- I'm a realist. I watch a good portion of most NFL games and see that the quarterbacking that we get from Eli Manning, within the context of his environment, is pretty damned good compared to the alternatives. I don't see Eli as part of the problem. I see Manning as one of the few solutions on a team that needs many more of them..
Don't fall for this trap. We have seen this movie before.
2013. Giants at 0-2 at Carolina. Both of their starting CB's and another secondary player was out.
Time to throw the ball right?
Nope. 7 sacks. 6 in first half. Couldn't run the ball. Couldn't protect Eli. Couldn't do anything.
38-0 the final. Season over.
Right now, we appear to be headed to a similar path Sunday down there.
I'm not wasting my time arguing this point any further. With the exception of some really blind fanboys, EVERYONE agrees that Eli must shoulder some responsibility for his foibles. And, as the second highest paid QB at the time his contract was drawn up, yes, I fucking expect him to rise above players like Stafford at least some of the time.
Exactly and the guy drove him into the ground, how is that not roughing? Yet they call a stupid taunting penalty, didn't miss that.
Definitely agree, the Vikings changed their WHOLE line in the offseason, we didn't even add a decent player! (someone else's castoffs don't count.)
Quote:
In comment 13606400 NorwoodWideRight said:
Quote:
Eli makes mistakes because of the OL and the pressure. The key point here is that Eli makes mistakes. If he didn't make mistakes, he wouldn't be part of the problem.
You can argue that, hey, who the hell could possibly work under that kind of pressure? It's a valid argument, but that's not the point. The point is that Eli gets paid top tier QB money to make plays, and that includes making plays when there is little to no pressure and occasional plays when there is pressure.
You keep making these statements as if they are unassailable. Your rhetorical argument is exactly one of the critical points- no quarterback could possibly work under this kind of pressure, regardless of their paycheck.
When there was a play to be made last night, Eli overwhelmingly put the team in position to make those plays. When there was not a play to be made, Eli still founds was to put the team in position to succeed (ex. Shepard completion under duress). If you can provide clear examples of plays that Eli left on the field last night, I'd be happy to review them.
By the way, Eli Manning's average salary is tied for 10th for NFL quarterbacks. While above average, this is not prohibitive or "top-tier" money that should lead to unreasonable expectations of perfection.
Dude, I don't know what your problem is, but your argument is indefensible. Are you really, actually telling me that Eli doesn't make mistakes? What about the pass behind Engram last night? Mistake, or are you one of those who things that Engram should have turned into plastic man and reached behind him with both hands and caught the ball?
I'm sorry, man, but for you to sit there and say "Eli is perfect! Fuck everyone who says otherwise!" makes you look like a complete idiot.
Your notion that he has to be perfect is equally as dumb.
I'm not wasting my time arguing this point any further. With the exception of some really blind fanboys, EVERYONE agrees that Eli must shoulder some responsibility for his foibles. And, as the second highest paid QB at the time his contract was drawn up, yes, I fucking expect him to rise above players like Stafford at least some of the time.
This is the problem. The Eli detractors say that the Eli defenders think he is perfect and blameless. Most of the Eli defenders know that he is not blameless in all of this and could probably be playing better. That is not the argument. The argument is that he could be playing light years better if he had any semblance of blocking in front of him and that no other QB can succeed with this kind of blocking and ZERO running game.
Eli makes mistakes because of the OL and the pressure. The key point here is that Eli makes mistakes. If he didn't make mistakes, he wouldn't be part of the problem.
You can argue that, hey, who the hell could possibly work under that kind of pressure? It's a valid argument, but that's not the point. The point is that Eli gets paid top tier QB money to make plays, and that includes making plays when there is little to no pressure and occasional plays when there is pressure.
banks has to take company line in that he can't say Eli is PART of the problem and is a good qb at this stage of career. have to turn a blind eye to it to stay employed
Quote:
Eli is good enough to win, obviously. And he won't last behind this OL. He can't play behind this OL. But to say he's not the problem (as in, at least part of the problem) is wrong.
Eli makes mistakes because of the OL and the pressure. The key point here is that Eli makes mistakes. If he didn't make mistakes, he wouldn't be part of the problem.
You can argue that, hey, who the hell could possibly work under that kind of pressure? It's a valid argument, but that's not the point. The point is that Eli gets paid top tier QB money to make plays, and that includes making plays when there is little to no pressure and occasional plays when there is pressure.
banks has to take company line in that he can't say Eli is PART of the problem and is a good qb at this stage of career. have to turn a blind eye to it to stay employed
Oh, is that right? That's the company line? I guess nobody told McAdoo since he continually criticizes Eli while seemingly absolving the O-line. Banks is scared of losing his job but McAdoo is not, I guess.
Definitely agree, the Vikings changed their WHOLE line in the offseason, we didn't even add a decent player! (someone else's castoffs don't count.)
To be fair, they had a LOT more salary cap space than we did. Heck, 2 of their 3 most expensive players left in free agency.
Agreed. I would also start the game in the "hurry up offense". Have to pick up the tempo, keep the defense from substituting so much and get those "d" lineman tired out.
Eli was the best Giants offensive player in the GB playoff game last year................. By a wide margin.
2) What time is on he on each week?
Thanks.
He was hit 8 times with 5 sacks during that game and our run game was absolute zero. I'm not sure what else he could have done. I am going to be amazed if he continues his iron man streak this season. EF is going to get him permanently injured.
Eli has always made some mistakes - but I see other QBs doing the same. What I appreciated was he had us driving and threw a perfect ball to Marshall who promptly dropped it. He layed another one on Engram (who got nailed) - but our receivers are going to have to make those catches when they can.