I keep looking at what is going on disbelief - because I think there is some real talent on this offense. The biggest thing that I keep coming to is that even with the scheme changes from last year -- going more from 95% 11 personnel to more 12, 13 and 22 personnel
a) the zone blocking seems inadequate to the personnel and,
b) the defenses we've faced have not done anything unusual to beat the Giants scheme
if anything it seems to be more of the steady diet that they saw last year against the primarily 11 personnel scheme
So I begin to question now whether the zone blocking scheme the Giants are implementing actually fits the personnel packages
At first blush the line personnel seems to be implementing the zone blocking scheme - and taking their first steps properly - this includes the Olinemen -- but 1 or 2 beats into it -- aspects of it seem to be disrupted routinely, except for the few occasions the RB is left into block - or a running play is being implemented, the TEs and RBs, in general, seem to be releasing and not blocking/chipping all that much -- I have noticed a lot of players look back at a player rushing by them as if they are either surprised that that is happening or second guessing what they have done
On running plays when they flood to their zones - there nearly always seems to be a missed assignment or player that can either run behind the scheme or clog up the works
It's maddening to watch - kinda like tripping on a crack everytime you set out to take a walk or a run - any thoughts about this out there?
How he can watch this OL and defend them is beyond me. He needs to adjust his game plan right now before he loses his players.
Coach our OL can't run block or pass block. What formations and passing concepts should we install for this week? We can't run the ball. We can't pass protect on 3, 5 or 7 step passing concepts. So besides moving the pocket and launch point for Eli on every passing play, what else can we do?
That isn't to say that the scheme is blameless, far from it. I have zero issue with running a WCO, and I disagree with those who say Eli is a bad fit for it. But McAdoo's scheme is too simplistic. For example, he runs almost zero motion, which is baffling to me, and when he does, it's usually moving a wide-out closer to the same side of the formation.
Running motion accomplishes a number of things - it allows WR's a freer release off the LOS, it forces the defense to declare itself earlier, and it allows offenses to move TE's to the edge rush side to help out the OT. I can't think of a team that runs less motion than the Giants.
Everyone wants McAdoo to make changes. Change to what? Changing the blocking schemes are not going to miraculously make Ereck Flowers into an NFL LT, John Jerry into a force in the run game, or Bobby Hart able to block a DE. None of these guys would be starting on an NFL team with any sort of talent up front.
Now, that being said, we might try to max protect more, or throw some screens, but all of that is something that opposing defenses will catch on to.
The bottom line is this. This offense will continue like this all season until it sees a significant upgrade in talent up front. Everyone in the league knows our line is atrocious, and they will continue to stuff the run while playing with a weak box. Hell, we couldn't even run last night against a 5 man front. One fucking linebacker in the box and it got stuffed for a 1 yard gain.
And to that comment, BBI assured the doubters that Rhett would be attached to Ereck's hip to lend help. Rhett was a cheaper option than FA OL, and it would allow Ereck to gain confidence with the help provided. Yet, all we see is Ereck on an island.
That is fundamental football, and something the front office has forgotten.....
In 2011, this was not a good OL, but Eli Manning had one of those magical seasons, where he could overcome it....that Eli no longer exists....he had the pocket presence that year to side step rushes and be able to accurately throw on the run....he is not that guy anymore....this OL has "David Carr-ed" him....he basically is throwing passes away by hitting his check down receivers, who he knows are short of the first down, but who he hopes will somehow make a play.....he is becoming inconsistently accurate(great long thrwos to Marshall and Double e, but two bad throws to Double E)....he is going down too easy as evidenced by the "phantom sack" where Flowers was beat, and the DE barely touched him, and he went down thinking he was about to be hit....that play where he escaped from the clutches of the Patriot DL, and threw to Tyree is a distant memory now....
The only hope, is to shuffle the OL, because the status quo is not working....but even doing that will have it's growing pains, so it's possibly be too late for that, too.
I was Redskins and Victor Cruz wasn't on that 2007 team....so.........?????
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have the T-shirt. In 2007, Giants lost games 1 and 2, and for 3 were headed into Philly to play the Eagles. I remember reading the game preview ceding the game to the Eagles, and tagging the season as totally lost. Giants wouldn't let Victor Cruz on the field. Then as now, there were issues with getting the team sharpened up and playing together as a unit. Complaints about individuals, complaints about coaching. Back then I had an old lawnmower, a few pulls, and a missing, backfiring sputter. A few more, then a run or two of engine firing, but still missing. Then, finally, a consistent powerful roar, and the lawn was soon mowed. The Dallas game was a backfiring sputter. Detroit, the Giants showed some power, but missed, goofed, and fell short. But they, and Eli, did start to get closer to putting it together. I expect that the G-men, will put it together, and mow Philly's lawn this week. Don't give up folks.
I was Redskins and Victor Cruz wasn't on that 2007 team....so.........?????
So was it over when the germans bombed Pearl harbor????
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have the T-shirt. In 2007, Giants lost games 1 and 2, and for 3 were headed into Philly to play the Eagles. I remember reading the game preview ceding the game to the Eagles, and tagging the season as totally lost. Giants wouldn't let Victor Cruz on the field. Then as now, there were issues with getting the team sharpened up and playing together as a unit. Complaints about individuals, complaints about coaching. Back then I had an old lawnmower, a few pulls, and a missing, backfiring sputter. A few more, then a run or two of engine firing, but still missing. Then, finally, a consistent powerful roar, and the lawn was soon mowed. The Dallas game was a backfiring sputter. Detroit, the Giants showed some power, but missed, goofed, and fell short. But they, and Eli, did start to get closer to putting it together. I expect that the G-men, will put it together, and mow Philly's lawn this week. Don't give up folks.
I was Redskins and Victor Cruz wasn't on that 2007 team....so.........?????
Let him go! He's on a roll!
It's scheme. Yes, the OL sucks, but this team's offense should not be producing at a late-1970s level.
It's scheme. Yes, the OL sucks, but this team's offense should not be producing at a late-1970s level.
If Belichick is here, he's picking the groceries. And if thats the case, he doesn't walk into a season with a line that gets his pocket qb killed.