A swing and a miss for Reese with the 9th overall pick. Reese also needed to address the possibility that Flowers wouldn't improve and have a plan B based on last year. Little was done. How do you explain that? He's absolutely lost on OL development.
Mac. He had to give his assessment and evaluation of Flowers heading into the season from last year. Flowers is a turnstile and commits costly penalties. What did he see that gave him any comfort level going in?
Eli. What can he do? The defense rushes 4 and have 7 in coverage against 3 WR's. He's STILL hurried and is forced to throw a check down on 3rd and whatever. Progression of reads with no time to throw into that coverage is brutal. The defense isn't forced to adjust and we're sitting ducks on every level.
The rest of the O line is below average. Flowers tho, is a joke. I know there's blame to go around and injuries. However, Flowers is so bad that the rest of the offense suffers.
Back to my original point. It will cost jobs unless Reese or Mac can explain that decision going into the season.
I truly believe and I'm saying this as one of his supporters is that Reese has been determined to turn Flowers into a LT.
I'd have Pugh at LT, Jones at LG, Richburg at C, Fluker at RG, and Flowers at RT
But I'm not......
I also think Jones at center and Flowers at G with Wheeler at RT is worth a try also.
I truly believe and I'm saying this as one of his supporters is that Reese has been determined to turn Flowers into a LT.
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Where's the accountability? And for people who're perfectly willing to criticize Eli and Odell in public, why the kid gloves?
I don't see him at RT being any better. His hand usage and balance would be an equally poor fit for the right side.
I see he and Bobby Hart as G's. Keep Wheeler progressing in the strength program, and get him ready.
Long term LT Pugh Richburgh Flowers Wheeler. Uggghhh crap. Still looks like crap.
How is that any different from Reese thinking Flowers can be a LT?
How is that any different from Reese thinking Flowers can be a LT?
I agree with Wheelers potential. His issues are different than Flowers. He already has the technique and feet quickness, which Flowers never had but we thought he could develop. Wheeler just needs more strength and experience.
If he was steam rolling people in college and looked like a an all pro then fine. However, he did not do a bait and switch on us.
I have to blame the guy who was shopping for the groceries.
If he was steam rolling people in college and looked like a an all pro then fine. However, he did not do a bait and switch on us.
I have to blame the guy who was shopping for the groceries.
I agree with this. Don't use the fact that he is frustrated against him. Put the kid in the best possible situation for him to succeed.
He can't play tackle in the NFL, plain and simple. He doesn't have the athleticism, quickness, footwork, or balance to do it. They should at least try him at guard since he was a premium pick but he's a sunk cost at OT. Make a change now, admit the mistake, and maybe we can salvage something for this offense.
How is that any different from Reese thinking Flowers can be a LT?
So Wheeler is the saving grace? He was an undrafted free agent. Does not speak much for his talent level.LTs rarely if ever come from the ashed of undrafted free agents.
He can't play tackle in the NFL, plain and simple. He doesn't have the athleticism, quickness, footwork, or balance to do it. They should at least try him at guard since he was a premium pick but he's a sunk cost at OT. Make a change now, admit the mistake, and maybe we can salvage something for this offense.
I agree with this. Its Guard or the bench.
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Teams will just move their best pass rushers to that side to take advantage of him. It's not Eli's blind side, but so what? It's not like he's scrambling to elude the rush anyway.
He can't play tackle in the NFL, plain and simple. He doesn't have the athleticism, quickness, footwork, or balance to do it. They should at least try him at guard since he was a premium pick but he's a sunk cost at OT. Make a change now, admit the mistake, and maybe we can salvage something for this offense.
I agree with this. Its Guard or the bench.
Yep, but that's tough to do in-season. Should have been done in the offseason. This is just a complete failure from top to bottom.
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for being drafted so high and tagging him with these high expectations. The guy really is working hard and you can see that he is trying his best. We are trying to turn him into something that he isn't.
If he was steam rolling people in college and looked like a an all pro then fine. However, he did not do a bait and switch on us.
I have to blame the guy who was shopping for the groceries.
I agree with this. Don't use the fact that he is frustrated against him. Put the kid in the best possible situation for him to succeed.
Also agree. I just think the guard experiment will have to wait until next year, although perhaps we could try him at LG after a few weeks of practice.
And the same goes for this past draft. Many saying Engram was a vanity pick but the first round OL group just wasn't strong in last year's draft.
I'm surprised to see you still holding out hope for Flowers though. Not giving up on him at OT? I just don't see it. Doesn't have the skill set for it. What are you seeing?
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but fans who screamed for picking an OT or bust at #9 in that draft had better remember they got what they wished for, and forcing a pick for need is not always a wise strategy.
And the same goes for this past draft. Many saying Engram was a vanity pick but the first round OL group just wasn't strong in last year's draft.
I'm surprised to see you still holding out hope for Flowers though. Not giving up on him at OT? I just don't see it. Doesn't have the skill set for it. What are you seeing?
Still think he can play RT, but reality is we don't know what he's capable of until they get him some help to keep his learning curve and expectations from crushing his confidence permanently.
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but fans who screamed for picking an OT or bust at #9 in that draft had better remember they got what they wished for, and forcing a pick for need is not always a wise strategy.
And the same goes for this past draft. Many saying Engram was a vanity pick but the first round OL group just wasn't strong in last year's draft.
I'm surprised to see you still holding out hope for Flowers though. Not giving up on him at OT? I just don't see it. Doesn't have the skill set for it. What are you seeing?
i disagree. Forest Lamp would have been an excellent pick at that spot in last years draft. I love the potential of Engram and think he will be a star but i think Lamp will also be a star and what we needed
But year 3 and there is little noticeable improvement. If he needs help at this point, doesn't that exemplify the issue? That he just cannot play Tackle at this level?
McAdoo made the point that when teams are dropping 7 into coverage the way they are against us, you need your tackles to be able to win one on one battles. If they need help then you just don't have enough guys running routes to consistently get open.
I like the kid, and think he'd be best at RG and play to his strength...pushing forward.
Various players were screwing up at a similar rate under Flaherty too.
I don't think Solari is great, but at some point you just have to call terrible players terrible and recognize the team has problems evaluating OL talent.
Huh? Lamp is out for the season and from what I saw in the saints game last week, ramcyzk looked awful. Bolles just got hurt this week too.
In terms of Bolles, we didn't even pass on him, he was taken prior to our pick.
I seem to recall TC singing EFs praises when he was drafted - pretty sure he had input on whether to take him or not.
Having said that, my opinion is that they should move him to RG. While I agree that Pugh is not the long term answer at LT, I think he is currently the best LT on the roster. For this week I would practice with Pugh at LT, Jones at LG, Richburg at C, Jerry at RG, Hart/Wheeler at RT. I would start giving Flowers reps at RG.
Normally I would let the status quo play out and expect improvement, but after last night, I think changes are needed.
That might help keep DEs honest, but I don't think Pugh and Flowers have what it takes to establish a power running game either.
yes maybe..but also have be sure that pick is as close to being a blue chip that fits your system and utilized the right way...every other gm didn't think of ef as a LT to begin with ..giants did..lies on the decision makers here.
how many wrs can you have on a team if going bpa?
I truly believe and I'm saying this as one of his supporters is that Reese has been determined to turn Flowers into a LT.