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FranknWeezer : 9/19/2017 1:14 pm
I posted this in a separate thread but figure maybe it got lost in the shuffle.

Guys, it was unbearable to wade through all the trash in the game thread last night. Could we not have a function where posters who registered on that day have a waiting period before posting, perhaps just for gamedays?

It should be one of the best things about BBI to come on and compare notes during a game with other die-hards. Yeah I realize it gets nasty when the Giants play like garbage. But I'd rather suffer through that with real BBI'ers than a bunch of mealy-mouthed trolls and dupes who just registered that day for the purpose of ruining the experience for everyone else. I hate to say it, but if not addressed, it's going to get to where following beat writers on twitter in-game is preferable to checking in to BBI.

I know you always say to let you know if that kind of activity is going on...to bring it to your attention so you can deal with it. But this is more about adjusting the system/controls than singling out some user who will be deleted and then just come right back under another IP address as another troll.

What can be done about this?

I may get drilled for this post, but I've been on BBI for 15 years, so I can take it (i.e. Come at me bro!). Hopefully this is taken as constructive and will lead to some adjustments that will improve the gameday thread experience.
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Eh - I don't think they care  
jcn56 : 9/19/2017 1:15 pm : link
There was one very obvious troll there - dead giveaway being the namecalling towards Eli and the lack of any other activity - I started a thread outside the game thread to point it out - that thread got deleted, that poster remained.

Gamethreads aren't worth it any more.
Frankn  
gidiefor : Mod : 9/19/2017 1:30 pm : link
The game threads are impossible to control. Everytime we get involved with one it is extremely time-consuming -- there can be a couple of pages of posts in a couple of minutes there

I personally would rather be watching the game than reading the game thread - when we get specific complaints marking the offending post link we do take a look at it.

jcn - it is not appropriate to post a thread about a poster -- that is why your thread was deleted. It is preferable to send us an email with the offending comment(s) link(s).

We are keeping our eye on that poster -- he does not post all that much -- but he was a little carried away with himself yesterday for sure. I do think he stopped posting right after you complained about him though. Even so he did not sign up yesterday.

Hey - we're not perfect -- far from it and we try to strike a balance as best we can. Sometimes, when we are too vigilant, it creates problems as well.

FYI - grizz299, Hereditary Emperor and BigBlueWhale (area junc dupe) were banned for trolling in the past 2 days -- so there is that

We dont care?  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 9/19/2017 1:30 pm : link
Game threads are a serious amount of work to monitor, it addition to actually trying to watch the games ourselves. We've talked about a possible delay in registration to posting. We can consider this again.
Hi Bold  
gidiefor : Mod : 9/19/2017 1:32 pm : link
!!!
I honestly believe  
Tuckrule : 9/19/2017 1:34 pm : link
It should be a privilege to post on the game thread. People who have credibility should be able to post this way everything written there is worth reading. To sift through "Eli sucks" "flowers is trash" doesn't do anything for the thread.
Sounds like a snowflake  
32_Razor : 9/19/2017 1:36 pm : link
Imo
RE: Hi Bold  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 9/19/2017 1:36 pm : link
In comment 13606838 gidiefor said:
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Hey Buddy
RE: I honestly believe  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 9/19/2017 1:37 pm : link
In comment 13606847 Tuckrule said:
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It should be a privilege to post on the game thread. People who have credibility should be able to post this way everything written there is worth reading. To sift through "Eli sucks" "flowers is trash" doesn't do anything for the thread.


The problem is the best of us talk shit on these game threads. The best of posters get mad, vent etc... it's part of what the game threads are.
Lol at area junc  
Kyle in NY : 9/19/2017 1:38 pm : link
That's all I've got
RE: RE: I honestly believe  
jcn56 : 9/19/2017 1:41 pm : link
In comment 13606856 Bold Ruler said:
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In comment 13606847 Tuckrule said:


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It should be a privilege to post on the game thread. People who have credibility should be able to post this way everything written there is worth reading. To sift through "Eli sucks" "flowers is trash" doesn't do anything for the thread.



The problem is the best of us talk shit on these game threads. The best of posters get mad, vent etc... it's part of what the game threads are.


Guys - the thread I posted might not have been procedure, and I'm fine with you deleting it.

...however...

The poster I linked should have taken 30 seconds to verify as a dupe. It probably took you longer to delete my thread than it would have to fix the underlying problem.

Nobody is suggesting valid posters get blown away from venting, even if it sucks to read. Obvious trolls dumping on the game thread to fan flames, though, need to be eliminated.
What about a dedicated  
fivehead : 9/19/2017 1:42 pm : link
bitching thread? When I see our team play so disgustingly poor, I need to vent.
RE: Sounds like a snowflake  
njm : 9/19/2017 1:46 pm : link
In comment 13606851 32_Razor said:
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Imo


Frankn  
njm : 9/19/2017 1:47 pm : link
I think you're asking the impossible.
RE: RE: RE: I honestly believe  
gidiefor : Mod : 9/19/2017 1:50 pm : link
In comment 13606865 jcn56 said:
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The poster I linked should have taken 30 seconds to verify as a dupe. It probably took you longer to delete my thread than it would have to fix the underlying problem.

Nobody is suggesting valid posters get blown away from venting, even if it sucks to read. Obvious trolls dumping on the game thread to fan flames, though, need to be eliminated.


jcn -- we tried to verify that he was a dupe - but couldn't -- he had a fixed IP in Hawaii not tied to any other poster and a Hawaiian themed moniker
Wait, Grizz?  
idiotsavant : 9/19/2017 2:35 pm : link
You mean that elderly fellow who got the bum-rush last week after he called out the coach?

That looked like a gang-up and bullying to me, its obviously fair to critique coaching at any time, much less recently, and he was not wrong so far.

Or was that a different Grizz?

If, same guy, we need to self monitor and not loose our way here people.
Giddy and Bold, thanks for the responses  
FranknWeezer : 9/19/2017 2:36 pm : link
Guess we'll keep the comments coming and maybe we can land on a workable fix.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I honestly believe  
jcn56 : 9/19/2017 2:43 pm : link
In comment 13606892 gidiefor said:
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In comment 13606865 jcn56 said:


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The poster I linked should have taken 30 seconds to verify as a dupe. It probably took you longer to delete my thread than it would have to fix the underlying problem.

Nobody is suggesting valid posters get blown away from venting, even if it sucks to read. Obvious trolls dumping on the game thread to fan flames, though, need to be eliminated.



jcn -- we tried to verify that he was a dupe - but couldn't -- he had a fixed IP in Hawaii not tied to any other poster and a Hawaiian themed moniker


Maybe he wasn't a dupe - but you thought that was upholding the TOS?

Again - if that's the view you guys have taken of trolls, then you've already lost and it's not close.
Another area junc..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/19/2017 2:47 pm : link
dupe!! Ba Ha Ha!

By the way, one of grizz or hereditary emperor is a simo. Most likely grizz. Sent me an email bordering on harassment.

All it proves to me is there are some strange dudes on a message board.
Is there a 10-cent refresher  
Beezer : 9/19/2017 3:26 pm : link
in the "simo" happenings? It's all hazy. lol
Hereditaryemperor  
Route 9 : 9/19/2017 3:28 pm : link
Is gone...worst troll, ever
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I honestly believe  
gidiefor : Mod : 9/19/2017 3:57 pm : link
In comment 13607017 jcn56 said:
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Maybe he wasn't a dupe - but you thought that was upholding the TOS?

Again - if that's the view you guys have taken of trolls, then you've already lost and it's not close.


jcn -- if he continues to post that way he will lose his account -- but maybe it was just a bad night - we are giving him the benefit of the doubt for now
RE: Wait, Grizz?  
gidiefor : Mod : 9/19/2017 3:59 pm : link
In comment 13607005 idiotsavant said:
[quote] You mean that elderly fellow who got the bum-rush last week after he called out the coach?

That looked like a gang-up and bullying to me, its obviously fair to critique coaching at any time, much less recently, and he was not wrong so far.

Or was that a different Grizz?

If, same guy, we need to self monitor and not loose our way here people. [/quote

turns out that grizz299 is a cowboys fan -- on several cowboys fan sites -- and he intentionally and consistently posts the names of our players inside out and backwards to annoy
RE: Eh - I don't think they care  
montanagiant : 9/19/2017 4:01 pm : link
In comment 13606783 jcn56 said:
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There was one very obvious troll there - dead giveaway being the namecalling towards Eli and the lack of any other activity - I started a thread outside the game thread to point it out - that thread got deleted, that poster remained.

Gamethreads aren't worth it any more.

!00% correct. It was a dupe of that idiot 32_Razor, this week it was the multiple posts using some childish name shit and last week it was over 12 posts about OBJ's hair.

I understand how hard it is to clean up the 15 other trolls who make a comment here or there but when you have such an obvious pattern week in and out that is a weak excuse
RE: RE: Eh - I don't think they care  
montanagiant : 9/19/2017 4:02 pm : link
In comment 13607295 montanagiant said:
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In comment 13606783 jcn56 said:


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There was one very obvious troll there - dead giveaway being the namecalling towards Eli and the lack of any other activity - I started a thread outside the game thread to point it out - that thread got deleted, that poster remained.

Gamethreads aren't worth it any more.


!00% correct. It was a dupe of that idiot 32_Razor, this week it was the multiple posts using some childish name shit and last week it was over 12 posts about OBJ's hair.

I understand how hard it is to clean up the 15 other trolls who make a comment here or there but when you have such an obvious pattern week in and out that is a weak excuse

And I called him out on a thread last weak and that also got deleted yet he stayed. So I have no idea who this dickhead has pics of but for two weeks in a row the same exact thing happening is no coincidence
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I honestly believe  
gidiefor : Mod : 9/19/2017 4:09 pm : link
In comment 13607017 jcn56 said:
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Again - if that's the view you guys have taken of trolls, then you've already lost and it's not close.


I guess we'll have to agree to disagree about this conclusion -- we've cleaned up a lot of trolls in the past six months -- but we try to implement a fair and balanced approach to this, and not leap to conclusions without some solid evidence
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FranknWeezer : 9/19/2017 4:37 pm : link
In comment 13607308 gidiefor said:
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In comment 13607017 jcn56 said:


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Again - if that's the view you guys have taken of trolls, then you've already lost and it's not close.



I guess we'll have to agree to disagree about this conclusion -- we've cleaned up a lot of trolls in the past six months -- but we try to implement a fair and balanced approach to this, and not leap to conclusions without some solid evidence


Which is exactly why I proposed adjusting the system/controls so that posters who have joined the day of the game (or say, within 48 hours) be put in read-only status. It would surely help a lot, and it shouldn't cause the mods to have to police quite as much. Unless there's not such a capability (which is why I also directed this to Gary), I can't imagine a reason not to put such a system in place. The alternative...users going elsewhere for banter with other fans...doesn't seem to me like what BBI needs.
A decently lengthy enforced lurking period  
JerryNYG : 9/19/2017 4:47 pm : link
would not be a terrible thing. It wouldn't stop a seriously dedicated troll, but it would do away with the casual ones.
The problem with that solution though  
montanagiant : 9/19/2017 5:02 pm : link
Is as Gidie pointed out the troll last night had a profile on here for a period of time. SO what you have happening is these idiots register 6 different accounts that are never used and as one gets banned they move into another one.

What you could do is have the 30 day probation period AFTER they make their first post. And if there is no activity by them for 6 months they get auto deleted
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I honestly believe  
jcn56 : 9/19/2017 5:06 pm : link
In comment 13607308 gidiefor said:
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I guess we'll have to agree to disagree about this conclusion -- we've cleaned up a lot of trolls in the past six months -- but we try to implement a fair and balanced approach to this, and not leap to conclusions without some solid evidence


Well, agree to disagree then. I can understand not wanting to ban borderline, but... it's basically the equivalent of electronic diarrhea being smeared on the game thread repeatedly.



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Look
mauiyankee : 9/18/2017 10:26 pm : link : reply
Ellie Mae is new to this game.
He'll figure out what all those electric signs mean.





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said before
mauiyankee : 9/18/2017 10:50 pm : link : reply
say it again
If ellie mae's hips are not perpendicular to the line of scrimmage
he has little are strength
it floats.

The wobbler was his most accurate throws




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Ellie Mae
mauiyankee : 9/18/2017 11:11 pm : link : reply
open hips
ain't got no zip
4th and 8
Throw for 6
That is the same exact pattern 32_Razor was doing  
montanagiant : 9/19/2017 5:09 pm : link
Last week with OBJ's hair. He stopped AFTER JCN's post and me calling him out as his dupe
There is an easy fix.  
ctc in ftmyers : 9/19/2017 6:37 pm : link
Don't click on the game thread. Every once in awhile I'll take a peek and always leave dumber for doing so.

I fought this battle years ago.

It's has all the drama of a political thread, but because it is during a game, the inmates get to run the asylum for a few hours.

It is a football site remember.

The tape is even erased after the crime so there is no evidence of the idiocy.

If you want to play in the asylum, do so.

If not, don't

It's really that simple.
jcn is not the kind of poster...  
Chris in Philly : 9/19/2017 9:18 pm : link
to be finding trolls on every thread. If he says it was an obvious dupe, that's what it was. Nice to give trolls the benefit of the doubt while people like Berrylish get banned. It's fucking weird around here anymore.
I take it area junc's return isn't.  
Modus Operandi : 9/19/2017 9:23 pm : link
IMMINENT.
Weird around here would be an understatement  
MookGiants : 9/19/2017 9:25 pm : link
I dont know if it's mandated by Eric or not but ever since gidie became a mod things have been incredibly strange.
RE: I take it area junc's return isn't.  
Chris in Philly : 9/19/2017 9:26 pm : link
In comment 13607749 Modus Operandi said:
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IMMINENT.


BigBlueWhale posts HARD and demands to win.
RE: RE: I take it area junc's return isn't.  
Modus Operandi : 9/19/2017 9:40 pm : link
In comment 13607752 Chris in Philly said:
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In comment 13607749 Modus Operandi said:


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IMMINENT.



BigBlueWhale posts HARD and demands to win.






Don't be ridikulos.
All new registrations are approved manually these days  
Gary from The East End : Admin : 9/19/2017 9:52 pm : link
People can't sign up on game day unless they're approved by a mod or admin and all IPs are cross referenced for new account applications.

Please stop calling people "dupes". If you have a serious concern about a poster, please message the mods. I have created a number of tools to ferret out bad actors. Nothing is perfect, but I think it all works pretty well.

Honestly, if you can't take people talking shit on the game thread, stay out of the game thread. Game threads on this site have always had some of that going on.
.  
arcarsenal : 9/19/2017 9:59 pm : link
area junk was BigBlueWhale? LOL. So pathetic.
Hey, it's not my site - it's up to you guys and Eric  
jcn56 : 9/19/2017 9:59 pm : link
If you have no problem with a guy posting like that 62 times in a thread - then that's fine. I gave you the heads-up, that you decided not to take action is your call.

Personally - if the option is to let that guy slide while encouraging anyone who doesn't want to deal with it to just avoid the game thread altogether, it won't be too long before you've got nothing but that crap in the game thread.

Not a problem for me, Reddit's been doing a good job on game day as far as game threads are concerned.
I'm fairly certain Renton and SickBoy are the same person  
j_rud : 9/19/2017 10:00 pm : link
Unless of course 2 *huge* Trainspotting fans just happened to register for BBI during the same month.
RE: All new registrations are approved manually these days  
Modus Operandi : 9/19/2017 10:00 pm : link
In comment 13607777 Gary from The East End said:
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Honestly, if you can't take people talking shit on the game thread, stay out of the game thread. Game threads on this site have always had some of that going on.


Hi Gary!

Maybe you guys should consider placing a moratorium on game threads, seeing as how all that vitriol seems to be spilling over into other threads.

Thanks!
...  
christian : 9/19/2017 10:08 pm : link
Gary, with all do respect, the game threads are a magnet for dumbos. The latest joker hereditary whatever seems to have been a dupe. No knock on the good work you do to cull down the clowns, but some get through.

I think a civil thread bringing to light the problem is more productive than folks jumping in and confronting bad actors and causing chaos as has been the case before.

Re: game threads, for a number of years I've understood it that you all prefer to keep the game conversation in that thread, so if it's where the team wants us, I vote it ok to after the fact point out the folks who seem to only be there to irritate. Dupe or just a garden variety asshole.

I personally really enjoy the threads and the contributions from folks following Twitter, listening to the radio broadcast etc. There are sound contributions from a number of folks.

I don't think anyone is asking you guys to monitor the thread, that sucks and isn't fair.
RE: I'm fairly certain Renton and SickBoy are the same person  
Gary from The East End : Admin : 9/19/2017 10:22 pm : link
In comment 13607784 j_rud said:
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Unless of course 2 *huge* Trainspotting fans just happened to register for BBI during the same month.


This person would have to be a pretty dedicated troll. Both posters have multiple IP addresses and there's no overlap.

Looking at the IP info, both of them post on BBI from an iPhone, but they use different cell phone providers.
RE: RE: I'm fairly certain Renton and SickBoy are the same person  
Modus Operandi : 9/19/2017 10:30 pm : link
In comment 13607804 Gary from The East End said:
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In comment 13607784 j_rud said:


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Unless of course 2 *huge* Trainspotting fans just happened to register for BBI during the same month.



This person would have to be a pretty dedicated troll. Both posters have multiple IP addresses and there's no overlap.

Looking at the IP info, both of them post on BBI from an iPhone, but they use different cell phone providers.


Dude....


Quick, what's CiP thinking right now?
RE: jcn is not the kind of poster...  
montanagiant : 9/19/2017 10:55 pm : link
In comment 13607743 Chris in Philly said:
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to be finding trolls on every thread. If he says it was an obvious dupe, that's what it was. Nice to give trolls the benefit of the doubt while people like Berrylish get banned. It's fucking weird around here anymore.

This
RE: I'm fairly certain Renton and SickBoy are the same person  
montanagiant : 9/19/2017 10:56 pm : link
In comment 13607784 j_rud said:
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Unless of course 2 *huge* Trainspotting fans just happened to register for BBI during the same month.

Especially considering how shitty the 2nd one was
There's no dupes!  
Chris in Philly : 9/20/2017 12:00 am : link
(Except this list of dupes that we just banned.)

Avenge Berrylish!

Chris -- I love Berrylish  
gidiefor : Mod : 9/20/2017 7:38 am : link
It's a well-known and established fact that we have a close relationship.

She asked to banned. She knew and took a measured step that would result in banning. She even said it after she was banned that she knew what she posted would lead to it. I am as sick as many others over it - but it was her choice.

Constantly raising it as opposed to what other posters are allowed to get away with - is really an unfair assertion.
RE: That is the same exact pattern 32_Razor was doing  
gidiefor : Mod : 9/20/2017 7:39 am : link
In comment 13607469 montanagiant said:
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Last week with OBJ's hair. He stopped AFTER JCN's post and me calling him out as his dupe


We will keep our eye on that -- thanks for pointing it out
RE: jcn is not the kind of poster...  
gidiefor : Mod : 9/20/2017 7:41 am : link
In comment 13607743 Chris in Philly said:
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to be finding trolls on every thread. If he says it was an obvious dupe, that's what it was. Nice to give trolls the benefit of the doubt while people like Berrylish get banned. It's fucking weird around here anymore.


also I agree with you about jcn -- his comments are taken seriously, investigated and he is respected. He has a point - and his comments are not lost on us.
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