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Ready to trade a pick for help...

Slade : 9/19/2017 1:22 pm
Not many want to part with OL though. Things are going to get explosive....
Slade  
tbonfig : 9/19/2017 1:24 pm : link
Is this ear to the ground stuff or just your personal desires?
Slade is back  
jeff57 : 9/19/2017 1:24 pm : link
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If the regime gets as desperate as many fans here are  
JonC : 9/19/2017 1:25 pm : link
it could get even uglier if they gamble away a top 5/10 pick.

The Giants are always patient  
Giants86 : 9/19/2017 1:26 pm : link
so Im not expecting anyone of note coming here via trade.
2nd or 3rd rounder...  
Slade : 9/19/2017 1:27 pm : link
No way a first.
Reese is an asshole  
BlueHurricane : 9/19/2017 1:29 pm : link
Had all offseason to sign/draft help.

Anyone with 2 eyes could see this O-Line needed help. Fireable offense.
No Craig Morton  
Reb8thVA : 9/19/2017 1:30 pm : link
for Randy White type trades
Giants offered a 3 for joe thomas last year, Cleveland wanted a 2  
Youtoo : 9/19/2017 1:31 pm : link
I would consider a 2 or a 3 with a late round pick in 2019. To fit Joe Thomas under the cap, Eli would have to agree to a pay cut. I dont know if he would. I would be ok with approaching him. He knows he needs blocking.

RE: No Craig Morton  
jeff57 : 9/19/2017 1:32 pm : link
In comment 13606831 Reb8thVA said:
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for Randy White type trades


Yep.
Confirmed not trading for help now  
widmerseyebrow : 9/19/2017 1:33 pm : link
But seriously, any trade now will involve Reese dropping his shorts and bending over after last night.
RE: Giants offered a 3 for joe thomas last year, Cleveland wanted a 2  
giants#1 : 9/19/2017 1:34 pm : link
In comment 13606835 Youtoo said:
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I would consider a 2 or a 3 with a late round pick in 2019. To fit Joe Thomas under the cap, Eli would have to agree to a pay cut. I dont know if he would. I would be ok with approaching him. He knows he needs blocking.


Or restructure his deal.
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Danny Kanell : 9/19/2017 1:35 pm : link
This (if it happens, big if) would feel like a big mistake.
RE: Giants offered a 3 for joe thomas last year, Cleveland wanted a 2  
TyreeHelmet : 9/19/2017 1:37 pm : link
In comment 13606835 Youtoo said:
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I would consider a 2 or a 3 with a late round pick in 2019. To fit Joe Thomas under the cap, Eli would have to agree to a pay cut. I dont know if he would. I would be ok with approaching him. He knows he needs blocking.


Is that really true? A 2nd for Thomas is a no brainer.
RE: RE: Giants offered a 3 for joe thomas last year, Cleveland wanted a 2  
jcn56 : 9/19/2017 1:38 pm : link
In comment 13606855 TyreeHelmet said:
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In comment 13606835 Youtoo said:


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I would consider a 2 or a 3 with a late round pick in 2019. To fit Joe Thomas under the cap, Eli would have to agree to a pay cut. I dont know if he would. I would be ok with approaching him. He knows he needs blocking.




Is that really true? A 2nd for Thomas is a no brainer.


You're asking the new poster if the rumor you've heard for the first time today is true. Be careful...
Riiiiiiiight  
Keith : 9/19/2017 1:41 pm : link
Not buying it.
Not that it necessarily  
pjcas18 : 9/19/2017 1:45 pm : link
matters, but if you're Joe Thomas or Joe Staley, why would you want to leave where you are - in both cases where you've spent your entire career 10+ year career, and join this shit show? It's not like joining the Giants will save them from a year of crap in SF or CLE.

Giants fans have an inflated sense of "outsiders" view of the Giants, nationally right now they're thought of as a team with a good defense, but an old mediocre QB, no running game, a turnstile OL, and Odell Beckham - that is very mediocre overall as a team.

RE: RE: RE: Giants offered a 3 for joe thomas last year, Cleveland wanted a 2  
TyreeHelmet : 9/19/2017 1:48 pm : link
In comment 13606859 jcn56 said:
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In comment 13606855 TyreeHelmet said:


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In comment 13606835 Youtoo said:


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I would consider a 2 or a 3 with a late round pick in 2019. To fit Joe Thomas under the cap, Eli would have to agree to a pay cut. I dont know if he would. I would be ok with approaching him. He knows he needs blocking.




Is that really true? A 2nd for Thomas is a no brainer.



You're asking the new poster if the rumor you've heard for the first time today is true. Be careful...


Of course I heard that rumor just like everyone else. I was just curious if there was actually any truth to it.
No trades!!!  
JohnB : 9/19/2017 1:50 pm : link
I'm not sure just one person turns this thing around.

Plus they might be drafting in the top 5 of each round. Please no trades for draft picks.
I'm ready  
PaulN : 9/19/2017 1:56 pm : link
To let the season play out and when they win a disgraceful 5 or 6 games, go get one of the top QB's and fire Reese and McAdoo, that is the best case scenario and only way this thing is going to get better, wait until you see what the Eagles do to Flowers, McAdoo and the rest of this disgraceful offense. Beckham is going to ask for 20 mil after this, the Giants are sickening right now.
Should have been handled in the off-season but  
Kevin in Annapolis : 9/19/2017 1:58 pm : link
they have to at least make calls and find out the cost.
Slade may or may not have inside dope  
mikeinbloomfield : 9/19/2017 1:59 pm : link
but does anyone doubt a trade is the only way to save the season? Two, or arguably three, starting offensive lineman on this team should not be on the field. The only player (currently) on the bench that should be within sniffing distance of the field is Wheeler, and to get him in the game without risking Eli's life you've got to move Pugh to LT, but I'm not sure he'd be an improvement there over Flowers. Or you could play an undrafted FA at LT.

There are no play calling adjustments to be made. The Giants can't run, so all defenses have to do is sit back in zone, keep the ball in front of them, and wait for Eli to make a mistake or take a sack. It's been half a year's worth of games where this exact scenario has played out over and over.

If Reese doesn't get a veteran offensive lineman (or linemen!) in here soon, the season is over. The Giants cannot win enough games scoring 6.5 points a game, especially with this year's tougher schedule.

I have not seen this level of offensive ineptitude since the Dave Brown / Danny Kanell days, and let's not discuss how fun those teams were to watch.
Now?  
Sammo85 : 9/19/2017 2:13 pm : link
Smells like a panic move after banging your head against the same wall day after day for two years in a row.

Smells like desperation for a front office that may pay the price and a coaching staff that won't make changes until things are dire.

I wouldn't bother wasting a pick. This team isn't going to the playoffs and I think a new GM and some changes in scouting is sorely needed here.
Joe Thomas for a 3rd?  
Beezer : 9/19/2017 2:15 pm : link
Yes, please.

No-brainer.

Might even do a second rounder. Eli isn't going anywhere, his years are numbered. Give him another half a second to a second? Things could get worked out in a hurry.
The Giants organisation is very loyal to their management staff...  
Fishmanjim57 : 9/19/2017 2:19 pm : link
Reese will not make a deal, so they are stuck with the disaster he built. We fans will have to bide our time, and watch this team drop further down the toilet. The only thing I hope for is a complete bloodletting at the end of the season. They need to fire the HC/OC/ & GM!
They will also need to choose a decent QB to replace the aged Eli Manning.
This team is spent, this season is going to be a lost cause of mammoth proportions !
was Slade right about anything this offseason?  
Heisenberg : 9/19/2017 2:20 pm : link
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anyone have  
The Dude : 9/19/2017 2:21 pm : link
slades track record
RE: Now?  
JonC : 9/19/2017 2:22 pm : link
In comment 13606960 Sammo85 said:
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Smells like a panic move after banging your head against the same wall day after day for two years in a row.

Smells like desperation for a front office that may pay the price and a coaching staff that won't make changes until things are dire.

I wouldn't bother wasting a pick. This team isn't going to the playoffs and I think a new GM and some changes in scouting is sorely needed here.


Definitely panic/desperation and if this does fall apart those top of the round draft picks will be sorely needed.
Wtf?  
BigBlueShock : 9/19/2017 2:23 pm : link
First of all, how the hell do you know what "outsiders" think of the Giants? And secondly, the Giants weakness is OL. So if you play OL (Stanley and Thomas) that is why they would be brought here. Your thought process makes no sense. It's like saying that a QB wouldn't want to be traded to a team with a shitty QB.

This team still has a ton of upside if they can somehow improve the OL. To suggest those guys wouldn't want to come here is a bit disingenuous. And comparing the Giants to SF and Cleveland is downright laughable. Sure. The Giants with a guy like Thomas at LT have no more chance at success than the Browns, so why bother coming. Unbelievable.
RE: Not that it necessarily  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/19/2017 2:24 pm : link
In comment 13606878 pjcas18 said:
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matters, but if you're Joe Thomas or Joe Staley, why would you want to leave where you are - in both cases where you've spent your entire career 10+ year career, and join this shit show? It's not like joining the Giants will save them from a year of crap in SF or CLE.

Giants fans have an inflated sense of "outsiders" view of the Giants, nationally right now they're thought of as a team with a good defense, but an old mediocre QB, no running game, a turnstile OL, and Odell Beckham - that is very mediocre overall as a team.

There's no 5/10 rights in football and it's not like the NBA where the players dictate terms. What makes you think it matters whether the players want to come to the Giants or not?
This place sucks  
BigBlueShock : 9/19/2017 2:28 pm : link
Giants lose two games in a row and now no players in the league want to come here. Not even Cleveland Browns players. For fucks sake people.
Browns aren't trading Thomas  
AcesUp : 9/19/2017 2:31 pm : link
They're breaking in rookie QB they view as a potential franchise guy. You really think they'd expose him by dealing their pro bowl LT midseason?
You guys are  
Carl in CT : 9/19/2017 2:34 pm : link
Suckers
RE: RE: Not that it necessarily  
pjcas18 : 9/19/2017 2:36 pm : link
In comment 13606987 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 13606878 pjcas18 said:


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matters, but if you're Joe Thomas or Joe Staley, why would you want to leave where you are - in both cases where you've spent your entire career 10+ year career, and join this shit show? It's not like joining the Giants will save them from a year of crap in SF or CLE.

Giants fans have an inflated sense of "outsiders" view of the Giants, nationally right now they're thought of as a team with a good defense, but an old mediocre QB, no running game, a turnstile OL, and Odell Beckham - that is very mediocre overall as a team.



There's no 5/10 rights in football and it's not like the NBA where the players dictate terms. What makes you think it matters whether the players want to come to the Giants or not?


I said it may not matter - read the first sentence of my post, but I've also read rumors that Joe Thomas may retire if he was traded. Or use the threat of it as leverage for an extension. He's got one year left on his contract.

I wouldn't be surprised if Staley threatened the same if he didn't want to go where he was traded.

Asking again. Was Slade right about anything this offseason?  
Heisenberg : 9/19/2017 2:46 pm : link
I don't remember much in the way of good predictions by any of our asshats this year.
RE: Browns aren't trading Thomas  
Ben in Tampa : 9/19/2017 3:38 pm : link
In comment 13607000 AcesUp said:
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They're breaking in rookie QB they view as a potential franchise guy. You really think they'd expose him by dealing their pro bowl LT midseason?


Browns play moneyball. They would trade Thomas is the felt the value was fair.
RE: Asking again. Was Slade right about anything this offseason?  
BlueHurricane : 9/19/2017 3:45 pm : link
In comment 13607024 Heisenberg said:
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I don't remember much in the way of good predictions by any of our asshats this year.


They need more than one Olineman to improve  
Blue21 : 9/19/2017 3:45 pm : link
this line. The only one woth salvaging is Pugh. The rest have proven no better than back ups. That includes Richburg. That pocket collapses on almost every passing down. Fluker is awful, Jerry is done, Hart is a 7th round pick and looks it. For that matter Fluker is a first round pick and looks like a 7th.
RE: Slade may or may not have inside dope  
clatterbuck : 9/19/2017 3:46 pm : link
In comment 13606923 mikeinbloomfield said:
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but does anyone doubt a trade is the only way to save the season? Two, or arguably three, starting offensive lineman on this team should not be on the field. The only player (currently) on the bench that should be within sniffing distance of the field is Wheeler, and to get him in the game without risking Eli's life you've got to move Pugh to LT, but I'm not sure he'd be an improvement there over Flowers. Or you could play an undrafted FA at LT.

There are no play calling adjustments to be made. The Giants can't run, so all defenses have to do is sit back in zone, keep the ball in front of them, and wait for Eli to make a mistake or take a sack. It's been half a year's worth of games where this exact scenario has played out over and over.

If Reese doesn't get a veteran offensive lineman (or linemen!) in here soon, the season is over. The Giants cannot win enough games scoring 6.5 points a game, especially with this year's tougher schedule.

I have not seen this level of offensive ineptitude since the Dave Brown / Danny Kanell days, and let's not discuss how fun those teams were to watch.


Can someone explain the infatuation with Wheeler? What did he show in pre-season to indicate he's ready to play now?
RE: RE: Slade may or may not have inside dope  
mikeinbloomfield : 9/19/2017 3:58 pm : link
In comment 13607235 clatterbuck said:
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In comment 13606923 mikeinbloomfield said:


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but does anyone doubt a trade is the only way to save the season? Two, or arguably three, starting offensive lineman on this team should not be on the field. The only player (currently) on the bench that should be within sniffing distance of the field is Wheeler, and to get him in the game without risking Eli's life you've got to move Pugh to LT, but I'm not sure he'd be an improvement there over Flowers. Or you could play an undrafted FA at LT.

There are no play calling adjustments to be made. The Giants can't run, so all defenses have to do is sit back in zone, keep the ball in front of them, and wait for Eli to make a mistake or take a sack. It's been half a year's worth of games where this exact scenario has played out over and over.

If Reese doesn't get a veteran offensive lineman (or linemen!) in here soon, the season is over. The Giants cannot win enough games scoring 6.5 points a game, especially with this year's tougher schedule.

I have not seen this level of offensive ineptitude since the Dave Brown / Danny Kanell days, and let's not discuss how fun those teams were to watch.



Can someone explain the infatuation with Wheeler? What did he show in pre-season to indicate he's ready to play now?


He may not be. The point is that he is best option of anyone on the bench or PS, god help Eli. I'm not saying he's good.
Wouldn't surprise me  
Beer Man : 9/19/2017 4:25 pm : link
I know this is not typical of the Giants, but I have to believe that both Mac and Jerry are feeling the heat and have to be a little bit scared for their jobs (especially Reese when you consider Gentlemen is looking for work)
Don't  
ryanmkeane : 9/19/2017 4:25 pm : link
feed this idiot
RE: RE: RE: Slade may or may not have inside dope  
Beer Man : 9/19/2017 4:32 pm : link
In comment 13607289 mikeinbloomfield said:
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In comment 13607235 clatterbuck said:


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In comment 13606923 mikeinbloomfield said:


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but does anyone doubt a trade is the only way to save the season? Two, or arguably three, starting offensive lineman on this team should not be on the field. The only player (currently) on the bench that should be within sniffing distance of the field is Wheeler, and to get him in the game without risking Eli's life you've got to move Pugh to LT, but I'm not sure he'd be an improvement there over Flowers. Or you could play an undrafted FA at LT.

There are no play calling adjustments to be made. The Giants can't run, so all defenses have to do is sit back in zone, keep the ball in front of them, and wait for Eli to make a mistake or take a sack. It's been half a year's worth of games where this exact scenario has played out over and over.

If Reese doesn't get a veteran offensive lineman (or linemen!) in here soon, the season is over. The Giants cannot win enough games scoring 6.5 points a game, especially with this year's tougher schedule.

I have not seen this level of offensive ineptitude since the Dave Brown / Danny Kanell days, and let's not discuss how fun those teams were to watch.



Can someone explain the infatuation with Wheeler? What did he show in pre-season to indicate he's ready to play now?



He may not be. The point is that he is best option of anyone on the bench or PS, god help Eli. I'm not saying he's good.
The feeling is that he is not strong enough to start at T right now, but he held up reasonably well and showed decent technique pass-blocking during the PS. He is still a work-in-progress.
RE: was Slade right about anything this offseason?  
arcarsenal : 9/19/2017 4:34 pm : link
In comment 13606978 Heisenberg said:
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Nope.
RE: Reese is an asshole  
gmenatlarge : 9/19/2017 7:40 pm : link
In comment 13606830 BlueHurricane said:
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Had all offseason to sign/draft help.

Anyone with 2 eyes could see this O-Line needed help. Fireable offense.


Grudgingly agree, almost on a par with the meta letting Murphy go, let's hope the results aren't the same.
That's Mets  
gmenatlarge : 9/19/2017 7:42 pm : link
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Joe Thomas is the dream pick up  
adamg : 9/19/2017 7:49 pm : link
Thomas-Jones-Richburg-Flowers-Pugh

Too bad slade isn't a real asshat...
2018 4th round pick to the Raiders  
SHO'NUFF : 9/19/2017 8:17 pm : link
for Marshall Newhouse.
lmfao  
micky : 9/19/2017 9:34 pm : link
giants aren't trading..period.

end of story..holy hell
RE: anyone have  
Modus Operandi : 9/19/2017 9:42 pm : link
In comment 13606980 The Dude said:
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slades track record


Zero.zero
No  
nyynyg : 9/20/2017 1:45 am : link
You don't trade a premium pick at this point. They had the whole off-season to fix this thing. You don't trade a pick when we are already in an 0-2 hole. One guy is not going to fix this and one guy is not going to fix this in two games.

If we are that screwed, guess what, you are better off playing Webb out of the freaking shotgun the whole season. That idea is just as dumb but at least it will not cost a premium pick.
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