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Personel Problems are clear as day on the O line but

OBJ_AllDay : 9/19/2017 1:49 pm
The predictability of this offense/scheme are starting to show too. Shocked more of these slants haven't been picked yet. Vereen isn't half the player he was hyped up to be coming out of the backfield on passing plays. No wr screens to act as runs when db's are playing 10 yards off the line. No backshoulder throws to Marshall, and 3-4 end around a run already on the season to our slowest least explosive wr on the roster. Nothing is crippling this team more than the o line but Ben needs to make massive adjustments of his own as well in the play calling duties (or give them up).
I wouldn't say they offense is  
eclipz928 : 9/19/2017 1:57 pm : link
predictable as much as it is unimaginative. It's surprisingly very Coughlin-like scheming, where the philosophy seems to be to win the play by lining straight up and beating your man.
They ran two WR end arounds last night, the second of which  
mikeinbloomfield : 9/19/2017 2:05 pm : link
lost 5 yards. There are only so many tricks in the bag. The percentage that the Giants are in 11 personnel is well known, but not much good is going to happen averaging less than a yard per carry.
Offense  
AndyB : 9/19/2017 2:19 pm : link
Of course the Giants offense is "predictable." So is every other offense, at every level of football, high school, college, or pro.

Every offense has a few base plays they use in every game, week after week, year after year. That's why they're called tendencies. Every team has them.

Offensive football is not about "predictability" or "imagination" or "creativity." That's for fans and media who buy into the mystique. No, offensive football is about identifying what you do best and then doing it, over and over, again and again.

The percentage of blame for the failures of this offense on "predictability" is exactly zero.

Here's what has to happen for this offense to improve: the players have to play better.
RE: Offense  
81_Great_Dane : 9/19/2017 2:34 pm : link
In comment 13606974 AndyB said:
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Of course the Giants offense is "predictable." So is every other offense, at every level of football, high school, college, or pro.

Every offense has a few base plays they use in every game, week after week, year after year. That's why they're called tendencies. Every team has them.

Offensive football is not about "predictability" or "imagination" or "creativity." That's for fans and media who buy into the mystique. No, offensive football is about identifying what you do best and then doing it, over and over, again and again.

The percentage of blame for the failures of this offense on "predictability" is exactly zero.

Here's what has to happen for this offense to improve: the players have to play better.
This.
Really good post  
Rico : 9/19/2017 3:07 pm : link
I totally agree. Running up the middle for zero on the first play of the game every time really has to stop. Better play calling that keeps the defense on their heels a little would make our players (including the OL) look a lot better.
Detroit had an even more predictable offense  
RetroJint : 9/19/2017 4:25 pm : link
I thought one of the problems last night was that the Giants tried to be too unpredictable on offense. They should have concentrated on giving Flowers help. As for the Lions , Stafford's mobility extended about 5 plays that would have been deader than Kelsey's nuts with Eli back there. Jones beat Apple Mano y Mano because Eli lost inside leverage and couldn't find the ball. And Roger Lewis Jr is an asshole . That's what I saw.
one could assume that the new generation of Maras  
idiotsavant : 9/19/2017 4:35 pm : link
may not really understand the game, they don't seem to be guiding Jerry Reese at all.

League seems to be seeing trends in player type and schemes that our group is simply missing.

If players cannot play, ultimately that reflects either on front office, who hired them, or on coaching, who coach them its not as if they want to fuck up.

Shit often rolls downhill, but, sometimes, when you want things to function it also rolls uphill on occasion .
during preseason there seems to have been  
idiotsavant : 9/19/2017 4:43 pm : link
a quote to the effect that:

'we have a huge playbook' and 'can run almost anything' and so will 'wait to see what sticks'.

If true, that tells me three things:

Clueless - about league trends, and therefor lacking a sense of mission within schematics, a clear identity, one that is based in logic for todays game, narrow enough to practice often.

Arrogant- lacking the humility to practice and practice again things that are known to work in the league in recent years.

Scattered - sense of style and momentum come game day. Picking random plays. Very close to pulling off some amazing ones, but lacking those classic simple ones.

IMHO one would want to have an idea about what will be on the menu for winning in any given season and therefor be able to make better use of practice and pre-season.

my understanding was always  
idiotsavant : 9/19/2017 4:56 pm : link
that there is really no such thing as a singular play.

its always been about one play, that sets up another play, that sets up another play and so forth.

Not just in the obvious sense such as play action and misdirection, but in the broader sense of team trends, identity, that every play you run creates another opportunity.

what we have here right now, it seems, is some very, very talented players, being asked to make things happen on an island in a singular sense.

in other words, assuming that 'we are so good... the D might see it comeing but EE and ODB will beat them anyway"

as opposed to schemeing towards change ups and wide open unnacounted for players.
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