But I thought it was catch-able, and Engram should have used both hands. Engram had his first TD, and a couple of other catches, but he made some classic rookie mistakes, had a couple drops, and cost the team with the boneheaded grabbing of his crotch after the TD
But I thought it was catch-able, and Engram should have used both hands. Engram had his first TD, and a couple of other catches, but he made some classic rookie mistakes, had a couple drops, and cost the team with the boneheaded grabbing of his crotch after the TD
Yes, I would argue the TD throw was a worse throw than the INT.
A: Can’t afford it. The ball was a little behind Evan. So, we’ve got to look at it and I’ve got it put it in front of him and give him a chance to run, or move on to my next progression.
A: Can’t afford it. The ball was a little behind Evan. So, we’ve got to look at it and I’ve got it put it in front of him and give him a chance to run, or move on to my next progression.
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"That was on me," Engram said. "That was frustrating. We were in good position to go down and gain some momentum. Just a bad play. Defense fights really hard for us to get in good position, and we've got to capitalize better. That play was on me. It was just unfortunate."
"No matter what, if the ball touches my hands, I've got to come down with it," Engram said.
But I thought it was catch-able, and Engram should have used both hands. Engram had his first TD, and a couple of other catches, but he made some classic rookie mistakes, had a couple drops, and cost the team with the boneheaded grabbing of his crotch after the TD
Yes, I would argue the TD throw was a worse throw than the INT.
I'd agree with this too.
That was nice of Engram to bail Eli out like that Â
but it's behind him, hitting him on one hand when his momentum is carrying him in the other direction. Even OBJ has a hard time coming down with that one.
It was a bad throw and it's on Eli. I'm sick and tired of the apologists on this board killing the receivers nonstop. On clear body drops, kill away. But it's clear Eli has a healthy share of terrible throws and he's always had them unfortunately.
There was no coverage towards the sideline. A QB had to recognize and lead the receiver with the throw. Not throw it off to the backside.
It was a bad throw borne from a poor read and bad timing in his release.
but this could also be a case where Engram needs to sit in a zone, as opposed to continue his route in man-to-man. Between the two of them, I'm going to guess that the QB with 13 years in the league read the defense correctly, and the rookie didn't.
Eli is not going to pass the buck, and he's really not going to give any defense any information, regardless of how common in the league it is.
If the QB throws you a catchable ball and you are in the NFL, you catch it. Eli's under duress (again) and that made the throw inaccurate. The inaccurate throw could be blamed for a lack of YAC (as happened last week with Shep). However, sufficient effort by Engram to catch the ball was not there and what little effort he did make only made the INT easier. Learning time for the kid.
RE: That was nice of Engram to bail Eli out like that Â
but it's behind him, hitting him on one hand when his momentum is carrying him in the other direction. Even OBJ has a hard time coming down with that one.
Haha, okay. And Eli NEVER takes the blame for stuff that isn't his fault, so we must take HIS explanation at face value, because that's what you want to believe.
I'm sure Eli does wish he'd put it about a foot or so more to the right. Doesn't mean it's the throw that a lot of people made it out to be last night and through this morning.
It was a catchable ball. OBJ couldn't make that catch!? Now you're really reaching!
Engram should have eased up and caught the ball instead of trying to one hand it. He had clear vision of it and could have slowed his route a bit.
Yup he should have identified that where that ball was thrown was the soft spot in that zone. He's a rookie so it's understandable, but leading him put that ball in much more of a INT opportunity by the dropping LB
but this could also be a case where Engram needs to sit in a zone, as opposed to continue his route in man-to-man. Between the two of them, I'm going to guess that the QB with 13 years in the league read the defense correctly, and the rookie didn't.
Eli is not going to pass the buck, and he's really not going to give any defense any information, regardless of how common in the league it is.
Why in heavens would you have Engram sit in zone when he's a man to man mismatch guy? Added to the point is if the throw was better and leading him he had opportunity to tack on at least 7-8 yards more after catch, heck maybe even more. There's no way that Engram just made up his route there. It was a crisp cut by him and a crossing pattern.
Engram should have eased up and caught the ball instead of trying to one hand it. He had clear vision of it and could have slowed his route a bit.
Yup he should have identified that where that ball was thrown was the soft spot in that zone. He's a rookie so it's understandable, but leading him put that ball in much more of a INT opportunity by the dropping LB
He didn't lead him with the throw. That's the whole point.
The throw was far enough behind Engram to make it a very difficult catch. It is what we have come to expect of Odell but not sure Engram is (or ever will be) there. Not saying Eli can't get it done still but he definitely could have made a better throw than he did. If Engram doesn't tip it up it might not end up a pick.
I'm really surprised by you. You always seemed so levelheaded. That throw is behind Engram. It's over his back shoulder. There's hardly any way, with momentum, he can turn and catch that ball in space. I'm not buying it.
RE: RE: That was nice of Engram to bail Eli out like that Â
but it's behind him, hitting him on one hand when his momentum is carrying him in the other direction. Even OBJ has a hard time coming down with that one.
Haha, okay. And Eli NEVER takes the blame for stuff that isn't his fault, so we must take HIS explanation at face value, because that's what you want to believe.
I'm sure Eli does wish he'd put it about a foot or so more to the right. Doesn't mean it's the throw that a lot of people made it out to be last night and through this morning.
It was a catchable ball. OBJ couldn't make that catch!? Now you're really reaching!
Boy you'd expect a teacher to have some reading comprehension - I said he'd have a hard time with it.
And he'd make it because he's OBJ, the one handed grab master. The ball is behind Engram, he's moving full speed in the other direction, and barely gets one hand on it. But because Eli can do no wrong to some of you, clearly, it couldn't have POSSIBLY been his doing.
You guys are pathetic. Eli's a two time SB winner and MVP, he doesn't need smear campaigns against other players to help him out at this point.
but that should have been two hands going at the ball, which likely prevents it from bouncing right to the defender.
You can see from the video that he has two hands up and deliberately puts one down and one up. My initial reaction was that it was a very lazy catch attempt. Video confirms that. That said, it's a lazy attempt at a poorly thrown ball. It's the combo that leads to the turnover, So I actually agree with both of them.
but this could also be a case where Engram needs to sit in a zone, as opposed to continue his route in man-to-man. Between the two of them, I'm going to guess that the QB with 13 years in the league read the defense correctly, and the rookie didn't.
Eli is not going to pass the buck, and he's really not going to give any defense any information, regardless of how common in the league it is.
Why in heavens would you have Engram sit in zone when he's a man to man mismatch guy? Added to the point is if the throw was better and leading him he had opportunity to tack on at least 7-8 yards more after catch, heck maybe even more. There's no way that Engram just made up his route there. It was a crisp cut by him and a crossing pattern.
This. Some of these defenses are mind numbing. He's running his route, which is drag across the middle of the field. He's running full speed, there is zero excuse for that ball being behind him. It would be nearly impossible to turn and catch the ball with two hands, given he wasn't that far up the field so the amount of time to react and adjust is limited.
watch that and think Eli should have led him. If he leads him thats an even easier interception by the dropping LB. The problem with the throw is that Eli should have put the throw lower more into the gut. Also Engram needs to realize the LB is dropping and ease up on his route.
watch that and think Eli should have led him. If he leads him thats an even easier interception by the dropping LB. The problem with the throw is that Eli should have put the throw lower more into the gut. Also Engram needs to realize the LB is dropping and ease up on his route.
Clearly you were watching a different game. There was no threat of INT if he lead him earlier in the route towards the sideline. Come on people. This isn't rocket science.
as Engram was just coming open in a zone between two defenders and the throw was clearly behind him, but also a ball that you'd hope he catches. Engram is a physical freak and could have caught that ball, but it's gotta be thrown better. Unfortunately, we need Eli to be perfect and he's been far from it so far.
There is a defender at his feet , he had to relase the ball flat footed, thats why it did not have the zip it need to lead the receiver.
Maybe, he should have thrown it away, he's not A. Rogers
watch that and think Eli should have led him. If he leads him thats an even easier interception by the dropping LB. The problem with the throw is that Eli should have put the throw lower more into the gut. Also Engram needs to realize the LB is dropping and ease up on his route.
Clearly you were watching a different game. There was no threat of INT if he lead him earlier in the route towards the sideline. Come on people. This isn't rocket science.
Clearly you didnt look at the video that the OP went as far as to link in the post. There is a LB dropping into zone right where Engram is headed.
the sack fumble and recovery at that moment was heroics (within sports context) of the highest order.
That sort of stuff is - why and what for - many of us became fans in the 1980s, momentum reversing heroic impossible plays.
Given that, and the Parcels wisdom to remember that even a 3pt field goal there is probably really representing a 10pt swing, as you just stopped a probably scoring drive....
I was yelling 'run it, run it, run it' there.
In addition, the state of the OL makes any pass an injury risk to WRs and the QB, in addition the same factor causes INTs.
In addition, establish runs there and you create play action on the next series,
...with the game now closer with your 3 or 10pt 'swing' in total.
In addition, establish runs there you therefore change the season.
watch that and think Eli should have led him. If he leads him thats an even easier interception by the dropping LB. The problem with the throw is that Eli should have put the throw lower more into the gut. Also Engram needs to realize the LB is dropping and ease up on his route.
Clearly you were watching a different game. There was no threat of INT if he lead him earlier in the route towards the sideline. Come on people. This isn't rocket science.
Clearly you didnt look at the video that the OP went as far as to link in the post. There is a LB dropping into zone right where Engram is headed.
He only had to change the target of his pass by like 3 feet. Still nowhere near the dropping linebacker.
watch that and think Eli should have led him. If he leads him thats an even easier interception by the dropping LB. The problem with the throw is that Eli should have put the throw lower more into the gut. Also Engram needs to realize the LB is dropping and ease up on his route.
Clearly you were watching a different game. There was no threat of INT if he lead him earlier in the route towards the sideline. Come on people. This isn't rocket science.
Clearly you didnt look at the video that the OP went as far as to link in the post. There is a LB dropping into zone right where Engram is headed.
Utter. Nonsense. They showed an overhead view of the play multiple times last night. Engram had found sufficient space between defenders. He did his job and he timed his route perfectly.
I just watched the play six times over and over again now. Engram had done his job and the defenders were far enough away for Engram to work the catch and gain yardage.
Are we really going to kill the QB for every bad throw he makes this year? This shit is unbelievable. He made a few bad throws in the game, and this one cost him an INT. It literally happens to EVERY QB in the league save for maybe 2-3. This board is becoming unbearable.
apologists blamed Reuben Randle for running the wrong route on the play. How about our 20 million dollar man making an accurate throw on what basically was a pitch and catch. Come on.
Engram should have eased up and caught the ball instead of trying to one hand it. He had clear vision of it and could have slowed his route a bit.
Yup he should have identified that where that ball was thrown was the soft spot in that zone. He's a rookie so it's understandable, but leading him put that ball in much more of a INT opportunity by the dropping LB
He didn't lead him with the throw. That's the whole point.
LOL..I know that was why I mentioned it, if he had the LB was in a great spot for a INT.
But, to say that was the turning point of the game - 2nd quarter - is crazy.
If turning points are going to be every time we get down 7 or 10 points, it's going to be a truly sucky year!! LOL
I had to go back because from some comments you would think the ball was so much behind Engram.
That's a catchable ball. Thought it was catchable when I saw it live. Still do. Engram's arm isn't even extended when he makes contact with the ball
It looked to be our young TE kept running and just stuck his hand out......
Similar to Marshall on his crossing route instead of laying out for it.
He shortened up to get the ball out - bad throw, missed connection that went for an INT because of shit blocking. same ol story
It was a poor throw. period
It was a poor throw. period
There is also a video linked from the same angle.
It was a poor throw. period
It wasn't that bad a throw. Engram saw the ball the entire way, there was no reason to go after it with one hand.
Yes, I would argue the TD throw was a worse throw than the INT.
Q: What happened on your interception?
A: Can’t afford it. The ball was a little behind Evan. So, we’ve got to look at it and I’ve got it put it in front of him and give him a chance to run, or move on to my next progression.
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Q: What happened on your interception?
A: Can’t afford it. The ball was a little behind Evan. So, we’ve got to look at it and I’ve got it put it in front of him and give him a chance to run, or move on to my next progression.
"No matter what, if the ball touches my hands, I've got to come down with it," Engram said.
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But I thought it was catch-able, and Engram should have used both hands. Engram had his first TD, and a couple of other catches, but he made some classic rookie mistakes, had a couple drops, and cost the team with the boneheaded grabbing of his crotch after the TD
Yes, I would argue the TD throw was a worse throw than the INT.
I'd agree with this too.
There was no coverage towards the sideline. A QB had to recognize and lead the receiver with the throw. Not throw it off to the backside.
It was a bad throw borne from a poor read and bad timing in his release.
Eli is not going to pass the buck, and he's really not going to give any defense any information, regardless of how common in the league it is.
Haha, okay. And Eli NEVER takes the blame for stuff that isn't his fault, so we must take HIS explanation at face value, because that's what you want to believe.
I'm sure Eli does wish he'd put it about a foot or so more to the right. Doesn't mean it's the throw that a lot of people made it out to be last night and through this morning.
It was a catchable ball. OBJ couldn't make that catch!? Now you're really reaching!
Yup he should have identified that where that ball was thrown was the soft spot in that zone. He's a rookie so it's understandable, but leading him put that ball in much more of a INT opportunity by the dropping LB
Eli is not going to pass the buck, and he's really not going to give any defense any information, regardless of how common in the league it is.
Why in heavens would you have Engram sit in zone when he's a man to man mismatch guy? Added to the point is if the throw was better and leading him he had opportunity to tack on at least 7-8 yards more after catch, heck maybe even more. There's no way that Engram just made up his route there. It was a crisp cut by him and a crossing pattern.
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Engram should have eased up and caught the ball instead of trying to one hand it. He had clear vision of it and could have slowed his route a bit.
Yup he should have identified that where that ball was thrown was the soft spot in that zone. He's a rookie so it's understandable, but leading him put that ball in much more of a INT opportunity by the dropping LB
He didn't lead him with the throw. That's the whole point.
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but it's behind him, hitting him on one hand when his momentum is carrying him in the other direction. Even OBJ has a hard time coming down with that one.
Haha, okay. And Eli NEVER takes the blame for stuff that isn't his fault, so we must take HIS explanation at face value, because that's what you want to believe.
I'm sure Eli does wish he'd put it about a foot or so more to the right. Doesn't mean it's the throw that a lot of people made it out to be last night and through this morning.
It was a catchable ball. OBJ couldn't make that catch!? Now you're really reaching!
Boy you'd expect a teacher to have some reading comprehension - I said he'd have a hard time with it.
And he'd make it because he's OBJ, the one handed grab master. The ball is behind Engram, he's moving full speed in the other direction, and barely gets one hand on it. But because Eli can do no wrong to some of you, clearly, it couldn't have POSSIBLY been his doing.
You guys are pathetic. Eli's a two time SB winner and MVP, he doesn't need smear campaigns against other players to help him out at this point.
You can see from the video that he has two hands up and deliberately puts one down and one up. My initial reaction was that it was a very lazy catch attempt. Video confirms that. That said, it's a lazy attempt at a poorly thrown ball. It's the combo that leads to the turnover, So I actually agree with both of them.
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but this could also be a case where Engram needs to sit in a zone, as opposed to continue his route in man-to-man. Between the two of them, I'm going to guess that the QB with 13 years in the league read the defense correctly, and the rookie didn't.
Eli is not going to pass the buck, and he's really not going to give any defense any information, regardless of how common in the league it is.
Why in heavens would you have Engram sit in zone when he's a man to man mismatch guy? Added to the point is if the throw was better and leading him he had opportunity to tack on at least 7-8 yards more after catch, heck maybe even more. There's no way that Engram just made up his route there. It was a crisp cut by him and a crossing pattern.
This. Some of these defenses are mind numbing. He's running his route, which is drag across the middle of the field. He's running full speed, there is zero excuse for that ball being behind him. It would be nearly impossible to turn and catch the ball with two hands, given he wasn't that far up the field so the amount of time to react and adjust is limited.
But does anyone really believe that was a good throw?
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it's not like he was sitting down in a zone waiting for a ball and lazily reached up. Still's dont do the play justice.
It was a poor throw. period
There is also a video linked from the same angle.
And the video shows exactly how fast Engram was running and how manipulating his body in order to somehow catch that ball was virtually impossible.
But does anyone really believe that was a good throw?
Nobody said it was a good throw. But it wasn't a horrible throw and it's certainly a catchable ball. Both can be true.
Clearly you were watching a different game. There was no threat of INT if he lead him earlier in the route towards the sideline. Come on people. This isn't rocket science.
Maybe, he should have thrown it away, he's not A. Rogers
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watch that and think Eli should have led him. If he leads him thats an even easier interception by the dropping LB. The problem with the throw is that Eli should have put the throw lower more into the gut. Also Engram needs to realize the LB is dropping and ease up on his route.
Clearly you were watching a different game. There was no threat of INT if he lead him earlier in the route towards the sideline. Come on people. This isn't rocket science.
Clearly you didnt look at the video that the OP went as far as to link in the post. There is a LB dropping into zone right where Engram is headed.
That sort of stuff is - why and what for - many of us became fans in the 1980s, momentum reversing heroic impossible plays.
Given that, and the Parcels wisdom to remember that even a 3pt field goal there is probably really representing a 10pt swing, as you just stopped a probably scoring drive....
I was yelling 'run it, run it, run it' there.
In addition, the state of the OL makes any pass an injury risk to WRs and the QB, in addition the same factor causes INTs.
In addition, establish runs there and you create play action on the next series,
...with the game now closer with your 3 or 10pt 'swing' in total.
In addition, establish runs there you therefore change the season.
one more note- darkwa not perkins.
It was a poor throw. period
1000% agree. engram was running so fast i dont think he could have just stopped to get 2 hands on it. Eli has to do better.
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watch that and think Eli should have led him. If he leads him thats an even easier interception by the dropping LB. The problem with the throw is that Eli should have put the throw lower more into the gut. Also Engram needs to realize the LB is dropping and ease up on his route.
Clearly you were watching a different game. There was no threat of INT if he lead him earlier in the route towards the sideline. Come on people. This isn't rocket science.
Clearly you didnt look at the video that the OP went as far as to link in the post. There is a LB dropping into zone right where Engram is headed.
He only had to change the target of his pass by like 3 feet. Still nowhere near the dropping linebacker.
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watch that and think Eli should have led him. If he leads him thats an even easier interception by the dropping LB. The problem with the throw is that Eli should have put the throw lower more into the gut. Also Engram needs to realize the LB is dropping and ease up on his route.
Clearly you were watching a different game. There was no threat of INT if he lead him earlier in the route towards the sideline. Come on people. This isn't rocket science.
Clearly you didnt look at the video that the OP went as far as to link in the post. There is a LB dropping into zone right where Engram is headed.
Utter. Nonsense. They showed an overhead view of the play multiple times last night. Engram had found sufficient space between defenders. He did his job and he timed his route perfectly.
I just watched the play six times over and over again now. Engram had done his job and the defenders were far enough away for Engram to work the catch and gain yardage.
Eli blew it.
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Engram should have eased up and caught the ball instead of trying to one hand it. He had clear vision of it and could have slowed his route a bit.
Yup he should have identified that where that ball was thrown was the soft spot in that zone. He's a rookie so it's understandable, but leading him put that ball in much more of a INT opportunity by the dropping LB
He didn't lead him with the throw. That's the whole point.
LOL..I know that was why I mentioned it, if he had the LB was in a great spot for a INT.