Eli's horrible throw and INT

but if Engram has a deeper angle on his route, he catches a beautifully thrown ball a little farther upfield in the space between two defenders.

In comment 13607731 EricJ said:

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sure I guess so. However, why are so many of these passes far far off target? Eli did make some nice throws in the game but damn too many poor throws. Since we are talking about Engram, take a look at the video of his TD catch. Wide fucking open by at least 5 yards. Thank God Engram is athletic because the throw was high and behind him. Why does it often have to be so difficult? We can also cue up the perfect pass he gifted to Marshall that was dropped. Engram TD - ( New Window )

LMAO I would love to know why a TD pass that a TE has to jump one foot in the air to make because it has to clear the LB's dropping is such a bad pass...

Seriously it's like some of you have to create a bitch about Eli no matter what

In comment 13607833 montanagiant said:

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In comment 13607731 EricJ said: Quote: sure I guess so. However, why are so many of these passes far far off target? Eli did make some nice throws in the game but damn too many poor throws. Since we are talking about Engram, take a look at the video of his TD catch. Wide fucking open by at least 5 yards. Thank God Engram is athletic because the throw was high and behind him. Why does it often have to be so difficult? We can also cue up the perfect pass he gifted to Marshall that was dropped. Engram TD - ( New Window ) LMAO I would love to know why a TD pass that a TE has to jump one foot in the air to make because it has to clear the LB's dropping is such a bad pass... Seriously it's like some of you have to create a bitch about Eli no matter what

Sure...no matter what. Why don't you ignore the fact that I referenced good passes he made TWICE within the same post. I am pretty careful to create some balance. Want to say that some people bitch "no matter what" that is fine, but not me.

In comment 13607837 EricJ said:

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In comment 13607833 montanagiant said: Quote: In comment 13607731 EricJ said: Quote: sure I guess so. However, why are so many of these passes far far off target? Eli did make some nice throws in the game but damn too many poor throws. Since we are talking about Engram, take a look at the video of his TD catch. Wide fucking open by at least 5 yards. Thank God Engram is athletic because the throw was high and behind him. Why does it often have to be so difficult? We can also cue up the perfect pass he gifted to Marshall that was dropped. Engram TD - ( New Window ) LMAO I would love to know why a TD pass that a TE has to jump one foot in the air to make because it has to clear the LB's dropping is such a bad pass... Seriously it's like some of you have to create a bitch about Eli no matter what Sure...no matter what. Why don't you ignore the fact that I referenced good passes he made TWICE within the same post. I am pretty careful to create some balance. Want to say that some people bitch "no matter what" that is fine, but not me.

Eric do you honestly believe a pass for a TD that a receiver has to hop a foot in the air for because there is some underneath coverage is a bad pass?

There are two athletes involved in that play is it really that hard to expect one of them to make that catch without trying to nitpick the fact the ball was not 1 foot lower?

In comment 13607781 Daniel in MI said:

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It's not a long throw. Put it where it belongs, in front of EE. I see other QBs make this throw - and harder ones - all the time. It was a shit throw for an NFL QB. Running full speed in one direction it's not very to reach back and catch a ball behind you. It would have been an amazing catch if he got it (and the TD was a pretty damn good catch that Chucky barely mentioned, why was that ball behind him, too)? Eli is rushing and it's no wonder. But please, if an "NFL WR needs to make that catch" then sure as hell an NFL QB needs to make that throw. Even a throw a bit low or high in front of him is probably caught. But a shorter throw behind him coming across? Very unlikely.

Shorter throw? The ball was face mask level. If the ball is literally thrown one foot in front of the receiver it's a perfect pass. That was a pass that I see skilled receivers adjust to all the time and make a play. But because Engram didn't and it led to a turnover, it's a horrible pass. Textbook results oriented analysis.

I think a lot of the critics on this board watch the Giants but only see highlights of the other QBs around the league -- hence the inflated perception of the top QBs around the league.

If Eli sailed it over Engram's head or threw it at his shins then yea, it'd be a bad pass. Odds are those throws wouldn't have resulted in picks and this wouldn't even be a topic today.

has consistently had trouble hitting receivers in stride throughout his career, often behind or high(thus the tipped picks), so even if the ball is caught, by the time the received gets back in stride the D has caught up and the gain isn't nearly what it might have been.
He did the same thing to Vereen on the swing pass that went for 8-9and not 30.
I'm often an Eli apologist, but that was on him.

In comment 13607781 Daniel in MI said:

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It's not a long throw. Put it where it belongs, in front of EE. I see other QBs make this throw - and harder ones - all the time. It was a shit throw for an NFL QB. Running full speed in one direction it's not very to reach back and catch a ball behind you. It would have been an amazing catch if he got it (and the TD was a pretty damn good catch that Chucky barely mentioned, why was that ball behind him, too)? Eli is rushing and it's no wonder. But please, if an "NFL WR needs to make that catch" then sure as hell an NFL QB needs to make that throw. Even a throw a bit low or high in front of him is probably caught. But a shorter throw behind him coming across? Very unlikely.

great post

He's not an accurate, elite level passer.

Next

in coverage. He gets wide open on a crossing route and we now want him to stop, sit in the zone to catch passes and seemingly take away that obvious advantage??

it was a bad pass...

BTW- bad passes happen. On good teams they are just plays. On bad teams they are big plays.

Wasn’t a great throw it was behind him and the kid made a good catch and he was wide open !!

In comment 13607962 NikkiMac said:

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Wasn’t a great throw it was behind him and the kid made a good catch and he was wide open !!

I'm gonna play devils advocate here. But on the TD pass I think Engram may have drifted in his route. He starts slightly outside the hash marks, is on the hashmarks when eli throws and is slightly inside the hashmarks when he catches it. The ball is pretty much thrown to the hashmarks.

I don't know the specific route he was supposed to run, but it looks like Eli expected him to continue straight up the field.

Now he is a rookie, so route errors are not unexpected. Especially looking back to the QB, wide open, for his first TD.

He caught the ball so all is well, but looking at the play I wouldn't be surprised if he drifted inside a bit too much.

Or perhaps Eli just made a bad pass.....

Grab a football, go outside and try to hit something moving fast without stepping forward...I'll wait.

so what it happens in every game you will watch with every QB. No QB throws it perfectly every time. It was unlucky that the ball bounced straight up and was picked.

Time to move on, this thread is nuts. It was one play. If we were a decent team we'd have 50 or so more plays.

In comment 13608077 PatersonPlank said:

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so what it happens in every game you will watch with every QB. No QB throws it perfectly every time. It was unlucky that the ball bounced straight up and was picked. Time to move on, this thread is nuts. It was one play. If we were a decent team we'd have 50 or so more plays.

Agreed.