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Ereck Flowers story similar to Pro Bowler William Roberts

Elite Mobster #32 : 9/19/2017 3:49 pm
In 1984 The Giants drafted William Roberts in the 1st Round from Ohio State
He was supposed to be a Tackle and was written off as a bust.
He even used 3 different numbers trying to find his way with the Giants # 69,#76 before settling on good old dependable #66. You remember !

He played helped the Giants win 2 Super Bowls against Denver and Buffalo, as his accomplishments also include Pro Bowl.

He was forced in the beginning to be a Tackle.

Once he was switched to Guard his career took off.

Flowers is in the same position he should be playing any other position with the exception to Left Tackle
He may be able to play even Center.
Guard or Right Tackle is college position.

Give him a try at another position he may be able to transition better to Pro Bowler.

I don't understand why people think a switch to RT  
Pep22 : 9/19/2017 3:57 pm : link
or OG will be a cure all.

Not only is he a bad athlete but he doesn't use his strength effectively because his technique is so poor. He is like Kuandijo, Fluker, Greg Robinson etc. meaning his career as an NFL lineman is hanging on by a thread.
Flowers played LT his sophomore and junior years  
figgy2989 : 9/19/2017 3:58 pm : link
He only played RT his freshman year.
RE: I don't understand why people think a switch to RT  
Giantsfan79 : 9/19/2017 4:00 pm : link
In comment 13607284 Pep22 said:
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or OG will be a cure all.

Not only is he a bad athlete but he doesn't use his strength effectively because his technique is so poor. He is like Kuandijo, Fluker, Greg Robinson etc. meaning his career as an NFL lineman is hanging on by a thread.


His shitty hand technique is due to his problem dealing with speed rushers who often line up against the left tackle. the players who line up vs a right tackle or guard rarely have the same speed so in theory Flowers should handle them better.
Bring in a better OL coach  
spike : 9/19/2017 4:11 pm : link
Or move him off LT.

Pugh would do better than Flowers
RE: I don't understand why people think a switch to RT  
Beer Man : 9/19/2017 4:17 pm : link
In comment 13607284 Pep22 said:
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or OG will be a cure all.

Not only is he a bad athlete but he doesn't use his strength effectively because his technique is so poor. He is like Kuandijo, Fluker, Greg Robinson etc. meaning his career as an NFL lineman is hanging on by a thread.
For the same reason other college LTs failed and moved to G or RT and became successful. Put them in the best position to be successful given their skills
He can't play left handed  
Elite Mobster #32 : 9/19/2017 4:31 pm : link
Left Tackle requires a strong left plant foot. There are others who have that he doesn't. Its almost like they should be left handed. That's why its so premium Why not put him where he can help the team benefit.

He can't move laterally to his left side with balance. The Giants are hard headed.
RE: RE: I don't understand why people think a switch to RT  
jvm52106 : 9/19/2017 4:34 pm : link
In comment 13607294 Giantsfan79 said:
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In comment 13607284 Pep22 said:


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or OG will be a cure all.

Not only is he a bad athlete but he doesn't use his strength effectively because his technique is so poor. He is like Kuandijo, Fluker, Greg Robinson etc. meaning his career as an NFL lineman is hanging on by a thread.



His shitty hand technique is due to his problem dealing with speed rushers who often line up against the left tackle. the players who line up vs a right tackle or guard rarely have the same speed so in theory Flowers should handle them better.


Way too tall and not flexible enough to play Center. Not including the fact that he has never played it!
Bill Parcells  
Beer Man : 9/19/2017 4:35 pm : link
Did the same with Eric Moore. Moore didn't make it at LT, but was decent at RG and started on the team that beat the Bills in the SB.
He is not  
jvm52106 : 9/19/2017 4:39 pm : link
William Roberts part two. Roberts was a dancing Bear. He had nimble feet and could get out and around. He was not a good Tackle for whatever reason. He became a guard (and I have used this story and memory as part of other threads about our Oline) in 1988. The Giants moved him to left guard and Jumbo Elliot to LT. Doug Riensenberg was made the Rt after Nelson was injured again and Elliott failed in his one attempt at RT. This becamse the start of the line that OWNED the running game and LOS from end of 88-90 season.

We had 1st Rd Roberts (84), Elliot (2nd Rd 88), Moore (1st RD 88), Riesenberg (87 5th - I believe), Oates (USFL FA), Kratch (3rd Rd 89), Williams (1st rd 89).. Back then the Giants went after the Oline often in the draft.
I tend to agree that Flowers may be a good RG  
Rjanyg : 9/19/2017 4:39 pm : link
He is a pretty strong kid and would be a much needed help on the right side to help with the run game. His experience playing OT will help with inside pressure from stunts.

He might actually be a very good guard and they should try that position ASAP.

Nice comparison EM#32
Billy Roberts Duane parcells  
fansince71 : 9/19/2017 4:40 pm : link
In fact Bill Roberts play was so underwhelming (no starts in his third year) that Duane Parcells made fun of him celebrating after the Super Bowl.
This team went after  
jvm52106 : 9/19/2017 4:41 pm : link
Oline but in odd ways. We don't seem to get guys that fit the style of play we are going to be doing. Flowers needs to be in a power offense and on the right side. He is not a softer playing guy as it is too passive and too mental an approach.
Elite!  
old man : 9/19/2017 6:00 pm : link
BINGO!!!
Thats why RG is his best shot in the NFL.
Roberts  
Marty866b : 9/19/2017 6:06 pm : link
Was a terrific athlete for his size. I've seen him play basketball and he was incredibly coordinated for a big man. Flowers? I just don't think this guy is an NFL player. His technique or lack of won't play much better at guard.
What I don't get  
blueblood'11 : 9/19/2017 6:49 pm : link
When you see the film on this guy and how bad his mechanics how in the world did the Giants draft him in the first round anyway.
William Roberts  
Elite Mobster #32 : 9/19/2017 9:14 pm : link
from Tackle to Guard to Pro Bowl 1990
Link - ( New Window )
RE: This team went after  
BigBlueinChicago : 9/20/2017 9:18 am : link
In comment 13607397 jvm52106 said:
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Oline but in odd ways. We don't seem to get guys that fit the style of play we are going to be doing. Flowers needs to be in a power offense and on the right side. He is not a softer playing guy as it is too passive and too mental an approach.


Now THIS is where we may be on to something.

The Giants drafted him, but it appears his skill set is designed to a strict power game and not that of a guy who can pass protect one-on-one 40+ times where he is exposed more often than not.

However, the team plays that style. So right off the bat, we have a problem. It was like drafting Andre Williams and trying to fit into a passing style offense when he had poor hands and not quick feet. It was doomed to failure.

His strength is his power game. It is likely his future career will be as a power player inside. The problem is the Giants are going to be stubborn to this all the way to the end.

David Diehl on Big Blue Kickoff Live yesterday said that Flowers has not taken one drill as a right tackle as a NYG. So if you think they are just going to move him over there now, that is not happening.

The time to experiment as different positions would have been during the last 8 months just to see what works for flexibility purposes. The fact the Giants figured that was not even an option is their own fault.
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