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M.S. : 9/20/2017 7:32 am
...shit being dished out on this site for the second year coach!?!

Whatever his "failings", they don't come close to the 4+ year fuck-up that has been brewing between our offensive line and Eli Manning.

THAT problem rests squarely on Jerry Reese. His ass should be on the line for a chronic problem he never fixed. He tried... he failed.

Badly.

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RE: Let's all take a breath and remember  
djm : 9/20/2017 11:02 am : link
In comment 13608229 PEEJ said:
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that the Giants' best offensive player was MIA in the past two weeks.


Why not run the TWO TE sets that this team has the personnel to employ when the star WR is hurt and MArshall is ineffective and possibly still banged up himself?

No one can spin this failure to me. It's an awful oversight on McAdoo's part. He's a mess right now. A total mess.
Also, in my opinion the jury is still out on McAdoo  
PatersonPlank : 9/20/2017 11:02 am : link
He DID NOT take the Coughlin 2015 team and turn it into an 11-5 playoff team in 2016. He took Coughlins 2015 team, plus $200M of cash spent on 4 defensive studs, and went 11-5. It was a different team. Plus, if you look, the offense went almost immediately in the tank when Coughlin left. With Coughlin our offense was good but defense bad, with Mac he got Reese to save the D but his offense has sucked.

Again, I do believe the H****ey comparisons are valid until seen otherwise.
and again  
djm : 9/20/2017 11:06 am : link
if the OL is that bad, WHY NOT RUN TWO TE SETS!!!!! Shit, run THREE TE SETS!! They have the personnel!

Nope, let's run end around with Shepard.

By the way the biggest play this offense has made in two weeks was made by the #3 TE. He played ONE snap on monday. One.
one thing I have learned in the 35 years i've watched this game  
djm : 9/20/2017 11:08 am : link
when no one is ever wide open, never...that's a playcalling and coaching problem. Shepard can't get open once? Engram can't be wide open just once downfield where we all say wow what a playcall!

It never happens. The coaching is abysmal.
guys  
djm : 9/20/2017 11:15 am : link
the talent level on this offense from 2014 until today has been upgraded. The only thing that possibly has gotten worse is Eli and since the OP doesn't want to blame him, which is fine, it's fair to say that the talent today is better than 2014 or 2015. So why is the offense dramatically worse? What has changed?

One thing has changed. McAdoo is now the HC. It's his baby now.

This is one of those things that is so simple to see that even an ardent supporter and somewhat pollyanna fan like myself can't ignore the fact that McAdoo has been absolutely terrible here through the first 2 weeks of the season. And when you factor in last year's offensive output, the results are in. There is no mystery. The guy has lost this offense.

Maybe he turns it around. I won't close the book on him but McAdoo needs to take a long hard look at himself and open up that mind of his. He's blowing it.
we're on pace to break every record in the book for offensive futility  
djm : 9/20/2017 11:17 am : link
when is it on the coaching if it isn't now?

Britt may have been right. I didn't want to admit it...and I was happy with the 11 wins last year...but this is alarming.
RE: Rule of Thumb W/NY Sports Media  
djm : 9/20/2017 11:18 am : link
In comment 13608052 Biteymax22 said:
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Win championship = We have the best coach in the sport

Don't Win Championship = Coach needs to be fired



Yeah you left out the little nugget that this offense is on a pace that would shatter futility records.
I would bet $1 that this same exact offense, with Norv Turner  
PatersonPlank : 9/20/2017 11:20 am : link
(or someone like that) would be scoring 25-30 pts per game. Its all on Mac.
People think I've been saying what I've been saying....  
Britt in VA : 9/20/2017 11:25 am : link
because I'm bitter over Coughlin. Could not be farther from the truth. I wanted McAdoo as the replacement, based on what I had seen in 2014-2015.

Please, trust me, nobody wants to be wrong on this more than me. It sickens me watching this offense, and especially wasting Eli's final (and what should be some of his prime) years.
RE: A couple of things  
Reb8thVA : 9/20/2017 11:26 am : link
In comment 13608014 jvm52106 said:
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1) Why can't people question McAdoo and his ability to coach? We were 11-5 last year because of our defense. The Offense was pathetic in many wins (both Dallas games, the Saints game, Ravens and Lions) and has now strung together quite the stretch of offensive ineptitude. His demeanor in press conferences is annoying because it seems FAKE, copy cat almost. You are no BB and do not have his resume (The guy had multiple SB appearances as a DC long before multiple appearances and wins as a HC).

2) I am starting to see a pattern where he does seem like he is throwing ELI under the bus. Not completely but subtly jabs here and there that seem like he has an issue with Eli. Go back to a year ago where he said Eli has to be able to throw from a dirty pocket (meaning guys around him, near his feet etc.) and not all pass plays can be blocked out perfectly. That to me says Eli isn't the kind of QB he likes in his system (he is no Aaron Rodgers, no Wilson, No Winston, Newton etc) as he has very limited mobility. I feel like the stubborn comments about the Oline not as bad as people say is more a comment about ELI not being able to help them by avoiding the rush and throwing on the run. It is almost like he is letting off frustration at being saddled with a QB who he doesn't see in his offense and especially long term.

I truly believe we are seeing the end of ELI in NY or the end of McAdoo as coach. I don't see both being here next year!


I agree. That is where the train seems to be heading.
RE: MS  
Reb8thVA : 9/20/2017 11:28 am : link
In comment 13608144 AnishPatel said:
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I am a Ben M fan but all this shit for a 2nd year coach with god awful talent on the OL isn't his fault. Like I said before you're not making chicken salad with fucking tofu! I can't imagine the thought process of him right now knowing, that you're OL is that god awful and knowing you can't do anything to fix it because they are all bad as a unit.

You can't run block and pass block. That's game, set, match. You can't scheme for that and actually win games.


But isn't it his responsibility to tell the GM what he needs? If he told Reese he was ok with the cast of characters assembled isn't he equally complicit? I have no sympathy for either of them.
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BrettNYG10 : 9/20/2017 11:42 am : link
Sunday's a must win. The team's struggled with its best player MIA the past two weeks. Marshall's been awful and that has nothing to do with the scheme.

I think there's some overreaction - about Reese, McAdoo, and even Eli - based off of two games against two good teams.
Brett  
djm : 9/20/2017 11:48 am : link
why give out 25 million for a blocking TE, while bypassing the FA LT that cost around the same money only to keep the guy on the bench?

That tells me that either McAdoo has fallen out of love with Ellison faster than shit through a goose, or has forgotten he has an embarrassment of riches at the TE position, or forgotten how bad this offense looks in 11 personnel, or never really wanted Ellison in the first place.

Any of the possible scenarios are scary to me.
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BrettNYG10 : 9/20/2017 12:48 pm : link
djm, I don't think McAdoo has done a great job these past two weeks. He deserves a lot of criticism - including the topic you touched on. But I think those looking to run him out of town or think he sucks are overreacting. I don't think we know what we have with him yet. I think the criticisms contained to the past two games - such as yours - are thoughtful and appropriate. Those making sweeping statements about his quality or whether he's in over his head are getting a bit ahead of themselves. We've got plenty of season left to determine that.
RE: Also, in my opinion the jury is still out on McAdoo  
rocco8112 : 9/20/2017 2:21 pm : link
In comment 13608234 PatersonPlank said:
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He DID NOT take the Coughlin 2015 team and turn it into an 11-5 playoff team in 2016. He took Coughlins 2015 team, plus $200M of cash spent on 4 defensive studs, and went 11-5. It was a different team. Plus, if you look, the offense went almost immediately in the tank when Coughlin left. With Coughlin our offense was good but defense bad, with Mac he got Reese to save the D but his offense has sucked.

Again, I do believe the H****ey comparisons are valid until seen otherwise.


I do not know about comparisons to past coaches. But,I see it the same as you. He took a team he did not build that was infused with great talent on the side of the ball he has almost nothing to do with. Last year there was success, but the offense was garbage. Now, the offense is league worst through two games. This in an NFL that favors offense.

The jury is still way out on McAdoo. If nothing changes this week and the Giants get obliterated I would say the jury is back, and with a bad verdict.
why is Jerry Reese always the teflon Don  
Jersey55 : 9/20/2017 4:40 pm : link
when it comes tooth's teams problems, its his job to supply the talent and yet he leaves the O line still the anchor oaths team next to Eli...
Why can't this team score more points?  
joe48 : 9/20/2017 4:53 pm : link
McAdoo is in the 4th year running this scheme and it is not just about the OL and the QB. If he needed OL people he should be telling Reese. WCO does not need OL to block very long and does not run the ball very often. This is a bad scheme for this offense and after 3 years the scheme should have changed to better fit Eli. McAdoo is stubborn or not very smart or wants Eli to fail because it is not working. He is over his head and stubborn. Tries to emulate BB. McAdoo's first OC was with Giants and after 2 years he is HC. Bad move by front office. Acts like he is the smartest guy in the room. He has never won anything.
Why can't this team score more points?  
joe48 : 9/20/2017 4:55 pm : link
McAdoo is in the 4th year running this scheme and it is not just about the OL and the QB. If he needed OL people he should be telling Reese. WCO does not need OL to block very long and does not run the ball very often. This is a bad scheme for this offense and after 3 years the scheme should have changed to better fit Eli. McAdoo is stubborn or not very smart or wants Eli to fail because it is not working. He is over his head and stubborn. Tries to emulate BB. McAdoo's first OC job was with Giants and after 2 years he is HC. Bad move by front office. Acts like he is the smartest guy in the room. He has never won anything. Last year D carried team to 11 wins.
RE: RE: RE: RE: People just keep regurgitating that teams need to be built  
HomerJones45 : 9/20/2017 5:16 pm : link
In comment 13608128 Britt in VA said:
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Our first Superbowl team was absolutely built on that philosophy.

The first thing Coughlin said in his introductory press conference was getting back to "Giants Football" and "controlling the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball".

Within his first year of being here we added Snee, O'hara, and McKenzie, and already had Diehl and Suebert, and then Jacobs and Bradshaw. We have a major power running game and inflicted our will on other teams from the LOS.

We had two RB's go for 1000 yards each in 2008.



And he's building the same thing in JAX right now.



He did it there the first time too.

2nd pick in the 1995 NFL Draft (first draft pick ever for the Jax franchise, Tom Coughlin the GM and Head Coach): Tony Bosselli.
Jax first three picks 2017 draft: RB, OT, DE.
4 year F-up?  
Matt M. : 9/20/2017 5:50 pm : link
Eli had 2 of his best seasons in 2014 and 2015 and the offense was in the top 10 in the league. I'm sorry, but 2016 and the first 2 games this year don't seem to me to be the same offense with about the same OL and more talent elsewhere.

You know, McAdoo has to be at least partially responsible for the personnel, both who we sign/draft and more importantly who makes the team and who plays. The OK was a disaster all summer, yet we start the same 5. We had some success in Week 1 with a TH or TE in the backfield and reverted back to 11 personnel most of the game on Monday. These are coaching decisions.
RE: A couple of things  
DisgruntledGiantsfan : 9/20/2017 6:35 pm : link
In comment 13608014 jvm52106 said:
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1) Why can't people question McAdoo and his ability to coach? We were 11-5 last year because of our defense. The Offense was pathetic in many wins (both Dallas games, the Saints game, Ravens and Lions) and has now strung together quite the stretch of offensive ineptitude. His demeanor in press conferences is annoying because it seems FAKE, copy cat almost. You are no BB and do not have his resume (The guy had multiple SB appearances as a DC long before multiple appearances and wins as a HC).

2) I am starting to see a pattern where he does seem like he is throwing ELI under the bus. Not completely but subtly jabs here and there that seem like he has an issue with Eli. Go back to a year ago where he said Eli has to be able to throw from a dirty pocket (meaning guys around him, near his feet etc.) and not all pass plays can be blocked out perfectly. That to me says Eli isn't the kind of QB he likes in his system (he is no Aaron Rodgers, no Wilson, No Winston, Newton etc) as he has very limited mobility. I feel like the stubborn comments about the Oline not as bad as people say is more a comment about ELI not being able to help them by avoiding the rush and throwing on the run. It is almost like he is letting off frustration at being saddled with a QB who he doesn't see in his offense and especially long term.

I truly believe we are seeing the end of ELI in NY or the end of McAdoo as coach. I don't see both being here next year!


His demeanor is annoying in pressers because he speaks a lot but says absolutely nothing except tired cliches and he comes off as completely obtuse.

We'd like to think that he does this because he doesn't want to give anything away but given that nothing has seemed to change over several weeks with the offense, it seems more likely that he IS completely obtuse.
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