A: Yeah, we can’t keep doing the same thing over and over again. That’s insanity. It’s not working. So, we are going to look to make some changes this week, like we did last week. Maybe it will be a little more drastic this week to use your word. If that means me giving up play calling duties, that’s something we will look at, that we’ll talk about.
if we had a good offensive coordinator instead of a retread who did a terrible job in Tampa. Still, sometimes people do better when they get another shot and we really have nothing to lose at this point.
on his game management as well. It may be better to have someone else helping. Its not like he cant still dictate what he wants done. I think it would help.
to have Flowers give up his duties as LT, have B Marshall accept his duties as WR, and have Ellison get off the bench. What a joke, why'd they sign this guy if they're not going to play him? Awful
part of being a head coach is knowing how to delegate things that may have previously been within your wheelhouse as a coordinator. this can allow ben to focus on managing the game, motivating his players etc and per my other thread, hopefully Sullivan is willing to mix up the formations more and stick with the running game.
to have Flowers give up his duties as LT, have B Marshall accept his duties as WR, and have Ellison get off the bench. What a joke, why'd they sign this guy if they're not going to play him? Awful
Marshall accept his duties at WR?! What position has he been playing?
This coach was the wrong hire from the get go but he sold FO on the idea that his scheme did not need a good OL. Whoever approved his hire did not understand the impact this WCO would have on Eli. So hear we are 4 years later and we have a guy who thinks he is Bill Bellicek Jr.
to have Flowers give up his duties as LT, have B Marshall accept his duties as WR, and have Ellison get off the bench. What a joke, why'd they sign this guy if they're not going to play him? Awful
Marshall accept his duties at WR?! What position has he been playing?
but he's been an NFL coach for 15 years. The last 2 with Ben. This ain't astro-physics. If can't call plays in this offense then either he should be canned or the offense needs to be simplified.
Guys drop passes you know - and from the sound of it, he was pretty clear that he messed up and let the entire team down.
He's had 2 games now to make some difference with OB out. He's not open, he drops passes when they do come. Granted, EM has 1.5 seconds to scan the field and throw so I'll give him that. Very disappointed as I was very high on this FA signing. Oh well.
Guys drop passes you know - and from the sound of it, he was pretty clear that he messed up and let the entire team down.
He's had 2 games now to make some difference with OB out. He's not open, he drops passes when they do come. Granted, EM has 1.5 seconds to scan the field and throw so I'll give him that. Very disappointed as I was very high on this FA signing. Oh well.
You can't say in the same sentence, he does not get open, and when he is open he drops the pass.
He gets open. In game 1 he was open and Eli missed. In game 2 he got open and dropped a perfect pass.
Guys drop passes you know - and from the sound of it, he was pretty clear that he messed up and let the entire team down.
He's had 2 games now to make some difference with OB out. He's not open, he drops passes when they do come. Granted, EM has 1.5 seconds to scan the field and throw so I'll give him that. Very disappointed as I was very high on this FA signing. Oh well.
You can't say in the same sentence, he does not get open, and when he is open he drops the pass.
He gets open. In game 1 he was open and Eli missed. In game 2 he got open and dropped a perfect pass.
OK, whatever, he's been great. A real addition to the offense and difference maker.
HC doesnt have time to constantly sit with Eli and go over how to adjust on the fly. Thats the job of the coordinator. How often have you seen sully and the hc talk on the sideline?
Eli used to have direct access to the play caller and make adjustments. And with the Miami - Odell pass, the players freelanced and drew that up on the side themselves without consulting. If you think of your org management it makes little sense to have a coordinator that does not feel empowered to make the best calls based on conditions on the field. The coordinator has the best opportunity to work with the team and make those calls. the head coach has two other units to think about, and then some.
Time to give up control Ben and do whats best for the team.
RE: I actually think Eli and the coordinator talk a TON during the game Â
HC doesnt have time to constantly sit with Eli and go over how to adjust on the fly. Thats the job of the coordinator. How often have you seen sully and the hc talk on the sideline?
Eli used to have direct access to the play caller and make adjustments. And with the Miami - Odell pass, the players freelanced and drew that up on the side themselves without consulting. If you think of your org management it makes little sense to have a coordinator that does not feel empowered to make the best calls based on conditions on the field. The coordinator has the best opportunity to work with the team and make those calls. the head coach has two other units to think about, and then some.
Time to give up control Ben and do whats best for the team.
if Sully and Eli are seeing some things that they like but McAdoo is not a part of those conversations and doesn't know what they're discussing, his play calls may be audibled out of, or Eli may be anticipating certain looks that McAdoo isn't. As Matt said - it's time for Coach McAdoo to hand over the playcalling duties.
It's also the smart move if he wants to extend his career. When you take on all the playcalling duties it's on you if things fail. With things failing on offense, McAdoo needs to be planning for a fall guy (sorry Coach Sullivan).
This coach was the wrong hire from the get go but he sold FO on the idea that his scheme did not need a good OL. Whoever approved his hire did not understand the impact this WCO would have on Eli. So hear we are 4 years later and we have a guy who thinks he is Bill Bellicek Jr.
That impact was perfectly fine in 2014 and 2015.
It's not the WCO, in the abstract, that's the problem.
It's beating a dead horse, but they really fucked up not hiring Â
You know the Giants have real deep issues on offense when you have to give up play calling to Sullivan?! This Org has some major issues and it starts with the coaching staff. They need a new HC to come in with his own new staff. Can't stand whats going on with this team..
I'll believe it when I see it.
Maybe - but you have to at least try.
Sullivan called the plays in the last preseason game. It was backup vs backup, but the Giants put up 40.
With the No Huddle, the defense would barely have time to quaff a cup of Gatorade before having to take the field after a 3 and out.
Marshall accept his duties at WR?! What position has he been playing?
You don't know that. Anything would be an improvement.
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to have Flowers give up his duties as LT, have B Marshall accept his duties as WR, and have Ellison get off the bench. What a joke, why'd they sign this guy if they're not going to play him? Awful
Marshall accept his duties at WR?! What position has he been playing?
Is lollygagger a position in the NFL?
He's had 2 games now to make some difference with OB out. He's not open, he drops passes when they do come. Granted, EM has 1.5 seconds to scan the field and throw so I'll give him that. Very disappointed as I was very high on this FA signing. Oh well.
At this point it is almost a contest who can do the worst ...
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Guys drop passes you know - and from the sound of it, he was pretty clear that he messed up and let the entire team down.
He's had 2 games now to make some difference with OB out. He's not open, he drops passes when they do come. Granted, EM has 1.5 seconds to scan the field and throw so I'll give him that. Very disappointed as I was very high on this FA signing. Oh well.
You can't say in the same sentence, he does not get open, and when he is open he drops the pass.
He gets open. In game 1 he was open and Eli missed. In game 2 he got open and dropped a perfect pass.
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Guys drop passes you know - and from the sound of it, he was pretty clear that he messed up and let the entire team down.
He's had 2 games now to make some difference with OB out. He's not open, he drops passes when they do come. Granted, EM has 1.5 seconds to scan the field and throw so I'll give him that. Very disappointed as I was very high on this FA signing. Oh well.
You can't say in the same sentence, he does not get open, and when he is open he drops the pass.
He gets open. In game 1 he was open and Eli missed. In game 2 he got open and dropped a perfect pass.
OK, whatever, he's been great. A real addition to the offense and difference maker.
Yup, I said this yesterday. Have to pick up the tempo!! Do it Big Mc!
Eli used to have direct access to the play caller and make adjustments. And with the Miami - Odell pass, the players freelanced and drew that up on the side themselves without consulting. If you think of your org management it makes little sense to have a coordinator that does not feel empowered to make the best calls based on conditions on the field. The coordinator has the best opportunity to work with the team and make those calls. the head coach has two other units to think about, and then some.
Time to give up control Ben and do whats best for the team.
Eli used to have direct access to the play caller and make adjustments. And with the Miami - Odell pass, the players freelanced and drew that up on the side themselves without consulting. If you think of your org management it makes little sense to have a coordinator that does not feel empowered to make the best calls based on conditions on the field. The coordinator has the best opportunity to work with the team and make those calls. the head coach has two other units to think about, and then some.
Time to give up control Ben and do whats best for the team.
Good post Matt.
It's also the smart move if he wants to extend his career. When you take on all the playcalling duties it's on you if things fail. With things failing on offense, McAdoo needs to be planning for a fall guy (sorry Coach Sullivan).
That impact was perfectly fine in 2014 and 2015.
It's not the WCO, in the abstract, that's the problem.
Sullivan can't do much worse, but he's not likely going help anything either, if it comes to that.
Legitimate question mick ...
What do we actually know about Sully's abilities in this area? Is there something that would indicate it won't work?