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The second 4th down play..

ajr2456 : 9/20/2017 9:48 am
From the all-22 it looks like he would have had Sheppard for a big gain.
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eh, the ball was basically out when the safety vacated the area  
giants#1 : 9/20/2017 9:52 am : link
also doubt the protection, even against a 3 man rush, holds up long enough for Eli to work all the way back across the field.
Eli has to stop staring down receivers,  
Doomster : 9/20/2017 10:09 am : link
and use a pump fake once in awhile...
RE: eh, the ball was basically out when the safety vacated the area  
ajr2456 : 9/20/2017 10:14 am : link
In comment 13608116 giants#1 said:
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also doubt the protection, even against a 3 man rush, holds up long enough for Eli to work all the way back across the field.


We're talking like a half second longer and on the back shoulder the safety probably wont make a play.
Not sure if this has been discussed but I just remembered  
Knee of Theismann : 9/20/2017 10:14 am : link
On the first 4th down play, it looked like Vereen had a good chance to score if we got the play off. He had 1-on-1 with a linebacker who was playing a bit off the line of scrimmage and it looked like the middle of the field was open. Looked like one of those plays where he might fake an out pattern and cut across the middle and Eli would have hit him for 6. I know this is all speculations but I'm just wondering if anyone else saw the same thing or if I am mistaken.
RE: Not sure if this has been discussed but I just remembered  
ajr2456 : 9/20/2017 10:26 am : link
In comment 13608175 Knee of Theismann said:
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On the first 4th down play, it looked like Vereen had a good chance to score if we got the play off. He had 1-on-1 with a linebacker who was playing a bit off the line of scrimmage and it looked like the middle of the field was open. Looked like one of those plays where he might fake an out pattern and cut across the middle and Eli would have hit him for 6. I know this is all speculations but I'm just wondering if anyone else saw the same thing or if I am mistaken.


If you click on that link you can see the thread, but on the first 4th down it looked like he might have been able to hit Marshall sitting down in a zone well past the sticks.
RE: Eli has to stop staring down receivers,  
BigBlue2112 : 9/20/2017 10:26 am : link
In comment 13608159 Doomster said:
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and use a pump fake once in awhile...


I don't think he has time for a pump fake.
This isn't an isolated incident.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 9/20/2017 11:16 am : link
There were plays like this during the Dallas game too. Eli has left some possible big gainers on the field. Then again, he hits Marshall and the fucking guy drops the ball. That's what happens when everyone is playing like shit.
Eli does not have time to go through the progressions  
PatersonPlank : 9/20/2017 11:18 am : link
He has not time, so of course he needs to find a way to make the 1st (or at most 2nd) read work.
RE: Eli does not have time to go through the progressions  
ajr2456 : 9/20/2017 12:38 pm : link
In comment 13608265 PatersonPlank said:
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He has not time, so of course he needs to find a way to make the 1st (or at most 2nd) read work.


Yes the offensive line is hot garbage. But he has time here. He has to notice when he has a clean pocket and go through progressions. This is a vet, not a rookie.
The difference between Eli and Simms...  
Thunderstruck27 : 9/20/2017 2:01 pm : link
Mind you, I've only been a fan since the 80s, but I remember Simms going through progressions and throwing in the face of pressure without looking scared. He took a lot of hits...and maybe his career ended because of it, but, he found the open receiver more than not...and he didn't have guys named Beckham and Marshall on his team.
Game plan is dont take risks and move the chains  
Youtoo : 9/20/2017 2:11 pm : link
There was safety help over the top. If the throw is not perfect, shepard gets plastered and incomplete.

Bereen did a shit job on that play. He did not push it did enough. Should have gone 2 more steps and he did not have to come back for the ball. That was stupid.
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