Shane Smith hardly plays at all. Ellison played 39% of the snaps week 1. 34% week 2. Shane Smith barely plays at all.
Beckham has been hurt. The Giants have Ellison a ton of money in the offseason. The Giants OL and running game is stuck in neutral. Ellison, from all accounts had a great camp. He caught everything. He blocked everyone. Now he is all but an after thought. And again, Beckham has been hurt so it's not like the Giants have the holy trinity of WRs sitting there needing burn, and Marshall has fucking sucked on top things.
Not one media member asked McAdoo this question. I'll tell you right now, you can bet your ass Reese is asking McAdoo WTF he's doing with the offense...
Not McAdoo would give us any kind of legit answer or anything.
Am I the only one losing his mind over Ellison's lack of playing time???? This offense is BEGGING for the TE sets. They have TWO if not THREE legit TEs on the roster!!! What the hell is going on...
McAdoo is scaring the hell out of me. WHy carry a FB if he isn't going to play? Why spend 25 million on a TE that is playing less than Bear Pascoe! WTf...I still haven't cooled off from MNF.
Ellison, sorry, thanks for coming, but you're nothing more than Bob Morasko here. FB? Who needs a FB. Not this team.
McAdoo needs to give up the diner menu. And now. No more playcalling there Ben. Just do what you do...motivate. No more playcalling. No more. Please.
I thought the idea was for Engram to be used in a variety of way, including being placed in the slot at times to create matchup problems against slower LB's or undersized slot CB's or safeties? Allowing Ellison to play the role of blocker.
So far, it just looks like Engram is simply running Tye's routes from last year and just doing it with more speed.
I am as loyal and supportive and patient as any Giants fan. I always give the HC time and plenty of rope, especially if the guy wins like Ben did last year. Not now. If this guy doesn't change his approach I am done with him. I'd take Jim Fassel over this guy and not think twice.
He's running things so poorly on offense it's actually unbelievable to me. I would not have believed any of it if you told me this back in June.
Run two TEs! Fuck Marshall or Shepard. This isn't Jerry Rice and Dwight Clark circa 1985 here.
WHy the hell did they sign Ellison then?
This offense needs more toughness on every down. It's begging for Ellison and Engram to be a focal point and you can still rotate in the big 3 at WR and get them plenty of burn. Plenty. There's no reason to ignore Ellison here. None.
The guy is lost. It's clear.
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means less Engram if in 1 TE or less Shepard if 2 TEs. Same for Shane, it means less for those 3 players. Doesn't mean they shouldn't do that to add more diversity to the O, but it does come at a cost for snaps for other key players.
I thought the idea was for Engram to be used in a variety of way, including being placed in the slot at times to create matchup problems against slower LB's or undersized slot CB's or safeties? Allowing Ellison to play the role of blocker.
So far, it just looks like Engram is simply running Tye's routes from last year and just doing it with more speed.
And that too! You can use Engram as the H back and take the god awful RBs off the field. Run Engram or Ellison out of the H --line the other TE inline and use Shep, Beck and Marshall...
It's fucking sickening to me how badly McAdoo has mucked things up. This offense has NO identity. None. It has no cohesion. No imagination. It's just 11 all night long and they run the same pop gun horse shit offense and fail and fail and fail and fail. Rinse. Repeat.
This is bad.
As for Ellison, he may be a good blocker, but he is s slug like Tye....
Ellison can catch the ball too. But why let that stop McAdoo.
He's barely playing. He's probably missing blocks if he's lined up as the FB.
Line the guy up inline and let him lock into his man. It can't be worse can it?
So either Ellison can't block and was a waste of money or McAdoo just refuses to budge from his 11.
They should be able to create different packages and looks to confuse defenses placed on personnel. They did exactly that on the Engram TD.
If I remember correctly they started out in an 11 personnel. 3 WR's, 1 TE and 1 RB. The RB is Darkwa. They moved Engram into the HB/FB sport. This dictates to the defense 20 Personnel (3wr's, 2 RB's ) and with Darkwa it indicated a run scheme.
Engram goes THROUGH the line, Eli play fakes to Darkwa.. Freezes the LB's and draws the safeties up because of the run key.. Engram runs past.. He is too fast for them to recover.. Easy TD..
The Giants should be able to do things like this ALL THE TIME!!!
I'm with that. Helps protect your QB too.
Look at the last two games.......we get down there and punching it in is very important.
Versus Dallas...you score, it's 13-7. An entirely new game.
Same for Detroit....yous score and it's 17-14.
Instead, we go spread formation on the first play each time.
You can throw to TE's on LB's.....that's a huge advantage esp with an athletic guy like Engram.
This is a disaster. This offense has the personnel to perform at a higher level. I am certain of it.
Look at the last two games.......we get down there and punching it in is very important.
Versus Dallas...you score, it's 13-7. An entirely new game.
Same for Detroit....yous score and it's 17-14.
Instead, we go spread formation on the first play each time.
You can throw to TE's on LB's.....that's a huge advantage esp with an athletic guy like Engram.
Or a 6'5" Ellison or a 6'5" Adams
And show me a play where targeting him has NOT resulted in a 10 yard gain.
You are right, Ellison needs more playing time.
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..and I continue to harp on it, not using double TE and the FB in goal line situations.
Look at the last two games.......we get down there and punching it in is very important.
Versus Dallas...you score, it's 13-7. An entirely new game.
Same for Detroit....yous score and it's 17-14.
Instead, we go spread formation on the first play each time.
You can throw to TE's on LB's.....that's a huge advantage esp with an athletic guy like Engram.
Or a 6'5" Ellison or a 6'5" Adams
Furthermore...wasn't it New England that seemed to be going to a more TE offense a few years ago?
We have three pretty good ones I think....ones that could exploit LB's or smaller DB's.
This is where a good coach adapts and reacts to what is happening.
Coaching is going to pull us out of this funk, if it's to happen.
And show me a play where targeting him has NOT resulted in a 10 yard gain.
You are right, Ellison needs more playing time.
It's particularly puzzling given Beckham's injury. They seem to be choosing to stay in an 11 and use the #4 WR rather than increase snap counts for the FB and/or TE.
BTW, Smith is getting a lot of snaps on STs, so he's not totally going to waste.
And show me a play where targeting him has NOT resulted in a 10 yard gain.
You are right, Ellison needs more playing time.
I agree. He looks like an excellent pickup and could be used more.
And show me a play where targeting him has NOT resulted in a 10 yard gain.
You are right, Ellison needs more playing time.
THANK YOU!
That to me speaks of the personality of what they are trying to stubbornly do on offense to little success.
They want to keep pushing the ball rather than slow themselves down and settle for 5 to 6 yard gains to get the ball down the field.
That would be the only reason. When they go to 2 TE or 2 WR or even 3 TE, he is not truly committed to that because that is not what he believes in.
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and the team's biggest weakness is....blocking.
And show me a play where targeting him has NOT resulted in a 10 yard gain.
You are right, Ellison needs more playing time.
THANK YOU!
We can all complain about Flowers but this kid has not been given any support (except in press conferences). Why Ellison isn't lined up to provide help is beyond me. Robinson struggled with Vernon. Lions gave TE help. What a novel idea!
Look at the last two games.......we get down there and punching it in is very important.
Versus Dallas...you score, it's 13-7. An entirely new game.
Same for Detroit....yous score and it's 17-14.
Instead, we go spread formation on the first play each time.
You can throw to TE's on LB's.....that's a huge advantage esp with an athletic guy like Engram.
Look at the last two games.......we get down there and punching it in is very important.
Versus Dallas...you score, it's 13-7. An entirely new game.
Same for Detroit....yous score and it's 17-14.
Instead, we go spread formation on the first play each time.
You can throw to TE's on LB's.....that's a huge advantage esp with an athletic guy like Engram.
We are sharing a brain on this one from the 2 yard line you should be in a power formation and run it 4 times if you have to..same thing in dallas from the 4 yard line you run it 4 freaking times from a 2 or 3 TE formation with the FB in there in front of Darkwa. Think of the boost it would have given the offensive line that desperately needs something to feel good about
If you guys expect Ellison to be some vast improvement, good luck.
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means less Engram if in 1 TE or less Shepard if 2 TEs. Same for Shane, it means less for those 3 players. Doesn't mean they shouldn't do that to add more diversity to the O, but it does come at a cost for snaps for other key players.
Run two TEs! Fuck Marshall or Shepard. This isn't Jerry Rice and Dwight Clark circa 1985 here.
WHy the hell did they sign Ellison then?
This offense needs more toughness on every down. It's begging for Ellison and Engram to be a focal point and you can still rotate in the big 3 at WR and get them plenty of burn. Plenty. There's no reason to ignore Ellison here. None.
The guy is lost. It's clear.
I read that post like this scene, what can you do at this point other than laugh?
"Mortimer, your brother is not well..."
"F-ck him!"
If you guys expect Ellison to be some vast improvement, good luck.
So now BBI hates Ellison? smh...