if we did end up with the #1 pick, which I don't think will happen, you'd have to take a potential franchise QB, esp since ours is in the latter stages of his career.
we do want to replace Eli, which is unlikely next year, we don't need the number one pick to get a blue chip QB prospect. There will be 4 or more in the first round this coming year.
And we're are talking about having the first overall pick.
JFC. I'm not even mad @ the OP because it's not that outlandish.
God, this season has sucked.
For the record, I don't see the Giants having the number one overall pick. And lets not panic after week 2. It's looks bad, but a lot of football left to go here.
But cmon, it's a bit much to be talking first overall pick after two games. The 2007 Giants looked like shit early on, too. Just switch "awful offense" for "awful defense", and the situation is pretty much the same.
The following QBs all came along within a ten year period (2000-2009):
Tom Brady
Drew Brees
Tony Romo
Eli Manning
Phillip Rivers
Ben Roethlisberger
Aaron Rodgers
Matt Ryan
And that's not even including guys who have been very good for years, such as Carson Palmer, Alex Smith and Matthew Stafford.
Once every ten years? You sure about that? Might want to walk that one back.
I'd add Andrew Luck to that list. Indy sucks but Luck can play!!
Luck was drafted in 2012 so including him would push Brady (2000) and Brees (2001) off the list. I was sticking to a ten year period to work within the "once every ten years" suggestion of the OP.
And we're are talking about having the first overall pick.
JFC. I'm not even mad @ the OP because it's not that outlandish.
God, this season has sucked.
For the record, I don't see the Giants having the number one overall pick. And lets not panic after week 2. It's looks bad, but a lot of football left to go here.
I don't think we will either, but it's not THAT outlandish. Farfetched? Yes, most certainly. Totally unrealistic? Sadly no.
1) WE aren't getting the first pick
2) if we did, you 100% take Darnold, no questions asked
3) Webb has done nothing to warrant stopping Darnold from being picked
4) The player who said "once every 10 years" meant individual teams get a shot at a franchise qb once every ten years
RE: Great lets get more skill players who won't be able to function
behind the line. That will be a good use of a top pick. We need to draft OL, then OL again.
yeah come draft time..everyone poo-poos it, ol, because theyre not worth it like a sexy skill player like a wr...then come season and like now..they say: "WHAT happened? why is ol bad?" etc etc rinse and repeat
1) WE aren't getting the first pick
2) if we did, you 100% take Darnold, no questions asked
3) Webb has done nothing to warrant stopping Darnold from being picked
4) The player who said "once every 10 years" meant individual teams get a shot at a franchise qb once every ten years
Yup to all of this and you sign the best FA OT to protect him
RE: RE: Great lets get more skill players who won't be able to function
behind the line. That will be a good use of a top pick. We need to draft OL, then OL again.
yeah come draft time..everyone poo-poos it, ol, because theyre not worth it like a sexy skill player like a wr...then come season and like now..they say: "WHAT happened? why is ol bad?" etc etc rinse and repeat
A franchise blue chip QB has more value than any other position on the field. If NYG winds up picking top 5, they're most likely looking to plug Eli's successor into the pipeline.
Some people may not want to face it, but there is a fine line between 8 - 8 and 6 - 10 and you don't need to look hard to see how 6 - 10 can become 5 - 11 or even 4 - 12 with a couple bad bounces.
As for who they should take I'll leave that to the "experts" but the Giants with the #1 overall pick would be a shock, top 5 pick, only a mild surprise IMO.
1) WE aren't getting the first pick
2) if we did, you 100% take Darnold, no questions asked
3) Webb has done nothing to warrant stopping Darnold from being picked 4) The player who said "once every 10 years" meant individual teams get a shot at a franchise qb once every ten years
How do you know what he meant? If that's what he meant, it would have been just as easy to word it exactly as you did. But that's not what he said, so I don't think that's what he meant.
1) WE aren't getting the first pick
2) if we did, you 100% take Darnold, no questions asked
3) Webb has done nothing to warrant stopping Darnold from being picked
4) The player who said "once every 10 years" meant individual teams get a shot at a franchise qb once every ten years
Yup to all of this and you sign the best FA OT to protect him
I think you also draft the best OL with the first pick of the 2nd round. OT, OG or C....doesn't matter. 3rd round RB too.
our offensive line might be top ten alltime league worst, were pretty bad. Poor defense. Am i crazy stating this? Ive never seen a line that cant block the run or pass at all so consistantly.
he told me during the game, ive listened to you tell me how bad your oline is, but didnt quite realize the magnitude of suckage. Thats coming from a guy thats seen his share of shitty oline play
1) WE aren't getting the first pick
2) if we did, you 100% take Darnold, no questions asked
3) Webb has done nothing to warrant stopping Darnold from being picked
4) The player who said "once every 10 years" meant individual teams get a shot at a franchise qb once every ten years
Yes i said it. Here we go again. I've watched two UCLA and USC games this season so far, and yes Webb looked just as good his last year at Cal as these guys have. Drafting a QB is a crap shoot. One of these two will likely not be that good. If you list out the top 10 college QB's, probably 6 don't cut it, and we can see already the hype around some of these guys doesn't cut it (the Wyoming guy is one example).
In true BBI fashion you make it sound like any opinion differing from yours is idiotic and not valid enough for debate. My point is we have the worst OL in football, and we have a rookie QB who so far has looked the part. He still has a ways to go, however he is already a step ahead of the crap shoot of college QB's you would list. 6 out of the top 10 won't even get as far as Webb.
I like Webb so far. I would invest our top pick on the best OL player in the draft and make Webb #2 behind Manning next season. IMO, and its my opinion, that is a better way to build a team then use the #1 to draft a QB. Behind this line he'd be useless anyway, and there is no saying he'd be better than what we have in Webb. If we didn't have Webb I would agree with should take a QB, but that is not the case.
Will draft another "weapon".
He's afraid of drafting OL and LB.
This is as false as your last statement that franchise QBs only come alone once every 10 years.
Reese has spent 2 #1 picks and #2 picks on OL in the past 10 years alone. He's not "afraid" to draft OL. He and his staff may be poor at choosing the right OL, but he's not afraid to pull the trigger.
As for LB, the way the Giants' defensive scheme is set up, they prioritize DL and DB. That leaves LB as an adequacy position. And they've done just fine under Spags treating it as such.
Why don't you try learning a little more about football before your next post?
And we get a thread about the first pick. Another example of why most of us fans should never be taken too seriously when we speak about our favorite teams.
But I ll play. It s always about a franchise quarterback, it s not even a debate.
Id don't know what films or games you're looking at but Webb last season does not compare to the abilities of either Rosen or Darnold. Sorry,not even close. Does Webb have the potential to be as good or better then the other two? That's the question the Giants would have to know if they falter enough this year to have a choice of quarterbacks but off their college games,you can't compare Webb to the other two.
1) WE aren't getting the first pick
2) if we did, you 100% take Darnold, no questions asked
3) Webb has done nothing to warrant stopping Darnold from being picked
4) The player who said "once every 10 years" meant individual teams get a shot at a franchise qb once every ten years
Yes i said it. Here we go again. I've watched two UCLA and USC games this season so far, and yes Webb looked just as good his last year at Cal as these guys have. Drafting a QB is a crap shoot. One of these two will likely not be that good. If you list out the top 10 college QB's, probably 6 don't cut it, and we can see already the hype around some of these guys doesn't cut it (the Wyoming guy is one example).
In true BBI fashion you make it sound like any opinion differing from yours is idiotic and not valid enough for debate. My point is we have the worst OL in football, and we have a rookie QB who so far has looked the part. He still has a ways to go, however he is already a step ahead of the crap shoot of college QB's you would list. 6 out of the top 10 won't even get as far as Webb.
I like Webb so far. I would invest our top pick on the best OL player in the draft and make Webb #2 behind Manning next season. IMO, and its my opinion, that is a better way to build a team then use the #1 to draft a QB. Behind this line he'd be useless anyway, and there is no saying he'd be better than what we have in Webb. If we didn't have Webb I would agree with should take a QB, but that is not the case.
Then I don't know what you're watching, cause its different from what I see. Darnold looks amazing on the field, he can scramble like rodgers and keep great vision downfield while be reading to throw with a lightning quick release at ANY time, he's athletic, and off the field, he's like Eli.
Darnolds don't come often. We saw how the gamble in 04 played out. If you get a top 4-5 pick, trade what you can to get him.
The following QBs all came along within a ten year period (2000-2009):
Tom Brady
Drew Brees
Tony Romo
Eli Manning
Phillip Rivers
Ben Roethlisberger
Aaron Rodgers
Matt Ryan
And that's not even including guys who have been very good for years, such as Carson Palmer, Alex Smith and Matthew Stafford.
Once every ten years? You sure about that? Might want to walk that one back.
You named 8 guys. There are 32 teams. Not sure if my math is right, but if only 8 guys come out every 10 years - and there's 32 teams in the league - I think that means you only get a franchise QB once every 40 years.
The following QBs all came along within a ten year period (2000-2009):
Tom Brady
Drew Brees
Tony Romo
Eli Manning
Phillip Rivers
Ben Roethlisberger
Aaron Rodgers
Matt Ryan
And that's not even including guys who have been very good for years, such as Carson Palmer, Alex Smith and Matthew Stafford.
Once every ten years? You sure about that? Might want to walk that one back.
You named 8 guys. There are 32 teams. Not sure if my math is right, but if only 8 guys come out every 10 years - and there's 32 teams in the league - I think that means you only get a franchise QB once every 40 years.
No?
He didn't say "per team" - not sure why you would add that caveat.
The following QBs all came along within a ten year period (2000-2009):
Tom Brady
Drew Brees
Tony Romo
Eli Manning
Phillip Rivers
Ben Roethlisberger
Aaron Rodgers
Matt Ryan
And that's not even including guys who have been very good for years, such as Carson Palmer, Alex Smith and Matthew Stafford.
Once every ten years? You sure about that? Might want to walk that one back.
JFC. I'm not even mad @ the OP because it's not that outlandish.
God, this season has sucked.
JFC. I'm not even mad @ the OP because it's not that outlandish.
God, this season has sucked.
For the record, I don't see the Giants having the number one overall pick. And lets not panic after week 2. It's looks bad, but a lot of football left to go here.
The following QBs all came along within a ten year period (2000-2009):
Tom Brady
Drew Brees
Tony Romo
Eli Manning
Phillip Rivers
Ben Roethlisberger
Aaron Rodgers
Matt Ryan
And that's not even including guys who have been very good for years, such as Carson Palmer, Alex Smith and Matthew Stafford.
Once every ten years? You sure about that? Might want to walk that one back.
I'd add Andrew Luck to that list. Indy sucks but Luck can play!!
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Huh?
The following QBs all came along within a ten year period (2000-2009):
Tom Brady
Drew Brees
Tony Romo
Eli Manning
Phillip Rivers
Ben Roethlisberger
Aaron Rodgers
Matt Ryan
And that's not even including guys who have been very good for years, such as Carson Palmer, Alex Smith and Matthew Stafford.
Once every ten years? You sure about that? Might want to walk that one back.
I'd add Andrew Luck to that list. Indy sucks but Luck can play!!
Luck was drafted in 2012 so including him would push Brady (2000) and Brees (2001) off the list. I was sticking to a ten year period to work within the "once every ten years" suggestion of the OP.
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And we're are talking about having the first overall pick.
JFC. I'm not even mad @ the OP because it's not that outlandish.
God, this season has sucked.
For the record, I don't see the Giants having the number one overall pick. And lets not panic after week 2. It's looks bad, but a lot of football left to go here.
I don't think we will either, but it's not THAT outlandish. Farfetched? Yes, most certainly. Totally unrealistic? Sadly no.
1) WE aren't getting the first pick
2) if we did, you 100% take Darnold, no questions asked
3) Webb has done nothing to warrant stopping Darnold from being picked
4) The player who said "once every 10 years" meant individual teams get a shot at a franchise qb once every ten years
yeah come draft time..everyone poo-poos it, ol, because theyre not worth it like a sexy skill player like a wr...then come season and like now..they say: "WHAT happened? why is ol bad?" etc etc rinse and repeat
1) WE aren't getting the first pick
2) if we did, you 100% take Darnold, no questions asked
3) Webb has done nothing to warrant stopping Darnold from being picked
4) The player who said "once every 10 years" meant individual teams get a shot at a franchise qb once every ten years
Yup to all of this and you sign the best FA OT to protect him
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behind the line. That will be a good use of a top pick. We need to draft OL, then OL again.
yeah come draft time..everyone poo-poos it, ol, because theyre not worth it like a sexy skill player like a wr...then come season and like now..they say: "WHAT happened? why is ol bad?" etc etc rinse and repeat
A franchise blue chip QB has more value than any other position on the field. If NYG winds up picking top 5, they're most likely looking to plug Eli's successor into the pipeline.
SD was 5 - 11 in 2016 and had the 7th pick.
Jets were 5 - 11 in 2016 and had the 6th pick.
the Rams at 4 - 12 were #5.
Some people may not want to face it, but there is a fine line between 8 - 8 and 6 - 10 and you don't need to look hard to see how 6 - 10 can become 5 - 11 or even 4 - 12 with a couple bad bounces.
As for who they should take I'll leave that to the "experts" but the Giants with the #1 overall pick would be a shock, top 5 pick, only a mild surprise IMO.
Stop it. Like him or not (and even acknowledging his postseason failures), he was a franchise QB.
Even if you want to take him off, there's still plenty on the list to show that "once every ten years" is false.
1) WE aren't getting the first pick
2) if we did, you 100% take Darnold, no questions asked
3) Webb has done nothing to warrant stopping Darnold from being picked
4) The player who said "once every 10 years" meant individual teams get a shot at a franchise qb once every ten years
How do you know what he meant? If that's what he meant, it would have been just as easy to word it exactly as you did. But that's not what he said, so I don't think that's what he meant.
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WTF? Do you guys even watch college football?
1) WE aren't getting the first pick
2) if we did, you 100% take Darnold, no questions asked
3) Webb has done nothing to warrant stopping Darnold from being picked
4) The player who said "once every 10 years" meant individual teams get a shot at a franchise qb once every ten years
Yup to all of this and you sign the best FA OT to protect him
I think you also draft the best OL with the first pick of the 2nd round. OT, OG or C....doesn't matter. 3rd round RB too.
I think I know what McAdoo would prefer if he is still here.
if jets coach gets 8-8 this year he is a genius, based on that roster.
yet after half of you guys expected a run, suddenly we would be happy with 8-8.
boohoohooo
6'5
Big Arm
Can scramble around in the pocket and make things happen with his feet.
6'5
Big Arm
Can scramble around in the pocket and make things happen with his feet.
I like him a lot. Not as a top 5 pick, but as a mid first-round pick. Great Eli to Tyree type play on Saturday.
Where the fuck do some people come up with this shit?
1) WE aren't getting the first pick
2) if we did, you 100% take Darnold, no questions asked
3) Webb has done nothing to warrant stopping Darnold from being picked
4) The player who said "once every 10 years" meant individual teams get a shot at a franchise qb once every ten years
Yes i said it. Here we go again. I've watched two UCLA and USC games this season so far, and yes Webb looked just as good his last year at Cal as these guys have. Drafting a QB is a crap shoot. One of these two will likely not be that good. If you list out the top 10 college QB's, probably 6 don't cut it, and we can see already the hype around some of these guys doesn't cut it (the Wyoming guy is one example).
In true BBI fashion you make it sound like any opinion differing from yours is idiotic and not valid enough for debate. My point is we have the worst OL in football, and we have a rookie QB who so far has looked the part. He still has a ways to go, however he is already a step ahead of the crap shoot of college QB's you would list. 6 out of the top 10 won't even get as far as Webb.
I like Webb so far. I would invest our top pick on the best OL player in the draft and make Webb #2 behind Manning next season. IMO, and its my opinion, that is a better way to build a team then use the #1 to draft a QB. Behind this line he'd be useless anyway, and there is no saying he'd be better than what we have in Webb. If we didn't have Webb I would agree with should take a QB, but that is not the case.
6'5
Big Arm
Can scramble around in the pocket and make things happen with his feet.
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Rudolph
6'5
Big Arm
Can scramble around in the pocket and make things happen with his feet.
I like him a lot. Not as a top 5 pick, but as a mid first-round pick. Great Eli to Tyree type play on Saturday.
Yeah, was thinking top 10 top 20 type of guy. Forgot to say not at number 1 overall.
I second that!
That's Gold Jerry, Gold!!
He's afraid of drafting OL and LB.
He's afraid of drafting OL and LB.
This is as false as your last statement that franchise QBs only come alone once every 10 years.
Reese has spent 2 #1 picks and #2 picks on OL in the past 10 years alone. He's not "afraid" to draft OL. He and his staff may be poor at choosing the right OL, but he's not afraid to pull the trigger.
As for LB, the way the Giants' defensive scheme is set up, they prioritize DL and DB. That leaves LB as an adequacy position. And they've done just fine under Spags treating it as such.
Why don't you try learning a little more about football before your next post?
But I ll play. It s always about a franchise quarterback, it s not even a debate.
He's signed thru 2019.
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WTF? Do you guys even watch college football?
1) WE aren't getting the first pick
2) if we did, you 100% take Darnold, no questions asked
3) Webb has done nothing to warrant stopping Darnold from being picked
4) The player who said "once every 10 years" meant individual teams get a shot at a franchise qb once every ten years
Yes i said it. Here we go again. I've watched two UCLA and USC games this season so far, and yes Webb looked just as good his last year at Cal as these guys have. Drafting a QB is a crap shoot. One of these two will likely not be that good. If you list out the top 10 college QB's, probably 6 don't cut it, and we can see already the hype around some of these guys doesn't cut it (the Wyoming guy is one example).
In true BBI fashion you make it sound like any opinion differing from yours is idiotic and not valid enough for debate. My point is we have the worst OL in football, and we have a rookie QB who so far has looked the part. He still has a ways to go, however he is already a step ahead of the crap shoot of college QB's you would list. 6 out of the top 10 won't even get as far as Webb.
I like Webb so far. I would invest our top pick on the best OL player in the draft and make Webb #2 behind Manning next season. IMO, and its my opinion, that is a better way to build a team then use the #1 to draft a QB. Behind this line he'd be useless anyway, and there is no saying he'd be better than what we have in Webb. If we didn't have Webb I would agree with should take a QB, but that is not the case.
Then I don't know what you're watching, cause its different from what I see. Darnold looks amazing on the field, he can scramble like rodgers and keep great vision downfield while be reading to throw with a lightning quick release at ANY time, he's athletic, and off the field, he's like Eli.
Darnolds don't come often. We saw how the gamble in 04 played out. If you get a top 4-5 pick, trade what you can to get him.
The following QBs all came along within a ten year period (2000-2009):
Tom Brady
Drew Brees
Tony Romo
Eli Manning
Phillip Rivers
Ben Roethlisberger
Aaron Rodgers
Matt Ryan
And that's not even including guys who have been very good for years, such as Carson Palmer, Alex Smith and Matthew Stafford.
Once every ten years? You sure about that? Might want to walk that one back.
You named 8 guys. There are 32 teams. Not sure if my math is right, but if only 8 guys come out every 10 years - and there's 32 teams in the league - I think that means you only get a franchise QB once every 40 years.
No?
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Huh?
The following QBs all came along within a ten year period (2000-2009):
Tom Brady
Drew Brees
Tony Romo
Eli Manning
Phillip Rivers
Ben Roethlisberger
Aaron Rodgers
Matt Ryan
And that's not even including guys who have been very good for years, such as Carson Palmer, Alex Smith and Matthew Stafford.
Once every ten years? You sure about that? Might want to walk that one back.
You named 8 guys. There are 32 teams. Not sure if my math is right, but if only 8 guys come out every 10 years - and there's 32 teams in the league - I think that means you only get a franchise QB once every 40 years.
No?
He didn't say "per team" - not sure why you would add that caveat.