Sy'56 BBI Giants-Lions Game Review Now Available

And help the defense.

Back into the playbook. We have weapons who can do some damage off if that.

Isn't just about the Pass pro. Say he's just a stop gap, or if he is only as good as Flowers. The benefit to the run game of having our most powerful offensive lineman in a position to lead block in the run game should be a drastic improvement over Hart, Pugh or Jerry at either position on the right side.

A more consistent run game will help pass pro more than any currently available OT on the market or likely trade haul and it is something we may be able to manufacture with the pieces available on the roster.

Whether that will happen is anyone's guess but I have to admit I am sick and tired of watching a team beat its head against the wall for 16 games while it waits for the off season to fix any problems. Lack of in season adjustments has been a cancer to this team going back well into the Coughlin years and I have to say I am shocked to see it not just continue but actually get worse under Macadoo.

How much worse can it be

Wheeler. Pugh. Richburgh. Fluker. Flowers
Run the ball right and ram it down the Eagles throats
Running the ball is the only way to keep Eli alive

I learn a great deal from you folks. Away from game day horrors,
you guys are pretty damned smart and insightful. I lurk to learn.
But I don't see a win until SF in November.
and the formula for the Giant stink is really simple:

Reeses pieces ==== McAdoodoo.

Yup.....that's my contribution.....back to the shadows.

In comment 13608813 bluesince56 said:

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by this organization is a disgrace. Eli gave us two Super-bowls, has given he's heart and soul to this team and John Mara doesn't step in. The stubbornness of this Head Coach is going to get Eli hurt. As a Giants fan for over sixty years I have never been so angry about this team.

Look Eli has to have his hips perpendicular to the line of scrimmage and a full step into the ball to be accurate. Parallel hips, floaters. Off balance gopher killers. His footwork is glacial. His arm strength poor. That's why he can't power the ball from any but the ideal stance.

In comment 13609051 mauiyankee said:

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In comment 13608813 bluesince56 said: Quote: by this organization is a disgrace. Eli gave us two Super-bowls, has given he's heart and soul to this team and John Mara doesn't step in. The stubbornness of this Head Coach is going to get Eli hurt. As a Giants fan for over sixty years I have never been so angry about this team. Look Eli has to have his hips perpendicular to the line of scrimmage and a full step into the ball to be accurate. Parallel hips, floaters. Off balance gopher killers. His footwork is glacial. His arm strength poor. That's why he can't power the ball from any but the ideal stance.

so much for back to the shadows, eh?

Pugh, Jones, Richburg, Fluker, Flowers, Ellison

Smith, Darkwa

playing ANY position on the line is a waste of time.

I realize we do not have the chess pieces to replace them now. But until we do, we are fatally flawed as a team

If you want to debate how we won 11 games last year with them, I am happy to do so.

But let's get real fans...

Good review but I can't understand the use of Ellison. He as signed to big money with a reputation as a tough football player and very good blocker. Why isn't he on the field more often helping Flowers by chipping and then running his route? He appears to have good hands,and runs with the ball like Donnell didn't. I'd rather the Giants rotate Shepard,Engram and Marshall more to get Ellison on the field. We need more physicality upfront and Ellison in the passing and running game.

Did the review suggest it?

This is what is needed. He is simply overmatched. An easy win for the other team.

Any idea of moving him to RT is a joke. He'll get abused here too. He can't handle it.

No player in the NFL is having this type of negative impact on a team. Nobody hurts a team more. The guy should be moved to backup G and it should happen now.

Did the review suggest it?

This is what is needed. He is simply overmatched. An easy win for the other team.

Any idea of moving him to RT is a joke. He'll get abused here too. He can't handle it.

No player in the NFL is having this type of negative impact on a team. Nobody hurts a team more. The guy should be moved to backup G and it should happen now.

Did the review suggest it?

This is what is needed. He is simply overmatched. An easy win for the other team. Guys have career years in one half vs this guy.

Any idea of moving him to RT is a joke. He'll get abused here too. He can't handle it.

No player in the NFL is having this type of negative impact on a team. Nobody hurts a team more. The guy should be moved to backup G and it should happen now.

How do you know? ESPN did a great job at halftime showing that receivers were covered. There was nobody to throw the ball to. Go back to the Dallas game. People keep saying Eli should have thrown it to Marshall in the end zone. He could have but he was going through his progressions. He went to his second read where supposedly Engram was open and by the time he looked there he got destroyed. 3 DL got to Eli. I am pretty sure they only rushed three and all three got there. Even if they rushed 4, 3 still got to him. So, to the naked eye, it is easy for people to say he should have thrown the ball to Marshall. Well, no shit. But that is only because we know the result of him looking for his second read. People want Eli to just throw to his first read. So, if that is the case then have 9 players block for him and have one receiver go out on a route. This offense is all about timing and rhythm. Eli is going through his reads but can't because of the less than 2 to 3 seconds of protection. Eli isn't perfect. He has been off on some throws but can we stop with him holding the ball too long shit? Do any of you really think Eli is going to hold the ball any longer than he has to behind this OL? People criticize him for rushing throws because he doesn't have enough time now people are criticizing him for holding it too long. It doesn't make sense.

and get something going with the running game. The sad state of the protection is teams are getting pressure rushing just 4 and shutting down the run with only the front 7. That leaves the numbers are stacked against our playmakers.

Getting a running game changes this dynamic completely.

There is a maddening stubbornness with this team once they make up their mind about players.

In comment 13609176 UberAlias said:

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There is a maddening stubbornness with this team once they make up their mind about players.

Totally agree and one of the many criticisms of Mcadoo as an offensive coach. Whats his identity aside from trying to get Eli killed? He shows little to no creativity and doesn't scheme effectively to get his playmakers the ball in space.

As Sy pointed out, Mcadoo has been in charge of a bad offense since he got here.

Changes need to be made

More Vereen- totally agree
Less or no Flowers-- we all agree on this
Move Pugh to LT and see how it goes.
Give Darkwa more carries also
Give Ellison more plays, use 2 TE's more.

I'm with you. Flowers needs to be benched. I agree with you that Flowers will have the same problems at right tackle. The last time I checked the left defensive end has the same right to rush the passer as the right defensive end. Flowers lack of ability will not improve by switching sides.