...can the Giants really do that and be successful? I'm asking this as a serious question. We're averaging 3.2 yards per attempt and this oline has proven completely incapable of opening any legitimate running lanes for our backs. It seems early in games we want to establish the run but the plans quickly get foiled by our inability to create shorter 2nd and 3rd down opportunities.
I understand the concept of trying to wear down a defense but if running more leads to more 3 and outs, wouldn't that philosophy be counter-intuitive? If we had an average oline the concept of trying to establish and stick with the run would make sense to me. I loved the Giant teams of the past that had the ability to ground and pound but I this offense seems completely incapable of sustaining any drive using that philosophy.
To me, it seems like the Giants have so few rushing attempts as a directly result of their inability to run the ball. If the run game was working, even a little, I think our coaching staff would be more inclined to stick with it. But how many times can you do the same thing with no results? As a fan, if we ran the ball for 3 straight times for 3 yds a pop on multiple drives, I know I would be quick to say the play calling is disastrous. I just don't see the opportunities that we're supposedly missing where we should be "sticking with the run." To my, admittedly, untrained eye it seems like there's nothing there!
No, not at all - yet people are so quick to do that with the run after a short gain.
Hell, Benny Mac abandons the run after a successful run play!
Also, if we run the ball more or at least try too, it will take pressure off the offensive line.
Right now we are so unbalanced to the pass, that defensive lineman are just pinning their ears back and aggressively coming after Eli. We need to up our screen game, and our draw game as well. Take advantage of the aggressiveness.
That's a bad tendency.
1. Gives the defense a rest
2. Limits the shots on Eli
3. Potentially sets up more manageable 3rd down situations
4. More manageable 3rd down situations means the secondary can't just defend against the deep stuff, which may open up some shots down the field
From a personnel perspective, I'd consider Engram and Beckham out wide. Adams inline, and Ellison at FB/H-back. This would give us one of our better blocking groups but with the versatility to attack through the air.
Not true at all ..running the football has a accumulative effect ..it wears the defense down. So even though you are having trouble running early on as long as you can stay with it (obviously the score will dictate whether or not you can) those 2 and 3 yard runs will become 5-7 yard runs
We have talented receivers and if McAdoo cannot find a way to get them the ball he has to go.
Rodgers and Brady throw the ball. Beat up OL, no good WR's, it does not matter. They throw the ball and score anyway.
This is not brain surgery Ben. Throw the damn ball.
They have to just line up in the I and just ram the RB at the defense no tricks ..cause we aint good at it. Think about this, against that defensive formation if we have 2 TE's and a FB along with Darkwa in the backfield how would that have turned out.I would say more than just a 2 yard gain
We have talented receivers and if McAdoo cannot find a way to get them the ball he has to go.
Rodgers and Brady throw the ball. Beat up OL, no good WR's, it does not matter. They throw the ball and score anyway.
This is not brain surgery Ben. Throw the damn ball.
Didn't LaGarette Blount rush for 18 TD's last season and over 1100 yards?
True, but we're getting a lot of negative plays when we pass as well -- and this week is a horrible matchup for our porous OL.
Frankly, that Lions team we just played suffers from a lot of the same flaws we do...but Jim Bob Cooter has come up with a plan of attack that makes their offense functional. That should be our model.
Perkins' runs this year:
Neg yardage: 2
No gain: 1
1 yard: 3
2 yards: 1
3 yards: 5
4 yards: 2
So on 6 out of 14 runs (43%), he's gained 1 yard or less. That's really not acceptable.
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Jerry might grade out on PFF as an ok Pass Blocker, but when Flowers is left on an island with anyone in a pass situation, or when Jerry/Hart can't pick up a stunt, does that even matter? Put in someone who can be a plus run blocker.
Flowers and Fluker *might* be pretty decent power run blockers. Let's use that strength and build off of it.
Jerry might grade out on PFF as an ok Pass Blocker, but when Flowers is left on an island with anyone in a pass situation, or when Jerry/Hart can't pick up a stunt, does that even matter? Put in someone who can be a plus run blocker.
Flowers and Fluker *might* be pretty decent power run blockers. Let's use that strength and build off of it.
We can't block stunts as is and you want to put Fluker in? I would look to use Fluker in some 'jumbo' sets to mix things up.
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I think we need establish the run by putting Fluker or Jones in at RG, Ellison at TE, and having Darkwa run behind Smith.
Jerry might grade out on PFF as an ok Pass Blocker, but when Flowers is left on an island with anyone in a pass situation, or when Jerry/Hart can't pick up a stunt, does that even matter? Put in someone who can be a plus run blocker.
Flowers and Fluker *might* be pretty decent power run blockers. Let's use that strength and build off of it.
We can't block stunts as is and you want to put Fluker in? I would look to use Fluker in some 'jumbo' sets to mix things up.
I'd rather be able to run the ball and not pick up stunts than not be able to run the ball and not pick up stunts.
Perkins' runs this year:
Neg yardage: 2
No gain: 1
1 yard: 3
2 yards: 1
3 yards: 5
4 yards: 2
So on 6 out of 14 runs (43%), he's gained 1 yard or less. That's really not acceptable. Link - ( New Window )
Think about that ..14 runs in 2 games for your "starting" RB.I go back to my original statement good running backs(we don't yet know if Perkins is good or not)get better as the game goes on ..the more carries they get the more effective they are
I don't think that's accurate. If anything, Eli audibles to running plays since we're often facing a soft box with <7 defenders.
Think about that ..14 runs in 2 games for your "starting" RB.I go back to my original statement good running backs(we don't yet know if Perkins is good or not)get better as the game goes on ..the more carries they get the more effective they are
Sure, but it's hard to run the ball more as the game progressives when you're trailing by 2+ scores. They got to start games much better and sustain some early drives.
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Think about that ..14 runs in 2 games for your "starting" RB.I go back to my original statement good running backs(we don't yet know if Perkins is good or not)get better as the game goes on ..the more carries they get the more effective they are
Sure, but it's hard to run the ball more as the game progressives when you're trailing by 2+ scores. They got to start games much better and sustain some early drives.
This. It's a chicken and egg situation. It's easy to run the ball when you have the lead but is running the reason you have the lead? Really depends on the team but teams that are winning are always going to lean more heavily on the run and teams that are losing will do the opposite.
I was at the game. Told my friend the same thing. Darkwa had 2 successful running plays. They didn't sequence a second running play. Double up on them . I know McAdoo doesn't care about running the football. He prefers the short pass. But it would not hurt to double up on runs , if the first is a successful play.
There is no sequencing in this offense. You get the occasional stand-alone play like the pass to Adams.
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I think we need establish the run by putting Fluker or Jones in at RG, Ellison at TE, and having Darkwa run behind Smith.
Jerry might grade out on PFF as an ok Pass Blocker, but when Flowers is left on an island with anyone in a pass situation, or when Jerry/Hart can't pick up a stunt, does that even matter? Put in someone who can be a plus run blocker.
Flowers and Fluker *might* be pretty decent power run blockers. Let's use that strength and build off of it.
We can't block stunts as is and you want to put Fluker in? I would look to use Fluker in some 'jumbo' sets to mix things up.
Put Fluker and Flowers together on the right side and run behind them. That is what they do well. Why not use your personnel to leverage their strength?
We need to run 8 to 12 yard patterns with a dump off. If its open throw it, if not dump, if not throw it away. Unfortunately we do not have time to go through progressions.
If we make 5 to 9 yards on first then run on second down and possibly third down.
Use draw plays on first or second downs at times. Not just third and long.
You can get enough rushing attempts with that approach. that.
We need to run 8 to 12 yard patterns with a dump off. If its open throw it, if not dump, if not throw it away. Unfortunately we do not have time to go through progressions.
If we make 5 to 9 yards on first then run on second down and possibly third down.
Use draw plays on first or second downs at times. Not just third and long.
You can get enough rushing attempts with that approach. that.
Because the alternative is working so well, right?
I don't understand the "we can't run so there's no point" rationale. We obviously can't pass, either. The pass game isn't going to get any better unless we make more of an effort to actually establish a run game.
We've run for 3-4 yards on 1st downs and then immediately put Eli back into shotgun for a pass play that often results in a sack or incompletion. Why not run the ball again on 2nd and 7 or 2nd and 6? Try to set up a 3rd and 5 or less. Those are much more manageable.
We never commit to running the ball. We run once and then bail immediately if it doesn't go anywhere - even worse, even if it does, we abandon it anyway.
We have talented receivers and if McAdoo cannot find a way to get them the ball he has to go.
Rodgers and Brady throw the ball. Beat up OL, no good WR's, it does not matter. They throw the ball and score anyway.
This is not brain surgery Ben. Throw the damn ball.
Could you know any less about the sport of football? I mean my god...
We have talented receivers and if McAdoo cannot find a way to get them the ball he has to go.
Rodgers and Brady throw the ball. Beat up OL, no good WR's, it does not matter. They throw the ball and score anyway.
This is not brain surgery Ben. Throw the damn ball.
And it wasn't like the Pats were some rushing powerhouse as they were 24th in yards per attempt. They just kept at it.