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Marshall Newhouse - Best Passblocking RT in NFL this year

jlukes : 9/20/2017 2:43 pm
Newhouse struggled here, but now plays RT on one of the best offensive lines in football.


"... Newhouse is one of just three tackles in the entire league who have blocked at least 50 pass plays without giving up a single pressure, per PFF. "



"Notes: Numbers suggest newcomer Marshall Newhouse fitting right in with Raiders"
http://www.csnbayarea.com/raiders/notes-numbers-suggest-newcomer-marshall-newhouse-fitting-right-raiders

"Raiders OL Coach Mike Tice Works His Magic with Marshall Newhouse"
https://www.blackholebanter.com/2255-2/

"Offensive Line of the Week: Raiders unit utterly dominates Jets"
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000848251/article/offensive-line-of-the-week-raiders-unit-utterly-dominates-jets

"... Newhouse is one of just three tackles in the entire league who have blocked at least 50 pass plays without giving up a single pressure, per PFF. "
So...  
Josh in the City : 9/20/2017 2:43 pm : link
does that mean it's coaching?
He wasn't good enough to play here  
PatersonPlank : 9/20/2017 2:43 pm : link
We have Flowers and Hart, the best RT in football
Tice is a great OL coach.  
robbieballs2003 : 9/20/2017 2:44 pm : link
A Long Island guy too.
RE: So...  
jlukes : 9/20/2017 2:46 pm : link
In comment 13608647 Josh in the City said:
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does that mean it's coaching?


Coaching/scheme has to be a huge part of it.
"Best RT in NFL"  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/20/2017 2:46 pm : link
Wait, I thought that was Bobby Hart?
One thing people forget about Newhouse  
NYGmen58 : 9/20/2017 2:47 pm : link
He also played guard quite well last year filling in for Pugh.

He is not a good lineman but he's better than most of what we have here.

And yes, a lot of it is coaching. Our head coach runs a broken system and our offensive line coach is hopeless, hapless, and helpless.
Could have something to do with who's next to him, as well....  
Britt in VA : 9/20/2017 2:47 pm : link
but who knows?
And lets not forget our wonderful GM  
jlukes : 9/20/2017 2:48 pm : link
gave more money to Jerry and let Newhouse walk
Nothing surprises me when it comes to this line.  
Britt in VA : 9/20/2017 2:48 pm : link
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does it count as 2 games if one is against the Jets?  
giants#1 : 9/20/2017 2:48 pm : link
how much help does he get? The OAK OL is one of the top 3-5 in the NFL right behind DAL and TEN.
RE: Could have something to do with who's next to him, as well....  
jlukes : 9/20/2017 2:49 pm : link
In comment 13608658 Britt in VA said:
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but who knows?


Is Gabe Jackson that much to write home about? Now Rodney Hudson at Center and Osemele at LG is an awesome combination - and Penn can still hold his own at LT.
RE: RE: Could have something to do with who's next to him, as well....  
Britt in VA : 9/20/2017 2:50 pm : link
In comment 13608664 jlukes said:
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but who knows?



Is Gabe Jackson that much to write home about? Now Rodney Hudson at Center and Osemele at LG is an awesome combination - and Penn can still hold his own at LT.


Just talking about as a unit.
RE: does it count as 2 games if one is against the Jets?  
jlukes : 9/20/2017 2:52 pm : link
In comment 13608661 giants#1 said:
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how much help does he get? The OAK OL is one of the top 3-5 in the NFL right behind DAL and TEN.


Say what you want about the Jets, but they do have Leonard Williams and Mo Wilkerson on their line. Granted, Newhouse wasn't going against one of them on every play, but the Jets D-line is their strength
RE: RE: RE: Could have something to do with who's next to him, as well....  
jlukes : 9/20/2017 2:53 pm : link
In comment 13608667 Britt in VA said:
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but who knows?



Is Gabe Jackson that much to write home about? Now Rodney Hudson at Center and Osemele at LG is an awesome combination - and Penn can still hold his own at LT.



Just talking about as a unit.


Oh absolutely - definitely takes some of the spotlight of him, for sure - but you could also argue that with the rest of the unit being so strong that opposing defenses would throw everything they had at Newhouse if he was really that much of a weak link
RE: RE: Could have something to do with who's next to him, as well....  
giants#1 : 9/20/2017 2:53 pm : link
In comment 13608664 jlukes said:
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but who knows?



Is Gabe Jackson that much to write home about? Now Rodney Hudson at Center and Osemele at LG is an awesome combination - and Penn can still hold his own at LT.


That still makes a huge difference as the RBs/TEs can chip to help Newhouse (not sure if that's the case or not). Here, both OTs suck and Jerry wouldn't recognize a stunt if it slapped him in the face. Also, the ability to run keeps you ahead of the sticks and minimizes 2nd/3rd and longs which is when most sacks occur.

With a 2 game sample size, competition and score also matter. Giants have been trailing both games which makes it much easier for Ds to ignore the run and get after the QB. Also constantly in 3rd and long situations.

RE: RE: does it count as 2 games if one is against the Jets?  
giants#1 : 9/20/2017 2:54 pm : link
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how much help does he get? The OAK OL is one of the top 3-5 in the NFL right behind DAL and TEN.



Say what you want about the Jets, but they do have Leonard Williams and Mo Wilkerson on their line. Granted, Newhouse wasn't going against one of them on every play, but the Jets D-line is their strength


Granted it was pre-season, but didn't the Giants OL handle those 2 pretty well too? And they also had Richardson still.
Pre-season O line play  
siena16 : 9/20/2017 2:57 pm : link
You can't evaluate pre-season O-line play. defensive lines don't stunt and blitz rarely in pre-season....Gee Whiz
Newhouse was terrible with three different organizations  
Greg from LI : 9/20/2017 2:57 pm : link
If he truly is playing that well (basing everything off PFF ratings seems less than ironclad), then that sucks for us but I find hard to single out the Giants on this one.
Its  
jtfuoco : 9/20/2017 3:01 pm : link
Still early in the season I mean there where stretches her when Newhouse played good for a few games it keeps up all season then it can only be from the coaching or scheme he didn't all of the sudden become a better player this late in his career.
PFF ratings  
Stan in LA : 9/20/2017 3:04 pm : link
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Rating or not  
jlukes : 9/20/2017 3:08 pm : link
it doesn't take a rocket scientist to tell when an offensive lineman has given up a pressure.

And he hasn't. That is as black and white as it gets.
Playing next to Osemele can't hurt  
Go Terps : 9/20/2017 3:16 pm : link


Bottom line the guy was a warm body who could block  
Bchurch : 9/20/2017 3:16 pm : link
why we would let him leave this team to begin with boogles my mind... We all knew it.. the O-line was our weakness and we did NOTHING to address it this offseason.. We should have all seen this coming.
I know it was preseason, but our offensive line  
barens : 9/20/2017 3:19 pm : link
Looked really good against the Jets to.
Osemely plays LG for the Raiders, between Penn and Hudson  
jlukes : 9/20/2017 3:20 pm : link
but yeah, Osemele is a beast and my god I wanted to break the bank for him this past offseason
RE: Newhouse was terrible with three different organizations  
chuckydee9 : 9/20/2017 3:21 pm : link
In comment 13608681 Greg from LI said:
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If he truly is playing that well (basing everything off PFF ratings seems less than ironclad), then that sucks for us but I find hard to single out the Giants on this one.


I think overall PFF is pretty accurate.. some times they are off.. but even his coach has been praising his performance.. I think it may be as simple as its only 2 games.. small sample size are not conclusive.. wait for 8-10 games and then we can judge..
RE: Osemely plays LG for the Raiders, between Penn and Hudson  
Go Terps : 9/20/2017 3:22 pm : link
In comment 13608720 jlukes said:
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but yeah, Osemele is a beast and my god I wanted to break the bank for him this past offseason


I think it still helps. The line is a unit...and having a beast like that on the line impacts the way the whole thing operates as well as how opponents play you.

But hey, we can't overpay for a guard.
RE: RE: Osemely plays LG for the Raiders, between Penn and Hudson  
jlukes : 9/20/2017 3:24 pm : link
In comment 13608727 Go Terps said:
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but yeah, Osemele is a beast and my god I wanted to break the bank for him this past offseason



I think it still helps. The line is a unit...and having a beast like that on the line impacts the way the whole thing operates as well as how opponents play you.

But hey, we can't overpay for a guard.


Of course not - I mean why pay Osemele when you can wait a year and then pay the same or maybe even more for Pugh!
Here comes the revisionist history  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/20/2017 3:29 pm : link
where people pretend Newhouse wasn't the absolute whipping boy who people were glad to see leave and actually made posts expressing concern that the team would try to keep him.
TTH..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/20/2017 3:33 pm : link
exactly.

People here wanted him gone instead of Jerry. Claimed he was absolute dogshit, now we are pining for him??

This place is a fucking cesspool after losses.
Oh, no, see everyone knew he had great potential  
Greg from LI : 9/20/2017 3:34 pm : link
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thats funny  
Boatie Warrant : 9/20/2017 3:38 pm : link
seeing as how I watched some of the Raiders game and saw Newhouse get his ass handed to him on several plays.
I wanted them both gone  
SHO'NUFF : 9/20/2017 4:23 pm : link
this does nothing to change my mind.
RE: Pre-season O line play  
BigBlueinChicago : 9/20/2017 4:35 pm : link
In comment 13608680 siena16 said:
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You can't evaluate pre-season O-line play. defensive lines don't stunt and blitz rarely in pre-season....Gee Whiz


Except against the Giants where Jerry missed recognizing a stunt (sound familiar) against the Browns last month and nearly got Eli killed.
Newhouse wasn't good. He was less than average but better  
Ivan15 : 9/20/2017 4:39 pm : link
than Flowers and Hart.

Flowers and Hart may be out of football before Newhouse is ready to retire.
There's a good chance  
JonC : 9/20/2017 4:43 pm : link
he regresses to the mean eventually, he always has in the NFL.
Newhouse has always had his moments  
gidiefor : Mod : 9/20/2017 4:50 pm : link
he can't sustain them for a full season

The majority of you led several lynch mobs against him over the past three years - including you jlukes

Please spare us the relish by which you made this post.
Who wants to make a wager that this stat is dramatically different  
Tom in NY : 9/20/2017 5:00 pm : link
come week 8?

Newhouse is a warm body NFL reserve linemen, and as the season progresses, teams will scheme to go after him.
His saving grace is Carr's mobility, and the overall strength of that line.
The good news is that if he starts every game for them...  
Milton : 9/20/2017 5:14 pm : link
That helps in terms of a compensation pick. It's not as important as salary/bonus money, but it is part of the formula. And who knows, maybe he'll get enough publicity via PFF that he winds up in the Pro Bowl, which is also part of the formula. Same goes with Hankins potentially making the Pro Bowl. Maybe when all is said and done the Giants get a 3rd round comp pick instead of the 4th round comp pick that's been predicted.
RE: So...  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/20/2017 6:34 pm : link
In comment 13608647 Josh in the City said:
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does that mean it's coaching?

It might be that he felt liberated playing for a team that didn't have a fan that whined about every draft pick every year.
It’s this shitty coaching staff  
Rflairr : 9/20/2017 7:48 pm : link
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Newhouse is garbage  
Paulie Walnuts : 9/20/2017 11:45 pm : link
lets not rewrite history

but playing next to him was more garbage
now he has a competent guy next to him, he is less garbage
give Defenses time , they'll find marshall again
RE: Newhouse was terrible with three different organizations  
Milton : 9/21/2017 5:16 am : link
In comment 13608681 Greg from LI said:
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If he truly is playing that well (basing everything off PFF ratings seems less than ironclad), then that sucks for us but I find hard to single out the Giants on this one.
How terrible could he have been with the Packers if he won a Super Bowl ring as their starting left tackle? He signed a free agent contract with the Bengals as a follow-up and I think that's when things really started trending south for him.
p.s.--For the record, I wanted the Giants to re-sign him to a "6th man" contract similar to the one he signed with the Raiders and let Jerry go in free agency. That was part of my plan for 2017 free agency which also included signing Kevin Zeitler and Jack Doyle. And in the draft I wanted Cam Robinson. Not saying this would've been a smarter path than the one the Giants chose, I'm just saying this is what my thinking was for solving the team's OL issues via free agency and the draft.
"PFF"  
micky : 9/21/2017 6:31 am : link
enough said...joke
Not sure..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/21/2017 7:35 am : link
which of the simo dupes is on this thread, but for what it is worth, here's his take:

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Steven Simoneschi <stevensimoneschi@gmail.com>
To Scott Cost Sep 20 at 10:15 PM
Every single person bitced about Newhouse? Really? Or his your argument some people did? Is your argument that some people bitched about Newhouse thuss nobody can be angry he wasn't resigned. By that logic nobody could make an argument ever. "Hitler was a monster." Fatman replies "Please people were praising Hitler. Thus hes not a monster."


Listen you dumb ass. You are the biggest moron I have ever encountered in my life and you were dead wrong about the o line. Shut your fucking mouth already. You are an ignorant straw man.


Not sure where I said "every single person bitched about Newhouse", but this is the kind of eloquent emails I get these days.
Imagine being so upset  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/21/2017 9:07 am : link
that you take your arguments to e-mail.

Hate to see it.
Fats  
gidiefor : Mod : 9/21/2017 9:14 am : link
why are you giving this guy air time?
gidie..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/21/2017 9:57 am : link
because it's quite amusing that somebody is such a fool they would email to counter an argument from a message board.

I'm not going to respond to the jackass directly, so I'll post it here for others to chime in on.

And fuck me if that's not one of the most poorly spelled and grammatized emails in history!
well - I'll also point out to you  
gidiefor : Mod : 9/21/2017 10:40 am : link
that he's having issues expressing his opinion here because we may have eliminated all his handles : )
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