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In McAdoo, is this another Spags deal? (Peter Principle)

Beezer : 9/20/2017 3:37 pm
All we heard about Ben McAdoo, when he was Giants offensive coordinator, was how great he was at Green Bay. How he'd revolutionize our offense.

Then he was promoted to head coach, and in his first year, his offense often sputtered but it could be overlooked because the defense clearly won him some ball games.

Spags was a hero in his first go-round with NYG, then he gets elevated to head coach and shits the bed. It just doesn't work, so he returns to what appeared to have been his strength, as DC. A few personnel moves and we have a very good unit.

Now McAdoo is floundering. He's head coach, but also holding on tightly to what he's likely most comfortable with: constructing and calling the offense.

Is it too much? Is he simply not being the type of manager successful head coaches need to be?

Definition: The Peter Principle is a concept in management theory formulated by educator Laurence J. Peter and published in 1969. Thus, employees only stop being promoted once they can no longer perform effectively, and "managers rise to the level of their incompetence.



Maybe too soon to tell. And sure, the O-line is the thing here, but how much culpability does McAdoo have in standing pat with this group, and rolling things over, hoping for that elusive "continuity."

Just a matter of time before it's brought up: Has McAdoo risen to his level of incompetence?
if Marshall caught that 30 yard pass  
CMicks3110 : 9/20/2017 3:40 pm : link
and then Engram grabbed that touchdown that he dropped, and the Giants won the game, would we be having this discussion?
Could be, but whoever is in the front office  
Motley Two : 9/20/2017 3:43 pm : link
with the Green Bay fetish needs to put a cheese block on their head and go sit in the frozen bleachers.
I am a big believer in the Peter principle ...  
Spider56 : 9/20/2017 3:44 pm : link
It's validity is proven everyday in corporations, government leaders and society in general ... and there are probably many other examples in coaching ... but then there's the Bellichik example. The jury is still hearing evidence with Ben Mac
If turkeys could fly ...  
Beezer : 9/20/2017 3:44 pm : link

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Maybe  
blueblood'11 : 9/20/2017 3:48 pm : link
But it still doesn't hide the fact the offensive line is a mess and they can't or won't run the bal
RE: If turkeys could fly ...  
NYBEN1963 : 9/20/2017 3:53 pm : link
In comment 13608775 Beezer said:
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As God as my witness - ( New Window )
I hate it when people don't give the head coach credit  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 9/20/2017 3:59 pm : link
when a team does well, but manage to give them all of the blame when the team fails. It annoyed me when that happened with Jim Fassel and Giants fans too.

Maybe an atrocious o-line is too much to overcome, regardless of the coach, their experience, or area of focus. Look at Seattle... it took them seven and a half quarters to score a TD because their o-line is awful too. And we know Pete Carroll is a good coach. Combine that with an aging, immobile QB and perhaps that's too much going against McAdoo right now. Or maybe McAdoo just stinks. I just think it's unfair to make any overarching statements about him at this point.

I also think you're being unfair to Spags. He took over a team that hasn't had a winning season since 2003. It's not as if the Rams were suddenly successful once they fired him.
Of course this doesnt apply to Belichick  
blueblood : 9/20/2017 4:01 pm : link
who was AWFUL in his first stint as head coach of the Browns.. but no one remembers that..

RE: if Marshall caught that 30 yard pass  
LauderdaleMatty : 9/20/2017 4:04 pm : link
In comment 13608765 CMicks3110 said:
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and then Engram grabbed that touchdown that he dropped, and the Giants won the game, would we be having this discussion?


Not for me. The run game has always been an after thought. The reason the team Won 11 games mainly on the defense last year.

He fell into a perfect situation. I hope he proves me
Wrong and turns it around but this guy's resume was paper thin as a OC hire. Mara loves him. Great. But this team looks to be 6-10 at best

RE: Of course this doesnt apply to Belichick  
Motley Two : 9/20/2017 4:07 pm : link
In comment 13608799 blueblood said:
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who was AWFUL in his first stint as head coach of the Browns.. but no one remembers that..


I remember he won HIS wild card game.
No one remembers Bellichick being awful in Cleveland  
arniefez : 9/20/2017 4:08 pm : link
because he wasn't awful. Just like Tom Coughlin wasn't great in Jacksonville even though that keeps getting repeated over and over. Belichick was a victim of circumstance/Art Modell moving the team in Cleveland.
Yeah. Let's compare Bill B who Was one of the best DCs  
LauderdaleMatty : 9/20/2017 4:14 pm : link
in football BEFORE he got hired w Mara's teachers pet. His greatest accomplishment was not to fuck up Aaron Rodgers. Ok. Totally analogous.

I hope he gets fired quick then and if he by a miracle gets another HC job you guys who love this guy can all say I told u so
This a great test for McAdoo  
WideRight : 9/20/2017 4:25 pm : link
He can't do what he wants with the talent that he has, though he has enough talent to win, because they did last year.

So he either has to change his style to suit his team, or look to change personnel to fit his plan. A good coach would adjust.

Lets see what McAdoo does.
RE: Of course this doesnt apply to Belichick  
HomerJones45 : 9/20/2017 4:31 pm : link
In comment 13608799 blueblood said:
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who was AWFUL in his first stint as head coach of the Browns.. but no one remembers that..
Biggest myth on this site. Little Bill was not awful in Cleveland. He took over a 3-13 team and went 6-10, 7-9, 7-9 11-5, made the playoffs and won a playoff game- against the Pats of all things. The following year Modell announced in November that the team was moving, the players tanked and he fired Little Bill after promising him that he could coach the team in Baltimore.

He was not "awful" in Cleveland or anywhere close to awful.
Peter Principle applies to GMs too  
Ivan15 : 9/20/2017 4:36 pm : link
Reese needs do be demoted to Chief Scout
In terms of Mr. Slickback, adversity  
That’s Gold, Jerry : 9/20/2017 5:08 pm : link
doesn't build character, it reveals it and McAdoo is certainly revealing his character.
RE: Of course this doesnt apply to Belichick  
djm : 9/20/2017 7:02 pm : link
In comment 13608799 blueblood said:
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who was AWFUL in his first stint as head coach of the Browns.. but no one remembers that..


Awful is a stretch. And the browns also had that whole moving to Baltimore thing which sort of put a damper on things. He wasn't the goat just yet but he wasn't terrible in Cleveland either.
Ivan15 nailed it.  
Red Dog : 9/20/2017 7:20 pm : link
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Someone else listened to the GM Street podcast, apparently  
Go Terps : 9/20/2017 8:01 pm : link
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RE: I hate it when people don't give the head coach credit  
LauderdaleMatty : 9/20/2017 8:58 pm : link
In comment 13608796 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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when a team does well, but manage to give them all of the blame when the team fails. It annoyed me when that happened with Jim Fassel and Giants fans too.

Maybe an atrocious o-line is too much to overcome, regardless of the coach, their experience, or area of focus. Look at Seattle... it took them seven and a half quarters to score a TD because their o-line is awful too. And we know Pete Carroll is a good coach. Combine that with an aging, immobile QB and perhaps that's too much going against McAdoo right now. Or maybe McAdoo just stinks. I just think it's unfair to make any overarching statements about him at this point.

I also think you're being unfair to Spags. He took over a team that hasn't had a winning season since 2003. It's not as if the Rams were suddenly successful once they fired him.


I hate it when people give all he credit to the head coach blindly and then absolve him totally when the team falls apart.

He has more talent and the same exact OL

Yes the OL sucks. It u can't blame Reese because his loyal followers crap
Their metrosexual panties if anyone questions anything he does

He's the simple truth McAdoo is a guy w a paper thin coaching resume. He had a great first year. Now into his 5 th year calling plays he's being out coached weekly. Last year and this year.

So. Reese can't put together a good OL. AND McAdoo is a crappy offensive coach. Both can be true
Heard a lot of chatter from  
joeinpa : 9/21/2017 8:34 am : link
People like Simms, Carson, Banks, and quite a few others, that express incredulity that the Giants keep running packages , 5 receivers, that require the tackles to play without help.
RE: RE: Of course this doesnt apply to Belichick  
x meadowlander : 9/21/2017 8:43 am : link
In comment 13608808 Motley Two said:
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In comment 13608799 blueblood said:


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who was AWFUL in his first stint as head coach of the Browns.. but no one remembers that..




I remember he won HIS wild card game.
I was about to post the very same thing - remember being so angry and jealous that the Browns landed him, only to see them suck (well, we dodged a bullet THERE!)

Could've been worse. Imagine if Belicheck coached an NFC East rival or the Jets instead. (***shudder***)
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