Banks on Giants

I wouldn't say the D has been a problem, but they also haven't been part of the solution. Even saying th at are gassed is a copout when they can't get off the field early in the game when they're fresh either. They may not be breaking, but they certainly are bending enough to negatively impact field position Nd TOP.

50% third-down conversion rate. 1 turnover . What, 2 sacks? Allowing teams to punt between the -40 to +45 which guarantees a drive start inside the 10. Complementary football is what they are preaching . Right now there is none. And who called that shit defense where Behre was spying Stafford ? That was one for the ages .

He's not wrong.

The defense was supposed to be better than this.

Good isn't good enough in 2017.

I think I’m more upset with that than the offense to be honest. I knew the offense would struggle...

it would just be nice to see the defensive ends do to opponents what opposing defensive ends have been doing to us. But then again that wasn't happening last year either.

I doubt we'll see the same level of rationalization related to "pressures" again this year, however.

which lead to manageable third down situations, which leads to trouble getting off the field.

Munson performed admirably in a pinch for a UDFA but I had a problem with him being on the field for 100% of the snaps Monday night. Detroit picked on him to good effect early on, which set the tone for the whole night. I have a hard time believing he was the 11th best defender active for us that night.

In this NFL that is great, and you would expect to win. Most teams would kill for this D. The problem we have is completely on the offense.

In comment 13609018 PatersonPlank said:

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In this NFL that is great, and you would expect to win. Most teams would kill for this D. The problem we have is completely on the offense.

The Giants aren't even in the top half of the league in points allowed per game right now.

This isn't "great" - it's average. That's not what the front office paid for. They have been better and need to be better.

In comment 13609018 PatersonPlank said:

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In this NFL that is great, and you would expect to win. Most teams would kill for this D. The problem we have is completely on the offense.

You have to take game situations into context. It's not nearly as simple as saying "they gave up 19 and 17 points". Game situations dictated that neither Dallas nor Detroit needed to have ounce of urgency. They were sitting on leads. Do you really think that either team couldn't have scored more if they needed to?

And factor in the time of possession for the opposition, 67 minutes in the first two games. If TOP was even equal (don't even think about a dominant, ball-control offense that McAdoo envisions with his dink and dunk), the D would be averaging 16 against per game. Thats good D. Not as good as last year, but good enough.

So what Banks is doing inciting a little D vs. O bs in the locker room. The team doesn't need that at all.

is underperforming.

I don't disagree that the D could be better, but I don't think they've been average. Time will tell. I think Dallas will have one of the better (top 10) offenses in the league (don't let what a nasty Denver D at home did to them fool you, they're good). Monday night, on a short week with Jenkins and Goodson popping up on the injury report late and one of them being replaced with a UDFA rookie, they did just fine.

Not great - no great performances yet - but good, if not very good.

and say they are the problem. Yes, they are not the Ravens of 2000, who basically asked the offense to get 10-13 points and they would do the rest. But, I think we are far better than most defenses.

Some issues with trying to point things out about the defense. The Giants offense, yes the offense, makes it very tough to really evaluate the defense. Why is that, you say? Well, we ahve yet to see the defense go very aggressively after QB's. In fact, I would dare say we have been playing a tad more contain like than we would normally see. The fact is the Giants offense has proven to be so bad that we really cannot take chances on defense and possibly give up a quick score. There is little doubt in my mind right now that the Giants offense cannot overcome deficits (not just counting these first two games) of 7, 10 or 14 points. Considering we can't score more than 20 going back into last year we are screwed if the opposition hits 21 and even less so far. Could teh defense be trying (coaching staff) to play a bit more safe hoping to contain and not risk giving up a big play?

At the same time, you can't blame them for being down a bit too. How much can they possible be excited for when they know their Oline is so bad right now that we can't even take a couple minutes off the clock to rest the defense. How can this Giants defense feel anything but contempt for the HC who is the architect of the offense. This could become quite ugly very quickly if things do not change.

I agree the defense can play better but can they risk being more aggressive and possibly give up a big play and score knowing we cannot match it on offense.

can't bring consistent pressure with their front 4.

our defense in my view is good for the kind of offensive power these current NFL teams have now..tight ends running <4.5 speed, etc...defensive players with closing speed

ONE three and out in two games. i believe that is last in the NFL. i can't believe anyone could watch this d and say the have been "good to very good". i will give them a pass because they had 2 starters out last week but they have been a middle of the pack d thus far. backs are regularly carrying the ball for 5 yards against this D. they have underperformed. you think banks doesn't know his shit? he's an ex LB who is still very close to the sport and the team. come on now.

he's looking like a guy whose money should have been spent on the available OL that year. He's healthy so no more excuses. And going against a guy who was as big if not bigger bust than Flowers I expect more. Ansah was by far the best DE out there Monday night

Trying to pressure Eli to either Stafford or Prescott
In both cases the primary responsibility of the defensive end is contain. Not so much when your teeing off on a statue.

on this team?

wouldnt that money have been better spent elsewhere?

Only had 122 yards passing. That's amazing considering he is a gun slinger.

years old in 3 months.. if the franchise was committed to sticking with him it's dumb for the coach to come in and expect him to become some wily scrambling qb in a wco, while saddling him with flowers and hart as his bookends. absolute shit decision by gm/coach. sure, eli has nothing in the way of escapability but with his age that should have been obvious and planned for. the giants probably have the worst two tackles in the league so that doesn't help. i am not surprised that this DL has underperformed in games with going against this OL in camp and in practice.

In comment 13609129 Fish said:

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Only had 122 yards passing. That's amazing considering he is a gun slinger.

Yes, but they were also playing ball control in the second half, if they had two he would of been throwing more.

For suggesting the defense was not playing all that well. I think some fans understanding how hapless the offense has been, just don t want to consider that the defense might not be the strength they believed it to be.

They ve been ok, where are the turnovers and sacks. One three and out, not good.

I trust Banks assessment, he might know a tad about football.

that leads to soft zones and bend but don't break mentality. Good NFL defenses in 2017 are coached to attack on every play. The Giants defense rarely attacks let alone on every play.

to 17 points despite being without their All Pro corner and starting MLB.

The defense held the Lions to even fewer yards from scrimmage than what the Giants offense had in that game.

It's a waste of fuckin breathe to be talking about the defense right now.

threw 15 passes in the game for 122 yards, got it.. he also extended 3 drives with his legs, averaging 7.7 ypc.. detroit had like 140 total yards rushing and this run d was a strength last year. so the defense did not play well. sure, they had 2 starters out.. but so far they have been a clear downgrade from last year. hopefully they improve.

at least let's make factual observations if we're going to throw dirt.

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The defense is coached to play under control arniefez : 8:31 am : link : reply that leads to soft zones and bend but don't break mentality. Good NFL defenses in 2017 are coached to attack on every play. The Giants defense rarely attacks let alone on every play.

The Giants blitzed on almost 70% of the 3rd down plays. Eli Apple had 4 CB blitzes alone.

Say the D isn't performing up to par, but don't just make shit up to say it.