I think the biggest issue here is that Ben calls Eli out specifically but yet goes out of his way to cover for Flowers.If Flowers is so mentally weak that calling him out will crush him then he shouldn't be out there period. This isn't pee wee football. This is the NFL which stands for "Not For Long" if you are thin skinned and can't take criticism.. (Channeling Jerry Glanville).
Eli has not been that good but damn man, you have to admit when your offense and your offensive line are just plain crap. BTW- where is the Brandon Marshall call coach? He dropped one big pass and barely even tried on another...
McAdoo to me is a guy who wants a different type of QB than ELi and he is being passively aggressive about showing it!
I think the biggest issue here is that Ben calls Eli out specifically but yet goes out of his way to cover for Flowers.If Flowers is so mentally weak that calling him out will crush him then he shouldn't be out there period. This isn't pee wee football. This is the NFL which stands for "Not For Long" if you are thin skinned and can't take criticism.. (Channeling Jerry Glanville).
Eli has not been that good but damn man, you have to admit when your offense and your offensive line are just plain crap. BTW- where is the Brandon Marshall call coach? He dropped one big pass and barely even tried on another...
McAdoo to me is a guy who wants a different type of QB than ELi and he is being passively aggressive about showing it!
If you can't see the difference between criticizing Eli and Flowers I don't know what to tell you. Flowers is getting flamed literally on every show and in every publication, website or message board. Coach ripping him would serve zero purpose. Coach can criticize the 2 time super bowl QB for making mistakes because the QB can take it and has 2 rings to fall back on. Trying to motivate the team, maybe it works, maybe it doesn't. But if you think they're not criticizing the line behind closed doors you are wrong.
After speculation that there might be "major" changes, I would assume we'd have heard something by now. We can look forward to the same crap this Sunday I guess. So exciting.
You just knew something had to go wrong this season. There was just too much optimism during the off-months.
After speculation that there might be "major" changes, I would assume we'd have heard something by now. We can look forward to the same crap this Sunday I guess. So exciting.
You just knew something had to go wrong this season. There was just too much optimism during the off-months.
If there are no changes this Sunday, I for one will be hard-pressed to watch. It is truly amazing that the giants season could be in such a disarray after just two games that the third is practically a must-win!
problem with McAdoo criticizing Eli is that there isn't really any need for it. It is almost like he insinuates that taking the delay of game was a turning point, where there were so many other plays to point to as issues.
Plus, it really just puts a bullseye on his decision making. Going for a TD there was a terrible idea.
As time went on and the trophies were put in the case, Tom was always going to live and die with Eli, shield Eli and many times excuse Eli, because they climbed the mountain top together.
Like McAdoo or not, you can't expect him to have the same level of patience for or attachment to Eli. It seems like a pretty natural circumstance after the coaching change.
I am more positive on Mac than most after what I thought was a terrific year 1. Obviously things spiraling quickly out of control now is concerning but remember this, as much as we all love Eli. Ben was made the head coach for one reason and one person more than any other. That was to keep Eli in the system and avoid a 3rd system in 4 years.
Besides, he's the franchise QB. The rest of the team has to know that nobody is immune from criticism when it's warranted. That's part of the job, just like Eli would never torch the OL for a bad performance. He wears the crown, he carries the weight on his shoulders, he also makes $20m a year as a trade off.
Would it be that "radical" of a change to try Chad Wheeler @ LT? Or try chipping more or try different playcalling approaches?
I don't think those things are too radical to employ in-season.
The Giants look like one of the worst teams in the entire league right now. I'm not sure it could possibly be any worse offensively - so, what's the point in trying the same shit week after week?
I wouldn't consider wheeler in the lineup a radical change
But what is the motivation there, because we think he's better or because he's just not Hart or Flowers?
The coaches chose this starting five and see them practice each week. For wheeler not to have been a factor in anything to this point gives me no reason to think he's better, and no reason to believe the people who see him every day think he's good enough.
I'm not sure the people evaluating these offensive linemen should be given the benefit of the doubt right now.
It's a putrid unit that seems to be getting worse game by game.
Is it that crazy to think Wheeler might be a little better than Flowers? Flowers was absolutely horrid on Monday night. Beyond bad. I'd be shocked if Wheeler were worse.
What we're doing now is clearly not working. It would be insanity to just keep watching this same movie unfold every single Sunday. The line isn't going to get better with the same 5 players lining up there every week. The whole "continuity" narrative they keep trying to push is garbage.
Guys like Flowers are just handed jobs. No matter how bad he plays, he keeps his job. There's nothing to earn. Not an ideal approach.
I have a hard time believing a different approach could possibly be any worse. This has to be the worst offense in football right now. If it isn't, it's close.
if thats so then why doesn't he give a player a chance to earn it? When a player is failing over and over and over again like Flowers, maybe its time to see what someone else can do (a radical thought I know)?
How much worse can Wheeler be (the answer is zero), and just maybe you find something better.
But LT is arguably the most difficult position to play, so I just think it's tough to throw a guy off the street in there and expect much different. The odds that he's able to play at a starter's level is pretty slim.
Maybe, maybe not.. but here's what we do know. The guy playing LT right now is not only NOT playing at a starter level right now, he's playing well below that.
I don't see how it could hurt to shake things up and at least see if we have a passable alternative. What we're doing right now isn't working at all. It's abysmal.
and I find it odd that so many talk about the o-line situation as if it's something that we need to be careful about making worse. Right now it's as bad as it can get and we are probably one loss on Sunday away from a knockout blow.
Obviously, we have to discuss things in a reasonable context (we're not going to ask Richburg to play tackle), but something drastic needs to be done.
Personally, I would bench Flowers on Sunday. He's not ready to perform in Philadelphia against that front. I would go with veterans on the outside.
Pugh Jones Richburg Jerry Fluker
I feel that is the best line we can field right now, and the one I would take my chances with in Philly.
And yes, it can get worse. The last time the NFL had an active ironman streak going, all it took was one bad hit to send that guy to neck/spine surgery.
I'm not really eager to see Jones in the lineup unless it's because he's outplaying Jerry. Hard worker but he has some major limitations. If Flowers can play guard that's much more ideal for beyond this season.
Sad we haven't had earth movers in the interior since Seubert and Snee.
I think we need to be careful what we wish for with him. He has not performed well at tackle throughout his NFL career, and has serious, serious mobility issues. I believe that due to sheer arrogance, we are stuck with what we have, but if I had it MY way.....
LT- Pugh (with lots and lots of help from Ellison all game)
LG- Jones
C- Richburg
RG- Fluker
RT- Flowers (even with a healthy Hart)
It could not possibly be any worse than what we are throwing out there right now....
I think we need to be careful what we wish for with him. He has not performed well at tackle throughout his NFL career, and has serious, serious mobility issues. I believe that due to sheer arrogance, we are stuck with what we have, but if I had it MY way.....
LT- Pugh (with lots and lots of help from Ellison all game)
LG- Jones
C- Richburg
RG- Fluker
RT- Flowers (even with a healthy Hart)
It could not possibly be any worse than what we are throwing out there right now....
Pugh needs very little help. A chip here or there, maybe.
I think the biggest issue here is that Ben calls Eli out specifically but yet goes out of his way to cover for Flowers.
Really? Coach calling out the veteran in public and not the 2nd year player is the biggest issue? You're not getting the coaching dynamic here. He knows Eli can take the criticism.
Flowers is feeling a ton of pressure. In fact he's feeling the brunt of it and has so since the end of last season. If Mcadoo had piled on it might have buried the player.
And, what none of us are privy to, are the conversations in private that coach has with these players. Just because it didn't come out in a press conf, doesn't mean he's not addressing it.
I'm not sure the people evaluating these offensive linemen should be given the benefit of the doubt right now.
It's a putrid unit that seems to be getting worse game by game.
Is it that crazy to think Wheeler might be a little better than Flowers? Flowers was absolutely horrid on Monday night. Beyond bad. I'd be shocked if Wheeler were worse.
What we're doing now is clearly not working. It would be insanity to just keep watching this same movie unfold every single Sunday. The line isn't going to get better with the same 5 players lining up there every week. The whole "continuity" narrative they keep trying to push is garbage.
Guys like Flowers are just handed jobs. No matter how bad he plays, he keeps his job. There's nothing to earn. Not an ideal approach.
I have a hard time believing a different approach could possibly be any worse. This has to be the worst offense in football right now. If it isn't, it's close.
to win @ PHI if Jenkins is out. Wentz is a bit of a gunslinger and it would be a nice matchup for our secondary IMO if fully healthy. We're going to need some turnovers forced and Jenkins out hurts our chances to do that.
I'm not sure the people evaluating these offensive linemen should be given the benefit of the doubt right now.
It's a putrid unit that seems to be getting worse game by game.
Is it that crazy to think Wheeler might be a little better than Flowers? Flowers was absolutely horrid on Monday night. Beyond bad. I'd be shocked if Wheeler were worse.
What we're doing now is clearly not working. It would be insanity to just keep watching this same movie unfold every single Sunday. The line isn't going to get better with the same 5 players lining up there every week. The whole "continuity" narrative they keep trying to push is garbage.
Guys like Flowers are just handed jobs. No matter how bad he plays, he keeps his job. There's nothing to earn. Not an ideal approach.
I have a hard time believing a different approach could possibly be any worse. This has to be the worst offense in football right now. If it isn't, it's close.
I think we need to be careful what we wish for with him. He has not performed well at tackle throughout his NFL career, and has serious, serious mobility issues. I believe that due to sheer arrogance, we are stuck with what we have, but if I had it MY way.....
LT- Pugh (with lots and lots of help from Ellison all game)
LG- Jones
C- Richburg
RG- Fluker
RT- Flowers (even with a healthy Hart)
It could not possibly be any worse than what we are throwing out there right now....
Not saying this is not a good lineup, but have the Giants ever practiced with this configuration? As a practical matter, has Flowers ever practiced on the right side since he has been in the NFL? Given his performance on the left side, I have ZERO confidence he can even make the switch.
Furthermore, the fact Fluker could not beat out Jerry while being paid $3.0 million this year tells me everything I need to know about him. Ugh.
I think we need to be careful what we wish for with him. He has not performed well at tackle throughout his NFL career, and has serious, serious mobility issues. I believe that due to sheer arrogance, we are stuck with what we have, but if I had it MY way.....
LT- Pugh (with lots and lots of help from Ellison all game)
LG- Jones
C- Richburg
RG- Fluker
RT- Flowers (even with a healthy Hart)
It could not possibly be any worse than what we are throwing out there right now....
Not saying this is not a good lineup, but have the Giants ever practiced with this configuration? As a practical matter, has Flowers ever practiced on the right side since he has been in the NFL? Given his performance on the left side, I have ZERO confidence he can even make the switch.
Furthermore, the fact Fluker could not beat out Jerry while being paid $3.0 million this year tells me everything I need to know about him. Ugh.
I'm not sure if they have practiced or not with that configuration, but if they have, it was probably minimally. I just cannot see how they can be arrogant/incompetent/dumb enough to continually stick the same starting 5 out there. Fluker really doesn't inspire any confidence at all, but again.....it cannot possibly be any worse. I do believe Flowers has practice experience on the right side, but it's been a while. This really is a nightmare with no right answer.
RE: There's no time during a season to radically change anything.
They are what they are. It's not a x and o issue. They don't have the talent at OL.
They had the same level of talent on the OL and less talent on the rest of the offense when they had two outstanding seasons with McAdoo as the OC. The OL sucks, but it isn't the reason the O sucks. I am thinking more and more it is McAdoo as the HC and double dipping as the playcaller.
Failure of OL was problem that plagued Giants from mid 60's to
early 80's. Some was coaching, but most was draft failure coupled with attempts at quick fixes. Tarkington played almost without an offensive line but he was the paradigm for talented qb's with great mobility.
Reese doesn't value George Young's great advice to grab big blockers when you can. Even Reese and Chris Mara should reflect on this as you can't get ball to receiver with three guys hanging on your qb's.
"Minus those few plays, I thought I played all right," Flowers said. "Those three plays were big, so it overshadows any good work I did. But other than that, I'm on to the next week."
If I am him I am not looking on the bright side. I don't care if it was one play. If I get my QB killed that is unacceptable to me. And just like ex-OL that played with Eli I would be picking up my QB and making sure it never happened again.
I think we need to be careful what we wish for with him. He has not performed well at tackle throughout his NFL career, and has serious, serious mobility issues. I believe that due to sheer arrogance, we are stuck with what we have, but if I had it MY way.....
LT- Pugh (with lots and lots of help from Ellison all game)
LG- Jones
C- Richburg
RG- Fluker
RT- Flowers (even with a healthy Hart)
It could not possibly be any worse than what we are throwing out there right now....
Not saying this is not a good lineup, but have the Giants ever practiced with this configuration? As a practical matter, has Flowers ever practiced on the right side since he has been in the NFL? Given his performance on the left side, I have ZERO confidence he can even make the switch.
Furthermore, the fact Fluker could not beat out Jerry while being paid $3.0 million this year tells me everything I need to know about him. Ugh.
I'm not sure if they have practiced or not with that configuration, but if they have, it was probably minimally. I just cannot see how they can be arrogant/incompetent/dumb enough to continually stick the same starting 5 out there. Fluker really doesn't inspire any confidence at all, but again.....it cannot possibly be any worse. I do believe Flowers has practice experience on the right side, but it's been a while. This really is a nightmare with no right answer.
I like this OL combo, especially with the idea that a commitment to the run will be made. Fluker and Flowers are very good run blockers and the right side would be a place of strength in the run game. Add Ellison to the right side with a fullback lead and lets get some 4 yards and a cloud of rubber pellets going!!
RE: RE: There's no time during a season to radically change anything.
They are what they are. It's not a x and o issue. They don't have the talent at OL.
They had the same level of talent on the OL and less talent on the rest of the offense when they had two outstanding seasons with McAdoo as the OC. The OL sucks, but it isn't the reason the O sucks. I am thinking more and more it is McAdoo as the HC and double dipping as the playcaller.
Thats not true though. Richburg has not been nearly as good this year and last year as he had been when he was drawing comparisons to Travis Frederick. The names are the same but the level of play is not.
Also, how can you separate the offense from the line? There's no playbook that works without blocking. There's no route you can run, or run scheme that will work if you can't win at the line. The offense looks bad because they don't open lanes and they don't block pressure.
has set in as fans with the way the defense turned it around
last year and they played like a championship defense .
Problem was obvious that this line could not run the ball
and we needed a #2WR and at the very least a decent TE .
Jennings was shot and Perkins showed some promise but I never
saw him as a workhorse RB just a nice change of pace guy.
So yeah we got the #2WR added a pair of TE's but did nothing
to replace Jennings and Nothing to fix the O-line so we held
our collective breaths that somehow Flowers and Hart were gonna improve and they would jell a bit more . So far those
two spots have come back to haunt us . I thought ok I guess its possible but every bone in my body said this line is
going to fail especially in the run game .
I looked at the schedule and I was trying to count some the
possible wins . I had a hard time getting to 9 so I thought
if everything goes right we could get to 10=6 enough to
win the tittle .
I said to a friend the other day watch knowing the Giants
they will go down to Philly and pull a win out because no one on God's green earth would think they could given there current woes and there history with the Eagles .
It still looks like were staring 0-3 in the face this Eagles team looks much improved .
Eli has not been that good but damn man, you have to admit when your offense and your offensive line are just plain crap. BTW- where is the Brandon Marshall call coach? He dropped one big pass and barely even tried on another...
McAdoo to me is a guy who wants a different type of QB than ELi and he is being passively aggressive about showing it!
Eli has not been that good but damn man, you have to admit when your offense and your offensive line are just plain crap. BTW- where is the Brandon Marshall call coach? He dropped one big pass and barely even tried on another...
McAdoo to me is a guy who wants a different type of QB than ELi and he is being passively aggressive about showing it!
If you can't see the difference between criticizing Eli and Flowers I don't know what to tell you. Flowers is getting flamed literally on every show and in every publication, website or message board. Coach ripping him would serve zero purpose. Coach can criticize the 2 time super bowl QB for making mistakes because the QB can take it and has 2 rings to fall back on. Trying to motivate the team, maybe it works, maybe it doesn't. But if you think they're not criticizing the line behind closed doors you are wrong.
Lombardi used to go at Paul Hourning and every Packer would accept it as no big deal. If Paul could take some criticism, then everyone could.
I don't believe Mac doesn't like Eli at all. That seems like it's bullshit.
You just knew something had to go wrong this season. There was just too much optimism during the off-months.
You just knew something had to go wrong this season. There was just too much optimism during the off-months.
If there are no changes this Sunday, I for one will be hard-pressed to watch. It is truly amazing that the giants season could be in such a disarray after just two games that the third is practically a must-win!
Plus, it really just puts a bullseye on his decision making. Going for a TD there was a terrible idea.
As time went on and the trophies were put in the case, Tom was always going to live and die with Eli, shield Eli and many times excuse Eli, because they climbed the mountain top together.
Like McAdoo or not, you can't expect him to have the same level of patience for or attachment to Eli. It seems like a pretty natural circumstance after the coaching change.
I am more positive on Mac than most after what I thought was a terrific year 1. Obviously things spiraling quickly out of control now is concerning but remember this, as much as we all love Eli. Ben was made the head coach for one reason and one person more than any other. That was to keep Eli in the system and avoid a 3rd system in 4 years.
Besides, he's the franchise QB. The rest of the team has to know that nobody is immune from criticism when it's warranted. That's part of the job, just like Eli would never torch the OL for a bad performance. He wears the crown, he carries the weight on his shoulders, he also makes $20m a year as a trade off.
Ugly.
I don't think those things are too radical to employ in-season.
The Giants look like one of the worst teams in the entire league right now. I'm not sure it could possibly be any worse offensively - so, what's the point in trying the same shit week after week?
The coaches chose this starting five and see them practice each week. For wheeler not to have been a factor in anything to this point gives me no reason to think he's better, and no reason to believe the people who see him every day think he's good enough.
It's a putrid unit that seems to be getting worse game by game.
Is it that crazy to think Wheeler might be a little better than Flowers? Flowers was absolutely horrid on Monday night. Beyond bad. I'd be shocked if Wheeler were worse.
What we're doing now is clearly not working. It would be insanity to just keep watching this same movie unfold every single Sunday. The line isn't going to get better with the same 5 players lining up there every week. The whole "continuity" narrative they keep trying to push is garbage.
Guys like Flowers are just handed jobs. No matter how bad he plays, he keeps his job. There's nothing to earn. Not an ideal approach.
I have a hard time believing a different approach could possibly be any worse. This has to be the worst offense in football right now. If it isn't, it's close.
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Lombardi used to go at Paul Hourning and every Packer would accept it as no big deal. If Paul could take some criticism, then everyone could.
I don't believe Mac doesn't like Eli at all. That seems like it's bullshit.
How much worse can Wheeler be (the answer is zero), and just maybe you find something better.
LT - Pugh
LG - Jones
C- Richburg
RG - Jerry
RT - Wheeler
Tell Fluker and Flowers to be ready to go in if someone starts stinking it up.
I don't see how it could hurt to shake things up and at least see if we have a passable alternative. What we're doing right now isn't working at all. It's abysmal.
Obviously, we have to discuss things in a reasonable context (we're not going to ask Richburg to play tackle), but something drastic needs to be done.
Personally, I would bench Flowers on Sunday. He's not ready to perform in Philadelphia against that front. I would go with veterans on the outside.
Pugh Jones Richburg Jerry Fluker
I feel that is the best line we can field right now, and the one I would take my chances with in Philly.
And yes, it can get worse. The last time the NFL had an active ironman streak going, all it took was one bad hit to send that guy to neck/spine surgery.
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Lombardi used to go at Paul Hourning and every Packer would accept it as no big deal. If Paul could take some criticism, then everyone could.
I don't believe Mac doesn't like Eli at all. That seems like it's bullshit.
That is a load of crap. Read Jerry Kramer's "Instant Replay".
Not a load of crap. Read David Marinass' book "When Pride Still Mattered"
Sad we haven't had earth movers in the interior since Seubert and Snee.
What's the harm in trying Wheeler at LT? Or Pugh? Can it really get any worse?
LT- Pugh (with lots and lots of help from Ellison all game)
LG- Jones
C- Richburg
RG- Fluker
RT- Flowers (even with a healthy Hart)
It could not possibly be any worse than what we are throwing out there right now....
LT- Pugh (with lots and lots of help from Ellison all game)
LG- Jones
C- Richburg
RG- Fluker
RT- Flowers (even with a healthy Hart)
It could not possibly be any worse than what we are throwing out there right now....
Pugh needs very little help. A chip here or there, maybe.
Really? Coach calling out the veteran in public and not the 2nd year player is the biggest issue? You're not getting the coaching dynamic here. He knows Eli can take the criticism.
Flowers is feeling a ton of pressure. In fact he's feeling the brunt of it and has so since the end of last season. If Mcadoo had piled on it might have buried the player.
And, what none of us are privy to, are the conversations in private that coach has with these players. Just because it didn't come out in a press conf, doesn't mean he's not addressing it.
Fans are out for blood.
It's a putrid unit that seems to be getting worse game by game.
Is it that crazy to think Wheeler might be a little better than Flowers? Flowers was absolutely horrid on Monday night. Beyond bad. I'd be shocked if Wheeler were worse.
What we're doing now is clearly not working. It would be insanity to just keep watching this same movie unfold every single Sunday. The line isn't going to get better with the same 5 players lining up there every week. The whole "continuity" narrative they keep trying to push is garbage.
Guys like Flowers are just handed jobs. No matter how bad he plays, he keeps his job. There's nothing to earn. Not an ideal approach.
I have a hard time believing a different approach could possibly be any worse. This has to be the worst offense in football right now. If it isn't, it's close.
Couldn't agree more.
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Lombardi used to go at Paul Hourning and every Packer would accept it as no big deal. If Paul could take some criticism, then everyone could.
I don't believe Mac doesn't like Eli at all. That seems like it's bullshit.
That is a load of crap. Read Jerry Kramer's "Instant Replay".
Not a load of crap. Read David Marinass' book "When Pride Still Mattered"
It's a putrid unit that seems to be getting worse game by game.
Is it that crazy to think Wheeler might be a little better than Flowers? Flowers was absolutely horrid on Monday night. Beyond bad. I'd be shocked if Wheeler were worse.
What we're doing now is clearly not working. It would be insanity to just keep watching this same movie unfold every single Sunday. The line isn't going to get better with the same 5 players lining up there every week. The whole "continuity" narrative they keep trying to push is garbage.
Guys like Flowers are just handed jobs. No matter how bad he plays, he keeps his job. There's nothing to earn. Not an ideal approach.
I have a hard time believing a different approach could possibly be any worse. This has to be the worst offense in football right now. If it isn't, it's close.
Good post.
beckham and engram limited
goodson and jenkins did not practice..
art made a note that beckham was jumping and landing on his bad ankle no problem, last weeek he would not land on it
LT- Pugh (with lots and lots of help from Ellison all game)
LG- Jones
C- Richburg
RG- Fluker
RT- Flowers (even with a healthy Hart)
It could not possibly be any worse than what we are throwing out there right now....
Not saying this is not a good lineup, but have the Giants ever practiced with this configuration? As a practical matter, has Flowers ever practiced on the right side since he has been in the NFL? Given his performance on the left side, I have ZERO confidence he can even make the switch.
Furthermore, the fact Fluker could not beat out Jerry while being paid $3.0 million this year tells me everything I need to know about him. Ugh.
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I think we need to be careful what we wish for with him. He has not performed well at tackle throughout his NFL career, and has serious, serious mobility issues. I believe that due to sheer arrogance, we are stuck with what we have, but if I had it MY way.....
LT- Pugh (with lots and lots of help from Ellison all game)
LG- Jones
C- Richburg
RG- Fluker
RT- Flowers (even with a healthy Hart)
It could not possibly be any worse than what we are throwing out there right now....
Not saying this is not a good lineup, but have the Giants ever practiced with this configuration? As a practical matter, has Flowers ever practiced on the right side since he has been in the NFL? Given his performance on the left side, I have ZERO confidence he can even make the switch.
Furthermore, the fact Fluker could not beat out Jerry while being paid $3.0 million this year tells me everything I need to know about him. Ugh.
I'm not sure if they have practiced or not with that configuration, but if they have, it was probably minimally. I just cannot see how they can be arrogant/incompetent/dumb enough to continually stick the same starting 5 out there. Fluker really doesn't inspire any confidence at all, but again.....it cannot possibly be any worse. I do believe Flowers has practice experience on the right side, but it's been a while. This really is a nightmare with no right answer.
Reese doesn't value George Young's great advice to grab big blockers when you can. Even Reese and Chris Mara should reflect on this as you can't get ball to receiver with three guys hanging on your qb's.
If I am him I am not looking on the bright side. I don't care if it was one play. If I get my QB killed that is unacceptable to me. And just like ex-OL that played with Eli I would be picking up my QB and making sure it never happened again.
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I think we need to be careful what we wish for with him. He has not performed well at tackle throughout his NFL career, and has serious, serious mobility issues. I believe that due to sheer arrogance, we are stuck with what we have, but if I had it MY way.....
LT- Pugh (with lots and lots of help from Ellison all game)
LG- Jones
C- Richburg
RG- Fluker
RT- Flowers (even with a healthy Hart)
It could not possibly be any worse than what we are throwing out there right now....
Not saying this is not a good lineup, but have the Giants ever practiced with this configuration? As a practical matter, has Flowers ever practiced on the right side since he has been in the NFL? Given his performance on the left side, I have ZERO confidence he can even make the switch.
Furthermore, the fact Fluker could not beat out Jerry while being paid $3.0 million this year tells me everything I need to know about him. Ugh.
I'm not sure if they have practiced or not with that configuration, but if they have, it was probably minimally. I just cannot see how they can be arrogant/incompetent/dumb enough to continually stick the same starting 5 out there. Fluker really doesn't inspire any confidence at all, but again.....it cannot possibly be any worse. I do believe Flowers has practice experience on the right side, but it's been a while. This really is a nightmare with no right answer.
I like this OL combo, especially with the idea that a commitment to the run will be made. Fluker and Flowers are very good run blockers and the right side would be a place of strength in the run game. Add Ellison to the right side with a fullback lead and lets get some 4 yards and a cloud of rubber pellets going!!
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They are what they are. It's not a x and o issue. They don't have the talent at OL.
They had the same level of talent on the OL and less talent on the rest of the offense when they had two outstanding seasons with McAdoo as the OC. The OL sucks, but it isn't the reason the O sucks. I am thinking more and more it is McAdoo as the HC and double dipping as the playcaller.
Thats not true though. Richburg has not been nearly as good this year and last year as he had been when he was drawing comparisons to Travis Frederick. The names are the same but the level of play is not.
Also, how can you separate the offense from the line? There's no playbook that works without blocking. There's no route you can run, or run scheme that will work if you can't win at the line. The offense looks bad because they don't open lanes and they don't block pressure.
last year and they played like a championship defense .
Problem was obvious that this line could not run the ball
and we needed a #2WR and at the very least a decent TE .
Jennings was shot and Perkins showed some promise but I never
saw him as a workhorse RB just a nice change of pace guy.
So yeah we got the #2WR added a pair of TE's but did nothing
to replace Jennings and Nothing to fix the O-line so we held
our collective breaths that somehow Flowers and Hart were gonna improve and they would jell a bit more . So far those
two spots have come back to haunt us . I thought ok I guess its possible but every bone in my body said this line is
going to fail especially in the run game .
I looked at the schedule and I was trying to count some the
possible wins . I had a hard time getting to 9 so I thought
if everything goes right we could get to 10=6 enough to
win the tittle .
I said to a friend the other day watch knowing the Giants
they will go down to Philly and pull a win out because no one on God's green earth would think they could given there current woes and there history with the Eagles .
It still looks like were staring 0-3 in the face this Eagles team looks much improved .