Michael Robinson lives here in Richmond, and goes in studio once a week with a local radio host. First question of the day: "What team, good or bad, has surprised you the most?" He said the Giants, and said the following things in order:
-worst offensive line in the NFL by far
-Erik Flowers worst offensive tackle in the NFL by far
-Brandon Marshall looks like he doesn't want to play
-DE's are holding meetings at Eli Manning because they're beating both tackles so badly, Eli won't make it through the season
-Paul Perkins should not be a starting RB
-says max protect won't do any good because the defense never has to bring more than 4 guys, 3 of them are getting to Eli Manning every time regardless of protection, and there's nowhere to throw the ball because all passing lanes are flooded with seven defenders constantly.
He sounded genuinely shocked that the situation could be this bad, and says he plans on showing video on NFL Network of just how bad our line is on NFL Network Sunday morning.
Not true. He is only being paid $13 MM for 2017. Don't confuse cap hit with paid salary.
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paid 20mill he has to overcome.
Not true. He is only being paid $13 MM for 2017. Don't confuse cap hit with paid salary.
What a sloppy cap hit.
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In comment 13609216 crick n NC said:
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paid 20mill he has to overcome.
Not true. He is only being paid $13 MM for 2017. Don't confuse cap hit with paid salary.
What a sloppy cap hit.
Blame Reese and Abrams for constructing the contract.
Marshall had a shitty drop, without a doubt. But receivers do drop balls. He was open a few other times (or at least looked open, for all we know maybe he wasn't in the right spot).
Agree with him on Perkins, though - he has certainly regressed.
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There has been a few posters complaining that although the line sucks, Manning should be able to overcome because he is a "20mil" qb.
Pretty sure he was being sarcastic. Eli can't possibly overcome, apparently he's playing the best ball he can behind this line. It's not possible for him to play any better.
Marshall had a shitty drop, without a doubt. But receivers do drop balls. He was open a few other times (or at least looked open, for all we know maybe he wasn't in the right spot).
Agree with him on Perkins, though - he has certainly regressed.
He said he looks disinterested.
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Maybe not, you can't tell on BBI these days.
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There has been a few posters complaining that although the line sucks, Manning should be able to overcome because he is a "20mil" qb.
My apologies.
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Maybe not, you can't tell on BBI these days.
Pretty sure he was being sarcastic. Eli can't possibly overcome, apparently he's playing the best ball he can behind this line. It's not possible for him to play any better.
It's actually impossible to play any sort of ball behind this line. If anything he's playing dodgeball.
No, it's just an administrative sidenote - he's still occupying $20M/year is what those people are saying.
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Maybe not, you can't tell on BBI these days.
Pretty sure he was being sarcastic. Eli can't possibly overcome, apparently he's playing the best ball he can behind this line. It's not possible for him to play any better.
It's actually impossible to play any sort of ball behind this line. If anything he's playing dodgeball.
I'm going to hope that the guy who won a SB behind a shitty line doesn't agree with you.
When he threw his INT this week, he wasn't playing dodgeball, he was missing a receiver. He can do better.
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it's fine. What you posted about Eli's salary is information that escapes many.
No, it's just an administrative sidenote - he's still occupying $20M/year is what those people are saying.
Gotcha, Thanks
Agreed, but this line looks far worse that that line. Things need to change pretty quickly. Also, the 2011 running game was bad but at least we still had Bradshaw.
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In 2011 and no running game. It's only week 3. We win this week and the narrative is a bit different. I'll wait to panic until after Sunday
Agreed, but this line looks far worse that that line. Things need to change pretty quickly. Also, the 2011 running game was bad but at least we still had Bradshaw.
And Jacobs. The team could get the tough yards when needed.
This line looks completely overwhelmed by minimum impact, and the QB doesn't trust it.
That didn't exist in 2011.
I'm all for not panicking, but also, what he did 6 years ago and what he may be capable of now are two different things. I don't think we can discount that.
Six year is an eternity in this league. You can still win with Eli, but in 2011 he kind of put the team on his shoulders and made people around him better with his play. It may not be fair to take what I believe is his best professional season and make that the standard expectation now that he's 36 years old.
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In 2011 and no running game. It's only week 3. We win this week and the narrative is a bit different. I'll wait to panic until after Sunday
I'm all for not panicking, but also, what he did 6 years ago and what he may be capable of now are two different things. I don't think we can discount that.
Six year is an eternity in this league. You can still win with Eli, but in 2011 he kind of put the team on his shoulders and made people around him better with his play. It may not be fair to take what I believe is his best professional season and make that the standard expectation now that he's 36 years old.
The 2011 line was a pretty good pass blocking line, we just couldn't run
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In 2011 and no running game. It's only week 3. We win this week and the narrative is a bit different. I'll wait to panic until after Sunday
I'm all for not panicking, but also, what he did 6 years ago and what he may be capable of now are two different things. I don't think we can discount that.
Six year is an eternity in this league. You can still win with Eli, but in 2011 he kind of put the team on his shoulders and made people around him better with his play. It may not be fair to take what I believe is his best professional season and make that the standard expectation now that he's 36 years old.
The 2011 line was a pretty good pass blocking line, we just couldn't run
It was fine. Better than this one, sure, but it wasn't exactly a plus.
How much was Tom Brady being paid when the Giants defense made him look ordinary in 2 SBs?
The combination of our OL and playcalling is so bad, they're making every defense look like all time greats. Hell, an ordinary Dallas D looked like the '85 Bears against us.
Do you think this line was better than the 2013 line that caused the Giants to start 0-6?
I'm usually patient/optimistic, a defender of Reese and not real quick to second guess the HC, but they better do something QUICK! or this season is toast. Enough with the status quo. Shuffle the freaking OL, make a trade, do something to shake things up. Hard to believe it could possibly get worse.
A billion dollar industry and those in charge, with a large body of work from which to draw from, determine that they was no need for a back up plan for the tackle situation on this team.
the other thing that was good was that they were able to get the tough yards.. teams knew that on 3rd and 2.. running was a real possibility and even if they went all out to stop the run Giants were capable of getting it.. More than YPC what scares defenses is can the opponent get the tough yards.. Our current Ol doesn't scare anyone.. Opponents know that as long as they force us to have long sustained drives.. our OL will screw up more often than not 3rd and 2..
2015-2017 lines cannot block on the outside nor on the inside during passing plays and can't provide any push on running plays..
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paid 20mill he has to overcome.
How much was Tom Brady being paid when the Giants defense made him look ordinary in 2 SBs?
The combination of our OL and playcalling is so bad, they're making every defense look like all time greats. Hell, an ordinary Dallas D looked like the '85 Bears against us.
This! it's not just that the line is horrible, it is, but defenses don't need to blitz, at all, and Eli has 2 seconds, max, to find an open receiver with seven or even 8 players in coverage. The Lions were getting home with little effort RUSHING 3!!! I don't care who the QB is, you can't win that way
Could he win with a good line in front of him? Absolutely.
That said, I continue to be confused by McAdoo's criticisms of Eli. What exactly did he expect him to do out there?
I'm not one to jump on the panic train, but this looks really bad, and might push Reese out the door if it doesn't turn around this year.
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Maybe not, you can't tell on BBI these days.
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There has been a few posters complaining that although the line sucks, Manning should be able to overcome because he is a "20mil" qb.
but haven't you said Eli is totally blameless here?
We all have this illusion that Eli 2017 can somehow be Eli 2011.....6 seasons of being hammered and Father Time makes that impossible....
If you have a shitty OL, yes you need a mobile qb.....Eli is not that....we know what kind of qb he is, an immobile pocket passer who can slide in the pocket but can't run for his life on every other play.....
The front office failed him by not making the OL a priority first.....we have seen Eli thread the needle when he has the time....we have seen Eli make average receivers look better than they are in the past....we had a franchise QB, and we did not protect him, or give him the option of a running game.....I have no idea of what the hell the front office was thinking in the moves they made.....
Apparently, the freakin' clock was a higher priority......
Then I come here, and a decent size contingent of posters seem to want to put Eli near the top of the issues.
It's kind of strange.
But some here can't see that, and insist that despite everything, he needs to elevate things. I just don't see how he can.
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paid 20mill he has to overcome.
Not true. He is only being paid $13 MM for 2017. Don't confuse cap hit with paid salary.
While that's accurate, the cap hit is what affects roster construction; paid salary is irrelevant. Eli represents ~12% of the overall salary cap for the Giants this season. That's one player, and it implies that he should be at least 6x more valuable than an average player just to get back to even for his cap number.
That's the important point, IMO - the OL isn't doing Eli any favors, but Eli's cap hit isn't doing the team any favors either if he needs significant roster support in order to be successful.
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Maybe not, you can't tell on BBI these days.
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There has been a few posters complaining that although the line sucks, Manning should be able to overcome because he is a "20mil" qb.
but haven't you said Eli is totally blameless here?
Nope
...has been raising the game of everyone around him.
It's always the same with the "Eli still has three or four good years left" contingent. First of all, they've said that every year for five years running now. And if you suggest that Eli's skills have eroded significantly, in large part because he's been working behind shitty o lines since 2011 (the year they won the SB with the worst running game in the NFL), and he can't make the plays he used to make, you get accused of Eli-bashing.
Incredible, given the history of this R&R FO in its inability to know and draft OL talent. (Is EF officially a bust yet? If so, one of major proportions. I was hoping he would turn it around, could turn it around, by 'Sy has been right all along, and the FO too smug and dug in to acknowledge their error.)
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disappear mentally when he's not involved early, it was talked about at length when NYG signed him. While I applaud the work he's put in to overcome personal issues, the in-game focus bug still looks to be there.
Jon, it may be more than this: either vs Jets or Pats in Exh game, a medium sideline route up the far sideline (to the right from TV viewers' perspective), Marshall clearly alligator armed a more than catchable ball (think it was Eli)--yes, there was a S coming in but not on top of him. It seemed clear to me that BM was not going to put himself in harm's way. So, that and/or playing out his last, big play day. All the right off season talk....
CHP, suspect we'll find out soon enough as there's nowhere to hide out there.