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Eli's cap numbers next year?

JFIB : 9/21/2017 8:45 am
I am not advocating getting rid of Eli next year but I am wondering what cap space gets freed up if Eli gets cut or retires after this season. I don't know if Webb is the future but let's just say he gets elevated to QB - 1 next season and Eli is off the books. What kind of numbers will be available to improve this offense? Just spit ballin here.
$22,200,000 is his 2018 cap number.  
GiantFilthy : 9/21/2017 8:46 am : link
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Highly doubt Webb is the answer  
jcn56 : 9/21/2017 8:46 am : link
and even if he were - the dropoff in QB play would require more talent to offset than the 5-10M you'd likely save by trading or cutting Eli would provide.
if Eli gets sick of the OL play and retires  
giants#1 : 9/21/2017 8:47 am : link
after this season, the Giants will have $12.4M in dead money on the books, but an additional $9.8M in cap space. If he plays 2018 and then retires, they'll have $6.2M in dead money with an additional $17M in cap space.

We'll find out on the 3rd day of the league year,  
Diver_Down : 9/21/2017 8:47 am : link
if Eli is the starting QB.
Eli's Contract - ( New Window )
Free agent OL in 2018  
giants#1 : 9/21/2017 8:50 am : link
no one really jumps out as a must have signing.
Link - ( New Window )
Right now I'd be more concerned  
Motley Two : 9/21/2017 8:51 am : link
with the numbers on his insurance policies
RE: Free agent OL in 2018  
jcn56 : 9/21/2017 8:54 am : link
In comment 13609239 giants#1 said:
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no one really jumps out as a must have signing. Link - ( New Window )


That's been the case going on a few years now, save for 1-2 guys. But given the fact that our current bunch stinks, we might have to roll the dice on someone.

Especially in light of the fact that one or both of Pugh and Richburg might not be here.
No one knows for sure  
JFIB : 9/21/2017 9:09 am : link
If Webb is the future, but I would give him a shot in his second year. There is a lot of talent and drive there. If we can provide the kid with better protection, I wouldn't be upset to try it next year.
RE: $22,200,000 is his 2018 cap number.  
BillKo : 9/21/2017 9:09 am : link
In comment 13609229 GiantFilthy said:
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That's a big number.

My guess is if Eli really has intentions of playing another 4-5 years, that will be renegotiated. It's really in his best interest I'd think.
Eli might want to renegotiate  
giants#1 : 9/21/2017 9:14 am : link
(i.e. add some guaranteed money to his deal) but I don't see the Giants FO wanting to. Eli will be 38 when the current deal expires and adding more years with additional gtd $$ just adds risk for the Giants. Only way it would make sense for them is if Eli was willing to take a significantly below market value deal (say $15M per year cap hits).
RE: if Eli gets sick of the OL play and retires  
rich in DC : 9/21/2017 9:35 am : link
In comment 13609232 giants#1 said:
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after this season, the Giants will have $12.4M in dead money on the books, but an additional $9.8M in cap space. If he plays 2018 and then retires, they'll have $6.2M in dead money with an additional $17M in cap space.


This is only partially correct. The above numbers are correct if Eli is a pre June 1 cut.

However, if the Giants were to designate Eli as a post June 1 cut, the Giants would incur $6.2M in 2018 and $6.2M in 2019 as "dead money." However, the Giants would gain $16M in cap space as of June 1.

While on the surface, that does not appear to help the Giants, it would actually be an immense help to giving OBJ an extension.

The Giants will have some decent cap space after this season- and can make more by dropping Marshall and DRC. Thus, if the Giants were to prioritize OL (more specifically, interior OL), they would have the cap space to do so.

I believe that the Giants run game issues stem almost entirely from an inability to control the middle of the line- Richburg is the real weak link there. A major upgrade at OC is probably going to be necessary.

I also suspect that Flowers is really a RG, not a LT. I don't buy that Pugh is the answer either, but if they brought him back, he would be a LG. I think Wheeler could work at LT- and if the season goes badly, just have him learn on the go this year.

The bottom line, the Giants should prioritize OC, LG (if Pugh does not return) and RT- in that order. They have the cap space to do so if they wish- but dropping Eli post June 1 is probably the only way to extend OBJ next summer if they want to do it next year.

Beckham won't have a huge cap hit in 2018  
giants#1 : 9/21/2017 9:39 am : link
For bookkeeping purposes he already counts ~$8M against the 2018 cap and any extension signed is likely to be tacked onto that, not replace it (see Hopkins, Brown deals). So they won't need a lot of extra cap space next year for Beckham.

OL improvements is another story though.
There's a chance Eli will be the Giants QB in 2018  
arniefez : 9/21/2017 9:42 am : link
if he makes it through this year without a serious injury. It's highly unlikely he'll be the Giants QB in 2019.
I hope Eli has one of those games  
Doomster : 9/21/2017 9:53 am : link
to stop this insanity....the front office failed him with the guys in front of him....think they are just going to fix it and get a qb to make us forget Eli? Yeah, right....
RE: RE: if Eli gets sick of the OL play and retires  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/21/2017 10:11 am : link
In comment 13609289 rich in DC said:
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In comment 13609232 giants#1 said:


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after this season, the Giants will have $12.4M in dead money on the books, but an additional $9.8M in cap space. If he plays 2018 and then retires, they'll have $6.2M in dead money with an additional $17M in cap space.




This is only partially correct. The above numbers are correct if Eli is a pre June 1 cut.

However, if the Giants were to designate Eli as a post June 1 cut, the Giants would incur $6.2M in 2018 and $6.2M in 2019 as "dead money." However, the Giants would gain $16M in cap space as of June 1.

While on the surface, that does not appear to help the Giants, it would actually be an immense help to giving OBJ an extension.

The Giants will have some decent cap space after this season- and can make more by dropping Marshall and DRC. Thus, if the Giants were to prioritize OL (more specifically, interior OL), they would have the cap space to do so.

I believe that the Giants run game issues stem almost entirely from an inability to control the middle of the line- Richburg is the real weak link there. A major upgrade at OC is probably going to be necessary.

I also suspect that Flowers is really a RG, not a LT. I don't buy that Pugh is the answer either, but if they brought him back, he would be a LG. I think Wheeler could work at LT- and if the season goes badly, just have him learn on the go this year.

The bottom line, the Giants should prioritize OC, LG (if Pugh does not return) and RT- in that order. They have the cap space to do so if they wish- but dropping Eli post June 1 is probably the only way to extend OBJ next summer if they want to do it next year.

How does the post-6/1 cut designation work with the $5MM roster bonus that Eli would be due on the 3rd day of the league year. I know that teams can now designate that cut in advance, but it seems like a pretty large loophole if a team can get the benefit of counting the cut as though it happened on/after June 1, while also avoiding a roster bonus that would be due prior to June 1.
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